Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[Perth Red]

..don't flush money down drain

yeh becasue there's a long history of businesses growth by not reaching into new markets and attracting new customers lol

Donkey himself has been showing the growth of afl audiences and crowds in Sydney and Brisbane compared to NRL in perth and Adelaide, reap what you sow.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

As Phil Gould said: Brisbane is best place for next expansion

Nutcases like Canard and Maxipad think they know better than one of the best minds in rugby league. They cannot even string a sentence together yet they think they know more about the game than a man who has won premierships, origins and successfully turned clubs like Penrith into a juggernaut.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeh because 3 teams in SEQ just isnt enough lol.
You've spent years telling everyone why every region of Sydney shouldn't have a club, yet here you are advocating for same in Brisbane. Hypocrite or what?

Are you stupid enough to think 3 equals 9?

 

[Pippen94]

yeh becasue theres a long history of businesses growth by not reaching into new markets and attracting new customers lol

EPL does that every year without teams leaving English shores. Plenty of better ways than propping up dead loss team..

 

[Perth Red]

There's more fans in Brisbane willing to support a third team with their money than there are in Adelaide and Perth jumping on board to support their own, dickhead.

That's a big assumption, laws of diminishing return and all that, Bears would probably make the same argument for them to be back in NS lol

 

[Perth Red]

Are you stupid enough to think 3 equals 9?

same argument, why arent people who might support Brisbane3 not supporting Brisbane1or2? or Titans?
Sydney clubs make the same argument.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I wonder why?
Again youre making a great case for more investment by NRL into those cities. Or maybe you do think AFL's just more attractive to new audiences whilst NRL would fail to be so?

How did the London Broncos go at converting people from a new market into rugby league fans?

They were guranteed a spot in Super League for years to help them develop a fanbase. No one in London cared for the club.

Toronto Wolfpack is another example.

Paris St Germain were a disaster.

Add Celtic Crusaders to the list of failed expansion teams in "new markets.

But everything will be different with Adelaide and Perth?

 

[Perth Red]

EPL does that every year without teams leaving English shores. Plenty of better ways than propping up dead loss team..

No idea what you're talking about lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That's a big assumption, laws of diminishing return and all that, Bears would probably make the same argument for them to be back in NS lol

There's no evidence that "laws of diminishing return" applies to Brisbane 3. People used the same argument about Brisbane 2, FWIW. God how they were wrong!

 

[Pippen94]

No idea what you're talking about lol.

Lol, sure

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

same argument, why arent people who might support Brisbane3 not supporting Brisbane1or2? or Titans?
Sydney clubs make the same argument.

Several reasons. For example, a Seagulls fan who grew up hating the Dolphins and never cared for the Broncos is unlikely to support either team.

If Hull KR went under would you become a Hull FC fan?

 

[Perth Red]

How did the London Broncos go at converting people from a new market into rugby league fans?

They were guranteed a spot in Super League for years to help them develop a fanbase. No one in London cared for the club.

Toronto Wolfpack is another example.

Paris St Germain were a disaster.

Add Celtic Crusaders to the list of failed expansion teams in "new markets.



But everything will be different with Adelaide and Perth?

Actually when it was invested in pretty good! decent crowd growth in its Branson/Broncos days and led to some decent grassroots development in London. I remember being on Tube and seeing a massive Chariots Offiah poster, I finally thought English RL was growing up. Problem is the money wasnt there to sustain it and their nomadic existence didnt help.

Not sure why you are comparing SL troubles to NRL, the money in the two sports is chalk and cheese, as is the profile of the sport in the two hemispheres.

You seem to be suggesting no sport that wasnt born in a city, or isnt hugely popular, can ever become a success. Thats just dumb and the world is full of examples showing its not only possible but is actually good business to do so,

 

[Perth Red]

Several reasons. For example, a Seagulls fan who grew up hating the Dolphins and never cared for the Broncos is unlikely to support either team.

