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Eelementary

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I'm not sure how 50 cent can be labelled a sell out if he has never actually changed....

The bloke has been a useless cookie cutter pop star his entire career. As manufactured as Mylie Cyrus.

Kings of Leon could be labelled as sell outs, changing their sound and look to be more top 40 friendly. However their new music still rocks so its a bit tough to label them as such.


I'll go with Papa Roach. The difference between Infest and whatever their next album was called was ridiculous

Not really. They always did suck.
 

Aaron_sfas

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mate IMO their old records sound like they were recorded in a tin can.


As I said the playing on DM is way more superior ....plus heavier

i hate metallica now. thats cause i generally hate metal... but they used to bring a real melodic element to their music that i couldn't help but appreciate
 

beave

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Metallica put out one of the heaviest and least radio friendly albums of the year and/or their career and there are numbskis on here still calling them sellouts.

Same goes for KOL and Chilli Peppers.
how does being succesful eqaute to selling out?
As far as I can see the chilli peppers are still playing the same style of music they always have.
KOL have gotten darker if anything...''youth'' sounds like a CCR greatest hits compo nowadays.

Green day...yep they suck now....but they didn't always . Dookie was great in its day.


F$%king ease up with the numbskis $hit, at what point was Death Magnetic ever mentioned??? Because I didn't mention an era of metallicas you assumed that I meant the latest album???? And you want to call me a numbski..............

For the record, the black album -St Anger was woeful, but the black-Load eras were the sell out eras. The songs were bland, radio freindly $hit. Death Magnetic rocks, it is good to see they can still make a hard rock/metal album after 20 years of utter tripe. Whoever said the sound quality of DM was superior to all their old stuff, disagree entirely. The clipping/compression/whatever the f#$k you want to call it on DM is painful, and to deny it means you are deaf. but the music itself is great. Each to their own I guess.........................
 
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Mong

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Apparently Load and Reload both hit number 1 pretty quickly if i remmeber correctly...sh*thouse albums and a bit of a change on sound though.

On the back of the black album their next album was always going to sell well at least initially.. I wouldn't consider the loads radio friendly, the black album didn't get much airplay that i heard asides from Sandman and to some extent The Unforgiven...

Doesn't make them sell outs, if they were then every song after that would have been a black album type song..
 
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You mean back when he was a "gansta" and got shot 52,000 times in the face for being a drug dealing piece of sh*t??


I wouldn't say him changing from that lifestyle was "selling out". More like making a smart choice. His entire (successful) career was manufactured from there.

50 didn't get shot for drug dealing. He got shot because he snitched on Drug Dealers in "Ghetto Quran"

Biggest sellout to me would probably be the Black Eyed Peas. They actually let a plastic lookin white sl*t join their group just to make them more popular.
 

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"On the back of the black album their next album was always going to sell well at least initially.. I wouldn't consider the loads radio friendly, the black album didn't get much airplay that i heard asides from Sandman and to some extent The Unforgiven...

Doesn't make them sell outs, if they were then every song after that would have been a black album type song.."

From the black album, Nothing Else Matters and Wherever I may Roam were played on the radio a fair bit.

And when Load came out "Until it sleeps" was the first single and that was absolutley flogged on the radio and so was "Hero of the Day" and "Mama Said".......... Look I dont care that they had their songs on the radio, only an a$$clown would want to deny a band popularity or $$$$ so kudos to them for their popularity at the time, but it was the actual songs themselves on the black abum and the loads the really pi$$ed me off, totally different to AJFA, MOP, RTL and K'emA. Progression is wonderful and you can hear that throughout the first 4 albums, but come on, that $hit era they were heavily influenced by Bob Rock who wanted them to be the next Bon Jovi. I don't hate the Black album anywhere near as much as the Loads, but I hate the fact that you can tell with the self titled album that is when the start of the rot with Rock started, I will admit most of the songs were written well before Rock came into the fold, though slowly but surely he got what he wanted over time.

Theres a reason songs on those early 80's albums were not played on the radio back in the day, they were long, intricate and took a listener on a musical journey. They were too intense and too long for commercial air play which likes it songs to sit at that comfortable 3:00-3:30 length. "Sandman" was a 5 minute song but the long intro and 40 odd second outro tended to make the song seem shorter than what it really was, "Nothing Else Matters" and "Unforgiven" were often cut shorter in the intros to shorten the song for the radio versions, well thats what I heard on MMM when I lived in Sydney at the time.

Metallicas songs in the earlier albums were amazing, and they did not have to change their style for the radio, they would have gained more fans and kept their old ones if they stuck to their guns instead of opting for the easy way out that Bob Rock was pushing.

Compare the songs from AJFA and MOP to the relatively less intricate songs on the black and then the Loads whose songs made one not know what the hell metallica wanted to be (rock, country, metal,- I hate the genre pigeonholing of bands, but there was just too much style hopping on the first load, I just could not get what they were trying to prove/do with it) and IMO the middle 90's/early 2k stuff from them was just tripe. I was a massive fan as a kid but they just lost their way for 20 years there. People can sit there and bag the fans that shunned their backs on metallica during this period, but you have to remember what metallica were known for and how much of a change they undertook in their music. It was just too much for most, me included, it felt like they shunned us so I suppose it was only natural a hell of a lot of fans recipricated that feeling.

