Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[Colk]

It's the classic rhetorical device of the enemy being weak and strong at the same time, used by ideologues, zealots, despots, and dictators going back millennia.

Very true.

 

[Perth Red]

How many juniors are needed?

Melbourne has 5k. Perth has 4k.

How does the ARLC convince dyed in the wool fumbleball fans to play rugby league?

Well looking at current clubs ideally around 5-6k male jnrs.
Those numbers are made up of jnrs, snrs and womens in WA and Vic.
After that it is quality of coaching and pathways. Investing in improving jnr coaching skills would be a big help in these emerging states.

How? More development officers, more promotion, supporting more schools programs, getting the game on main channel of fta, promotion of game, getting game in local media regularly, Chairman not calling expansion states a waste of money, working with state govt for improved funding and facilities, increased spending on the league stars program and so it goes on......

There's 1million U15's in Victoria. Only around 60k of them play AFL. So its not about converting AFl fans to RL. Its finding the kids that prefer a tougher game, or are too big to play AFL effectively.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Player development shouldn't be the responsibility of the NRL sides anyway, and the fact that the sport is still married to such archaic practices is one of the major reasons holding it bad.

I would suggest that the civil war and fallout is what held us back for a couple of decades there. But the game is in amazing health at the moment.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

He did say it was a fair complaint.

It requires long term investment to do these things and the Storm haven’t concentrated on it (for right or wrong)

Seeing Victorian born and bred players play in the NRL is literally a good thing and with the pathways they now have set up more should come through.

Su’A Faalogo should be an absolute star and he is from Victoria. This is a positive don’t you think?

I've heard all of the arguments for investing in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

They're all based on bullshit.

"If we take money away from NSW and Queensland and hand it to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth to prop up teams they don't want then we'll see a massive growth in players from these markets."​

It's a dumb argument because it assumes kids will queue up to play rugby league.

Melbourne have had a team to support for 25 years. It's been more successful on the field than anyone else. The Storm have consumed more money than any club bar Brisbane to fund its success.

What has it produced?

Victoria has 5k juniors and produced 5 NRL players over 25 years.

To put that into perspective, Queensland has produced over 100 AwFuL players.

Does Melbourne have any junior clubs within its inner suburbs?

Most of Victoria's juniors would be descended from Queenslanders, New South Welshmen and Polynesians.

Have any of the five NRL players Victoria has produced come from households that love fumbleball?

Here's the other fact that you, Perth Dread and The Great Dope continue to ignore.

Where's the money for this investment going to come from?

Fumbleball has invested significantly more money in Queensland and NSW than the ARLC has because they've got more revenue.

If we cannot match them on our home turf, what makes you think we can out spend them on their turf?

 

[Perth Red]

I've heard all of the arguments for investing in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

They're all based on bullshit.

"If we take money away from NSW and Queensland and hand it to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth to prop up teams they don't want then we'll see a massive growth in players from these markets."​

It's a dumb argument because it assumes kids will queue up to play rugby league.

Melbourne have had a team to support for 25 years. It's been more successful on the field than anyone else. The Storm have consumed more money than any club bar Brisbane to fund its success.

What has it produced?

Victoria has 5k juniors and produced 5 NRL players over 25 years.

To put that into perspective, Queensland has produced over 100 AwFuL players.

Does Melbourne have any junior clubs within its inner suburbs?

Most of Victoria's juniors would be descended from Queenslanders, New South Welshmen and Polynesians.

Have any of the five NRL players Victoria has produced come from households that love fumbleball?

Here's the other fact that you, Perth Dread and The Great Dope continue to ignore.

Where's the money for this investment going to come from?

Fumbleball has invested significantly more money in Queensland and NSW than the ARLC has because they've got more revenue.

If we cannot match them on our home turf, what makes you think we can out spend them on their turf?

Nice rant

 

[Canard]

I've heard all of the arguments for investing in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

They're all based on bullshit.

"If we take money away from NSW and Queensland and hand it to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth to prop up teams they don't want then we'll see a massive growth in players from these markets."​

It's a dumb argument because it assumes kids will queue up to play rugby league.

Melbourne have had a team to support for 25 years. It's been more successful on the field than anyone else. The Storm have consumed more money than any club bar Brisbane to fund its success.

What has it produced?

Victoria has 5k juniors and produced 5 NRL players over 25 years.

To put that into perspective, Queensland has produced over 100 AwFuL players.

Does Melbourne have any junior clubs within its inner suburbs?

Most of Victoria's juniors would be descended from Queenslanders, New South Welshmen and Polynesians.

