Bennett Cut Loose By Broncos

[Objective View]

When teams start the year, every year, their goal is to win the Premiership. It's not to appear in the Finals, it's not win the Minor Premiership, it's not to win a world cup - hell it's not even to appear in the grand final. It's to win it.

I think this may be news to the Dragons board.

For them, this year has been an outstanding success.

Straight Shooter

 

[ouryears]

Th

And if you actually read my posts, I said up to 2010 he deserves the praise. But, in my opinion, to suggest he is the man to take the club from 2020 into the future is flawed thinking. I'm not saying he is a failure as a coach or has never been a good coach. I'm saying he is not the solution for us moving forward based solely on the fact he won us a premiership in 2010.

And as I've said in almost every post, to me, the minor premiership means absolutely nothing if you don't follow it up with a premiership. Seriously, if Melbourne wins on the weekend, do you think the Roosters go around saying "we don't care, we won the Minor Premiership"? Nobody remembers the Minor Premiers - they only remember the Premiers.

When teams start the year, every year, their goal is to win the Premiership. It's not to appear in the Finals, it's not win the Minor Premiership, it's not to win a world cup - hell it's not even to appear in the grand final. It's to win it. So to me, sprouting out that he won us 2 minor premierships and a world cup have no bearing on the argument.

Let me ask you this - why do you think Broncos are moving him on? Surely if he was that valuable, they'd be keeping him on?

They are moving him on because of the power he yields with the players.
Players love him, are loyal to him.
And the club hate it.
Bennett is king.

 

[True_Believer]

Th

They are moving him on because of the power he yields with the players.
Players love him, are loyal to him.
And the club hate it.
Bennett is king.

lol - this makes no sense. Wouldn't you want your players to respect and be loyal to your coach? Hell if I was a club CEO and I saw this, I'd do everything in my power to keep him.

Besides, this article suggests otherwise

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/w...s/news-story/c6ff52eb4fb394c7c2aed0828c9ff5ad

This would at least explain in part why they are wanting to move him on.

 

[BLM01]

lol - this makes no sense. Wouldn't you want your players to respect and be loyal to your coach? Hell if I was a club CEO and I saw this, I'd do everything in my power to keep him.

Besides, this article suggests otherwise

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/w...s/news-story/c6ff52eb4fb394c7c2aed0828c9ff5ad

This would at least explain in part why they are wanting to move him on.

No doubt bellamy is King ATM. Yeh the old secret ballot players poll. Cleary 2nd. Kearney Top 5. Did they poll just 3 clubs. But being 3rd aint that bad. If poll is a true reflection of what players think across the game then he has double votes than Green and 8 times? than Mary.
I am thinking maybe all this media Bennett bashing is reverse physchology and Wayne is gunna get mad, get even and win another premiership at another club. Could it be Saints,..or someone else.
If you still got respect of the young players these days from all walks of life that you coach..you are doing better than majority.

 

[True_Believer]

No doubt bellamy is King ATM. Yeh the old secret ballot players poll. Cleary 2nd. Kearney Top 5. Did they poll just 3 clubs. But being 3rd aint that bad. If poll is a true reflection of what players think across the game then he has double votes than Green and 8 times? than Mary.
I am thinking maybe all this media Bennett bashing is reverse physchology and Wayne is gunna get mad, get even and win another premiership at another club. Could it be Saints,..or someone else.
If you still got respect of the young players these days from all walks of life that you coach..you are doing better than majority.

The point is that his popularity amongst the players is dropping. As comments within the document suggest, his aura has taken a battering through a secret players poll - which is the only way to do it considering in here, it's suggested that players are 'forced' to say they like playing under Mary because they'd never openly come out and suggest otherwise. Anything other than an anonymous poll would be heavily influenced.

 

[Warabrook saint]

Get your sentiment LG, but Bennett is also 10 years older and nearing 70. He did say he wanted to keep coaching but he has lost something, with out the endless pool of TPA's, money and 1 city backing the Broncos have..I dont think he can replicate what he did 10 years ago. And I heard that JD does all the attacking coaching for him. Bennett has been around a lot of changes in the game and mostly has adjusted well..but i think now the game is starting to wear him down as he gets frailer.