If Hull KR went under would you become a Hull FC fan?

Rather poke my eyes out lol,
but surely by that logic only Redcliffe fans are supporting dolphins and the same fans who wont support Dolphins wont support Easts either for same reason? Not sure you've thought this through lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Again youre making a great case for more investment by NRL into those cities.

The ARLC isn't going to invest in expansion markets. The way the ARLC is structured places the power in the hands of the NRL clubs, QRL and NSWRL. They're not going to put Perth ahead of themselves just because you want a team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yeh becasue there's a long history of businesses growth by not reaching into new markets and attracting new customers lol

Donkey himself has been showing the growth of afl audiences and crowds in Sydney and Brisbane compared to NRL in perth and Adelaide, reap what you sow.

There was already an appetite for fumbleball in Brisbane and Sydney. The QAFL and Sydney competitions existed before rugby league reached Australia. An Ipswich fumbleball team defeated Essendon in the 1890s.

Rugby league is a minority sport in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. It will take generations and lots of investment to carve out a niche. There's zero chance of the NRL clubs, QRL and NSWRL voting to put money aside for Adelaide and Perth.

 

[Perth Red]

The ARLC isn't going to invest in expansion markets. The way the ARLC is structured places the power in the hands of the NRL clubs, QRL and NSWRL. They're not going to put Perth ahead of themselves just because you want a team.

They already are by offering a grant $5mil over cap. That makes any club, including expansion ones, far more viable. The rest is in the business case and if it stacks up then great, if it doesnt then we shouldnt be going there, where ever 'there' is.
We have a pretty good idea what that looks like:
14-15,000 crowd avg, 20k plus members, $5-10mill in corporate sales and sponsors.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Rather poke my eyes out lol,
but surely by that logic only Redcliffe fans are supporting dolphins and the same fans who wont support Dolphins wont support Easts either for same reason? Not sure you've thought this through lol

It shows how much latent support there is for traditional BRL clubs. When I joined this forum in 2020 I said the BRL clubs still have a lot of supporters. I was told there's only a few hundred of them left. Turned out there's at least 30k Redcliffe Dolphins fans.

Just as thought, you're a hypocrite who goes by the formula, "Do as I say, not as I do".

 

[Perth Red]

There was already an appetite for fumbleball in Brisbane and Sydney. The QAFL and Sydney competitions existed before rugby league reached Australia. An Ipswich fumbleball team defeated Essendon in the 1890s.

Rugby league is a minority sport in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. It will take generations and lots of investment to carve out a niche. There's zero chance of the NRL clubs, QRL and NSWRL voting to put money aside for Adelaide and Perth.

and RL has existed in WA for 75 years and just drew a 43k crowd. Its not like we are talking about a city that has no history and no fanbase is it?

 

[Perth Red]

It shows how much latent support there is for traditional BRL clubs. When I joined this forum in 2020 I said the BRL clubs still have a lot of supporters. I was told there's only a few hundred of them left. Turned out there's at least 30k Redcliffe Dolphins fans.

That didnt answer my question. if a seagulls fan wont support Dolphins because of traditional rivalry why would they support Easts? You are basically using the same argument that ended us up with 9 clubs in Sydney and has NS claiming there readmission would bring 200k fans back to NRL!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They already are by offering a grant $5mil over cap. That makes any club, including expansion ones, far more viable. The rest is in the business case and if it stacks up then great, if it doesnt then we shouldnt be going there, where ever 'there' is.
We have a pretty good idea what that looks like:
14-15,000 crowd avg, 20k plus members, $5-10mill in corporate sales and sponsors.

FFS.

You've been on this forum whinging for years that Melbourne doesn't produce juniors because the ARLC doesn't invest in the VRL.

Now you're arguing the only requirement is the club grant.

What makes you think Adelaide and Perth will churn out a long list of local juniors from nothing more than the annual club grant?

It will cost significantly more to entice children from Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth to play rugby league.