Have any of the five NRL players Victoria has produced come from households that love fumbleball?

Here's the other fact that you, Perth Dread and The Great Dope continue to ignore.

Where's the money for this investment going to come from?

Fumbleball has invested significantly more money in Queensland and NSW than the ARLC has because they've got more revenue.

If we cannot match them on our home turf, what makes you think we can out spend them on their turf?

There is currently 16 players with Victorian lower grade backgrounds playing in the NRL and SL.

Rugby league in Victoria - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This is a classic example of what's called a non sequitur fallacy.

BTW, clubs have received a grant for generations, and the Storm have spent about as much on juniors as any of the other NRL sides on average, it's just that almost all of that spending went outside of Victoria until about 7-8 years ago.

This is a classic example of a know-it-all changing the subject when presented with questions he cannot answer.

How many Victorian juniors have progressed to the NRL over the last 7-8 years?

How do you propose the sport grows the numbers of juniors outside of NSW and QLD if it refuses to expand to or invest in those markets at all?

You criticise them for not having enough juniors or supporters, but you are also the one standing in the way of them getting the means to grow their junior and support bases. You can't have it both ways.

Where's the money for this investment going to come from?

AwFuL has a significantly larger sum of money up its sleeve to invest in junior football.

Here's an answer I got using the new Bing, the world’s first AI-powered answer engine. Click to see the full answer and try it yourself. https://sl.bing.net/h0xj0hG7PJA

The **Australian Football League (AFL)** has made significant investments in junior clubs across Queensland to support community growth and enhance facilities. Let's delve into the details:

1. **$8 Million Partnership**:

• - In collaboration with the **Queensland Government**, the AFL established an **$8 million partnership** to bolster community AFL facilities in the state. This initiative aims to upgrade infrastructure, particularly benefiting grass-roots clubs like the **Coorparoo AFC**. The funding is part of the legacy from hosting the historic **2020 AFL Grand Final** at the Gabba in Queensland. The AFL matched the Queensland Government’s **Grand Final Infrastructure Legacy** funding dollar for dollar, creating a pipeline of support for community clubs¹.
• - The investment focuses on areas such as female-friendly changerooms, new ovals, upgrades to existing fields, and improved lighting. With a **48% increase in female participation** since 2014, ensuring inclusive facilities is crucial. Good facilities play a pivotal role in attracting and retaining players, especially as AFL pathways now extend from Auskick to the elite game¹.

2. **Additional Community Football Investment**:

• - Beyond the specific partnership, the AFL has committed to community football by enshrining an increased minimum level of annual funding. In **2023**, there will be an immediate injection of **$17 million** into grassroots football, representing a substantial boost from the previous year's investment. This commitment underscores the AFL's dedication to supporting local clubs and nurturing the game at the community level²³.

In summary, the AFL's investments in junior clubs aim to create better facilities, promote inclusivity, and foster the growth of Australian Rules Football in Queensland.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 19/12/2023
(1) $8m partnership kicks goals for community AFL in Queensland - AFL.com.au. https://www.afl.com.au/news/555326/8-million-partnership-kicks-goals-for-community-aflin-queensland.
(2) AFL launches webinar series to help community footy clubs. https://www.aflq.com.au/afl-launches-webinar-series-to-help-community-footy-clubs/.
(3) AFL announces major increase in community football investment. https://www.afl.com.au/news/831625/afl-announces-major-increase-in-community-football-investment.
(4) Junior & Youth | AFL Queensland. https://www.aflq.com.au/category/junior-youth/.​

Compare that with what I got for rugby league in Queensland:

Here's an answer I got using the new Bing, the world’s first AI-powered answer engine. Click to see the full answer and try it yourself. https://sl.bing.net/dcuAnVTMENw

The **Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC)** has been actively involved in fostering the growth of rugby league in Queensland. Let's explore their recent initiatives:

1. **QRL Strategic Framework 2023-2027**:

• - The **Queensland Rugby League (QRL)** recently unveiled its new **Strategic Framework** aimed at future growth and accessibility over the next five years. This framework prioritizes community impact, innovation, accessibility, and pathways and participation.
• - Notably, QRL participation has seen a **4.75% year-on-year increase** in 2022, reaching a total of **64,566 players**, the highest in a decade. Additionally, the QRL extended its commitment to the **RISE Rugby League development program**, benefiting **2066 participants** across specialized player development programs throughout the state¹.

2. **Dolphins Game Development**:

• - The **Dolphins**, a prominent rugby league club, focus on developing volunteers in junior rugby league clubs. Their coach education programs contribute to skilled coaching, leading to greater participation and enjoyment for players².