He can bring JD with him

 

[ouryears]

lol - this makes no sense. Wouldn't you want your players to respect and be loyal to your coach? Hell if I was a club CEO and I saw this, I'd do everything in my power to keep him.

Besides, this article suggests otherwise

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/w...s/news-story/c6ff52eb4fb394c7c2aed0828c9ff5ad

This would at least explain in part why they are wanting to move him on.

Yes they do want players to like the coach.
However, Bennett HAS MUCH more than that.
He has players signing contracts that say they are free to leave if he isn't Coach.
He yields far far more power and influence than other coaches, he is the god of the place, not the board.

They are nothing compared to him. And they hate it with a passion.

Exactly like the ABC who are in the news for sacking people they think yield influence

They want a coach who just coaches and doesn't want too much power.

We need a powerful and assertive coach. We need Wayne. Otherwise who else shall we chase?

Griffin?....ha ha ha

 

[Dragonslayer]

Its interesting reading all these posts re: Bennett.

The underlying point is that the board of the Dragons see McGregor as as a "career" coach, and add to that the players like him (why not they get selected every week). The talk of an extension to his contract is real and although we see all the short comings of his coaching, the board looks at him through rose coloured glasses. Leading the comp for a greater part oc the season, making the finals, gettingbto the 2nd week and jusf being pipped would be their reasons for it no doubt.

Bennett, if he doesnt retire, will probably be signed up as a football director at Penrith or Souths and dont be suprised if the Titans throw their hat into the ring as well.

No matter how much you, me or the fans want change our Neanderthals on the old and new boards just wont push any button whilst they believe him a "career" coach.

 

[True_Believer]

Yes they do want players to like the coach.
However, Bennett HAS MUCH more than that.
He has players signing contracts that say they are free to leave if he isn't Coach.
He yields far far more power and influence than other coaches, he is the god of the place, not the board.

They are nothing compared to him. And they hate it with a passion.

Exactly like the ABC who are in the news for sacking people they think yield influence

They want a coach who just coaches and doesn't want too much power.

We need a powerful and assertive coach. We need Wayne. Otherwise who else shall we chase?

Griffin?....ha ha ha

I'm not sure you've thought this argument through.

 

[SEAT 1A]

This is a great opportunity to see what priorities the new management see for the club with Wayne now being available.

With the squad plus a truly great coach, some luck and money a premiership is there and who knows what coach's will be available in a few years time.

Going from previous years, I don't think the club will sign Wayne and Mary will get his wish and the club will be happy to be there and there about to keep the factions happy.

 

[ouryears]

Wow alright!!

As per usual, not looking at the bigger picture. Looking to repeat history and living in the past.

You and others go on about turning the Dragons into a super club again, but you are happy with an ageing coach to come in for 3 years? Looking for short term gratification and setting yourselves up for yet more long term pain.

Building up the Broncos since his arrival? What for? An unceremonious exit from this years finals by non other than Mary himself?

Seriously, you guys pick and choose what to criticise and to praise based purely on your agenda. And as per usual, choosing not to actually comment on any of the facts I've put in my post. Take off the rose coloured glasses.

Get real, Browns team were defensive jelly, hot and cold, not a hard man or mongrel between them.
Who do you think fixed that?
Creeping, that’s who.

 

[ouryears]

W

What's he done since? Squat. Got the Broncos to a final once in the 8 years since his last and lost.

And what does a MP mean? Absolutely nothing if you don't follow through. Just ask the Roosters. And a world cup title? Who gives a shit?

Went down by 1 point? We went down by 1 point this year as well but hell, lets bag Mary because can't coach for those pressure situations but praise Bennett for just missing out by a point? 1 or 50 points, it's still a loss.

As much as I hate the Broncos, they know when to move on. They can see that he's not the same coach he was and looking to get some fresh blood in that can take the team forward. Meanwhile Dragons supporters like you are creaming their pants over another teams discards.

He also admitted that Brownie had done the hard work, that he just had to add the icing on the cake.