I am sooooo glad they are back doing what they do best though...........hearing "This was just your life" for the first time, I had goosebumps like when I heard Blackened and Battery for the first time, I felt like a kid again.
 
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Tom Shines

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Good call with Black Eyed Peas. They were a half-decent trio before that skank came along.
Similarly with Rogue Traders I suppose. INXS as well.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Black eyed peas definately - Went completely pop once fergie came into it.
Avril Lavigne is another one - Went blonde, poppy, and even started choreographed dancing in her videos while still trying to look and act edgy. Very sad.
 

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So what were pink's political tendencies before Dear Mr President? What did she sing about prior? (i know little about her)


Just the normal Top 40 wishy-washy crap that appeals to teenage girls and people who are pissed in the club at 2am. You know the kind of thing.
 

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How can anyone seriously claim that the playing on Death Magnetic is anywhere near that of Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets, and ... And Justice For All...

Listen to Harvestor Of Sorrow, ...And Justice For All, Fight Fire With Fire, etc. and all of them have much more complex song structures that use much more technique. What is most telling is the difference in the drums. Death Magnetic drums are plain and boring, with every fill being a bloody snare roll.
 

Mong

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Just the normal Top 40 wishy-washy crap that appeals to teenage girls and people who are pissed in the club at 2am. You know the kind of thing.

It blows me away how popular she is.. I think he is up to 7 concerts here in Brisbane on her next tour..

Wish Metallica would play 7 times in a row here...
 

Brutus

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Bowie sold out around 83-87 although I don't mind the Let's Dance album.
 

carcharias

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F$%king ease up with the numbskis $hit, at what point was Death Magnetic ever mentioned??? Because I didn't mention an era of metallicas you assumed that I meant the latest album???? And you want to call me a numbski..............

For the record, the black album -St Anger was woeful, but the black-Load eras were the sell out eras. The songs were bland, radio freindly $hit. Death Magnetic rocks, it is good to see they can still make a hard rock/metal album after 20 years of utter tripe. Whoever said the sound quality of DM was superior to all their old stuff, disagree entirely. The clipping/compression/whatever the f#$k you want to call it on DM is painful, and to deny it means you are deaf. but the music itself is great. Each to their own I guess.........................

As long as there is rock n roll there will be numbskis who think that somehow they are owed something from bands they liked as children.

Your mind is playing tricks on you...DM sh*ts on the old stuff.
 

Eelementary

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Black eyed peas definately - Went completely pop once fergie came into it.
Avril Lavigne is another one - Went blonde, poppy, and even started choreographed dancing in her videos while still trying to look and act edgy. Very sad.

How can two pop "artists" (using the term very, very loosely) not be considered sellouts? Pop has to be the biggest benefactor of sellouts there is.
 

Eelementary

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As long as there is rock n roll there will be numbskis who think that somehow they are owed something from bands they liked as children.

Your mind is playing tricks on you...DM sh*ts on the old stuff.

It's controversial for people to say an artist's new stuff is better than their classic stuff.

Imagine if someone said, "I believe Michael Jackson's "Blood On The Dance Floor" was easily his best album." He'd be laughed out of his home. But if he thinks so, so be it.
 

Godz Illa

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Black Eyed Peas were a virtually underground hip-hop act before the chicken head joined, with two cracking, slept-on albums.
 

Eelementary

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Ok, fair call. I'm not a fan of theirs so I just assumed they were always fairly "overground''...If that makes sense.

Biggest sellouts I can think of are The Offspring tbh. Old stuff was classic. New stuff was...Just...Awful, commercial garbage.

Mind you, they were hardly underground even in their old days.

Oh oh oh - Rammstein. Started off doing their own thing. Then they even began to sing songs in English. Wtf?
 

fightingirish69

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two instances were selling out caused negative results

dire straits - 4 very different albums before brothers in arms, brothers in arms sold mega -loads, so they they wait 6 years before releasing another album which was more or less brothers in arms ii on every street

def leppard - a very good band from the new wave of british heavy metal, it was 4 years between pyromania and hysteria. but hysteria was very different to its predecessor, unlike adrenalize which was a carbon copy of hysteria

but the funny thing about dire straits was that mark knoplfer came out in 1991 still wearing a fluro headband :lol:

the chilli peppers did sell out in a lot of ways, but the new stuff is excellent
 

carcharias

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the chilli peppers did sell out in a lot of ways
nup
different guitarists gave them different sounds.
Slovak died so they were never gonna get that sound back.
Then Fruscantie left for a while and Navaro gave them a more rock sound...now they are back to the rap/funk stuff.
Keides can't sing so that is why they do that rap thing.IMO.
 
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