3. **ARLC's Commitment**:

• - As the custodian of rugby league, the ARLC aims to ensure people of all ages and abilities enjoy playing the game. While specific financial figures for junior clubs in Queensland are not mentioned here, the ARLC's commitment remains strong.
• - With approximately **65,000 rugby league players** across the state participating in **370 clubs** within **447 active competitions**, the ARLC recognizes the need for continued investment to compete effectively against other codes, both male and female¹.

In summary, the ARLC's dedication to community impact, player development, and inclusivity underscores its vital role in shaping rugby league from grassroots to elite levels in Queensland.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 19/12/2023
(1) Focus on people and growth with launch of QRL Strategic Framework 2023 .... https://www.qrl.com.au/news/2022/12...with-launch-of-strategic-framework-2023-2027/.
(2) Development | Dolphins. https://www.dolphinsnrl.com.au/development/.
(3) Junior Rugby League Laws. https://www.playrugbyleague.com/media/4109/national_8-12_booklet.pdf.​

Notice how the Dolphins are doing much of the work?

Brisbane Tigers are needed to do the same in southern Brisbane. There's no way the News Ltd Broncos will ever invest in junior rugby league. News Ltd is too busy investing in fumbleball. Rupert Murdoch told us this at an AwFuL press conference.

 

[Canard]

This is a classic example of a know-it-all changing the subject when presented with questions he cannot answer.

How many Victorian juniors have progressed to the NRL over the last 7-8 years?



Where's the money for this investment going to come from?

AwFuL has a significantly larger sum of money up its sleeve to invest in junior football.

Here's an answer I got using the new Bing, the world’s first AI-powered answer engine. Click to see the full answer and try it yourself. https://sl.bing.net/h0xj0hG7PJA​

​

The **Australian Football League (AFL)** has made significant investments in junior clubs across Queensland to support community growth and enhance facilities. Let's delve into the details:​

​

1. **$8 Million Partnership**:​

• - In collaboration with the **Queensland Government**, the AFL established an **$8 million partnership** to bolster community AFL facilities in the state. This initiative aims to upgrade infrastructure, particularly benefiting grass-roots clubs like the **Coorparoo AFC**. The funding is part of the legacy from hosting the historic **2020 AFL Grand Final** at the Gabba in Queensland. The AFL matched the Queensland Government’s **Grand Final Infrastructure Legacy** funding dollar for dollar, creating a pipeline of support for community clubs¹.
• - The investment focuses on areas such as female-friendly changerooms, new ovals, upgrades to existing fields, and improved lighting. With a **48% increase in female participation** since 2014, ensuring inclusive facilities is crucial. Good facilities play a pivotal role in attracting and retaining players, especially as AFL pathways now extend from Auskick to the elite game¹.

​

2. **Additional Community Football Investment**:​

• - Beyond the specific partnership, the AFL has committed to community football by enshrining an increased minimum level of annual funding. In **2023**, there will be an immediate injection of **$17 million** into grassroots football, representing a substantial boost from the previous year's investment. This commitment underscores the AFL's dedication to supporting local clubs and nurturing the game at the community level²³.

​

In summary, the AFL's investments in junior clubs aim to create better facilities, promote inclusivity, and foster the growth of Australian Rules Football in Queensland. ​

​

Source: Conversation with Bing, 19/12/2023​

(1) $8m partnership kicks goals for community AFL in Queensland - AFL.com.au. https://www.afl.com.au/news/555326/8-million-partnership-kicks-goals-for-community-aflin-queensland.​

(2) AFL launches webinar series to help community footy clubs. https://www.aflq.com.au/afl-launches-webinar-series-to-help-community-footy-clubs/.​

(3) AFL announces major increase in community football investment. https://www.afl.com.au/news/831625/afl-announces-major-increase-in-community-football-investment.​

(4) Junior & Youth | AFL Queensland. https://www.aflq.com.au/category/junior-youth/.​

Compare that with what I got for rugby league in Queensland:

Here's an answer I got using the new Bing, the world’s first AI-powered answer engine. Click to see the full answer and try it yourself. https://sl.bing.net/dcuAnVTMENw​

​

The **Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC)** has been actively involved in fostering the growth of rugby league in Queensland. Let's explore their recent initiatives:​

​

1. **QRL Strategic Framework 2023-2027**:​

• - The **Queensland Rugby League (QRL)** recently unveiled its new **Strategic Framework** aimed at future growth and accessibility over the next five years. This framework prioritizes community impact, innovation, accessibility, and pathways and participation.
• - Notably, QRL participation has seen a **4.75% year-on-year increase** in 2022, reaching a total of **64,566 players**, the highest in a decade. Additionally, the QRL extended its commitment to the **RISE Rugby League development program**, benefiting **2066 participants** across specialized player development programs throughout the state¹.