And with the crap being posted on here, those 2 years of failure would be shouted down in an instant - there would be calls for his head to roll because he went out in straight sets both years. You guys place him on a pedestal that, with his form in the last 7-8 years he doesn't deserve. Up until 2010 yes, but after that it's been a steady slide.

And if it's true he's looking for a 3 year gig, you're just repeating the same cycle - and that's in the event he can turn around his current form.

As I said, I think there are better options out there. We need to look to the future and not short term gratification again.

Whats he done?
Mate ....you need to read up, your knowledge is shite.
He took Newcastle to the PRELIM FINAL.
That is god like.
We haven’t made a prelim since 2010.
He took the knights there....LMAO at you.

 

[BLM01]

The point is that his popularity amongst the players is dropping. As comments within the document suggest, his aura has taken a battering through a secret players poll - which is the only way to do it considering in here, it's suggested that players are 'forced' to say they like playing under Mary because they'd never openly come out and suggest otherwise. Anything other than an anonymous poll would be heavily influenced.

Yeh but is it dropping with the ones that matters most. The ones he is coaching most importantly. Who cares what outsiders think is where I am going. Majority of players polled dont really know him and just a perception from outside looking in. If he is losing the aurora from the dressing room..well OK time to give it away.

 

[possm]

Its interesting reading all these posts re: Bennett.

The underlying point is that the board of the Dragons see McGregor as as a "career" coach, and add to that the players like him (why not they get selected every week). The talk of an extension to his contract is real and although we see all the short comings of his coaching, the board looks at him through rose coloured glasses. Leading the comp for a greater part oc the season, making the finals, gettingbto the 2nd week and jusf being pipped would be their reasons for it no doubt.

Bennett, if he doesnt retire, will probably be signed up as a football director at Penrith or Souths and dont be suprised if the Titans throw their hat into the ring as well.

No matter how much you, me or the fans want change our Neanderthals on the old and new boards just wont push any button whilst they believe him a "career" coach.

The Board will rely on the advice and recommendations of the New CEO. Now we will see what he is made of.

 

[Warabrook saint]

Good point qld redvee , I did forget about that little transgression but a bad one . You give a person your word (?) and then change your mind does indeed leave a sour taste in ones mouth - even for years after in this case .

Not as sour as 5 years of a bloody mary

 

[David Gibson]

As much as I admire and respect Mr Bennett, let's stick with Mary. He's a good, solid coach and this year can stand him in good stead for next year. We have to get our heads in the right space. Yes, Wayne would be nice, but Paul for mine.

 

[SBD82]

As much as I admire and respect Mr Bennett, let's stick with Mary. He's a good, solid coach and this year can stand him in good stead for next year. We have to get our heads in the right space. Yes, Wayne would be nice, but Paul for mine.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Wait, who are we talking about? Wayne Bennett? That Wayne Bennett? The one who was here for three years, got us two minor premierships and the only premiership we've won in (pause to let this sink in) thirty nine years. Legend of 2010 Wayne Bennett? Hero of St George Wayne Bennett?

Yes, he built on the team that Brownie had coached. That team didn't win a premiership. No team that Brownie has coached has looked like winning a premiership, here or anywhere else. It's true, he hasn't won anything at Brisbane in his second stint but while he's been there his side has been more competitive than ours every year except for this one.

There can be sensible conversations about whether he's the right choice to replace McGregor. But he's on a pedestal at this club because he earned it.

You’re a bit unnecessarily harsh on Brown. If it weren’t for Tim Mander and Steve Clark in successive years, Saints would’ve won consecutive premierships in 2005/06.

He was extremely unlucky.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

I don't think Brisbane would hold him back. No need to sack, just release.

Straight Shooter

I’m unsure whether Brisbane has its replacement all ready to go.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

As much as I admire and respect Mr Bennett, let's stick with Mary. He's a good, solid coach and this year can stand him in good stead for next year. We have to get our heads in the right space. Yes, Wayne would be nice, but Paul for mine.

Based on what?

2018 only?

You may have overlooked the paradigm of late season fades which have characterised McGregor coached sides since 2014.

SGI could do so much better.