​

2. **Dolphins Game Development**:​

• - The **Dolphins**, a prominent rugby league club, focus on developing volunteers in junior rugby league clubs. Their coach education programs contribute to skilled coaching, leading to greater participation and enjoyment for players².

​

3. **ARLC's Commitment**:​

• - As the custodian of rugby league, the ARLC aims to ensure people of all ages and abilities enjoy playing the game. While specific financial figures for junior clubs in Queensland are not mentioned here, the ARLC's commitment remains strong.
• - With approximately **65,000 rugby league players** across the state participating in **370 clubs** within **447 active competitions**, the ARLC recognizes the need for continued investment to compete effectively against other codes, both male and female¹.

​

In summary, the ARLC's dedication to community impact, player development, and inclusivity underscores its vital role in shaping rugby league from grassroots to elite levels in Queensland. ​

​

Source: Conversation with Bing, 19/12/2023​

(1) Focus on people and growth with launch of QRL Strategic Framework 2023 .... https://www.qrl.com.au/news/2022/12...with-launch-of-strategic-framework-2023-2027/.​

(2) Development | Dolphins. https://www.dolphinsnrl.com.au/development/.​

(3) Junior Rugby League Laws. https://www.playrugbyleague.com/media/4109/national_8-12_booklet.pdf.​

Notice how the Dolphins are doing much of the work?

Brisbane Tigers are needed to do the same in southern Brisbane. There's no way the News Ltd Broncos will ever invest in junior rugby league. News Ltd is too busy investing in fumbleball. Rupert Murdoch told us this at an AwFuL press conference.

Cut spending on Vegas trips

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well looking at current clubs ideally around 5-6k male jnrs.
Those numbers are made up of jnrs, snrs and womens in WA and Vic.

How do you propose the game gets more boys to play rugby league in cities that don't give a f**k about the game?

After that it is quality of coaching and pathways. Investing in improving jnr coaching skills would be a big help in these emerging states.

Dolphins are doing this right now.

Why don't you phone up the Melbourne Storm and tell them to do the same in Victoria?

You're good at telling everyone what to do.

How? More development officers, more promotion, supporting more schools programs, getting the game on main channel of fta, promotion of game, getting game in local media regularly, Chairman not calling expansion states a waste of money, working with state govt for improved funding and facilities, increased spending on the league stars program and so it goes on......

You're quite dumb if you think it's a matter of getting the game broadcast on the main channel.

AwFuL is broadcast into Brisbane and Sydney on 7mate.

It hasn't hurt their junior numbers, has it?

Haven't you spent the last 12-24 months telling us AwFuL have hundreds of millions of extra revenue to spend?

How do you propose the ARLC match AwFuL's investment when it doesn't have the money?

Don't weasel your way out by saying the money is already there -- I've seen you do this before. You've argued in the media forum that fumbleball has a significantly higher revenue stream that they can use to fund four expansion clubs in the northern states. You've also said the only way our game can overcome this gap is by putting unwanted teams in Adelaide and Perth.

Now you're telling us there's no gap and we can afford to do what fumbleball does in Brisbane and Sydney?

There's 1million U15's in Victoria. Only around 60k of them play AFL. So its not about converting AFl fans to RL. Its finding the kids that prefer a tougher game, or are too big to play AFL effectively.

They've had 25 years to do that. Failed miserably.

 

[Perth Red]

How do you propose the game gets more boys to play rugby league in cities that don't give a f**k about the game?



Dolphins are doing this right now.

Why don't you phone up the Melbourne Storm and tell them to do the same in Victoria?

You're good at telling everyone what to do.



You're quite dumb if you think it's a matter of getting the game broadcast on the main channel.

AwFuL is broadcast into Brisbane and Sydney on 7mate.

It hasn't hurt their junior numbers, has it?

Haven't you spent the last 12-24 months telling us AwFuL have hundreds of millions of extra revenue to spend?

How do you propose the ARLC match AwFuL's investment when it doesn't have the money?

Don't weasel your way out by saying the money is already there -- I've seen you do this before. You've argued in the media forum that fumbleball has a significantly higher revenue stream that they can use to fund four expansion clubs in the northern states. You've also said the only way our game can overcome this gap is by putting unwanted teams in Adelaide and Perth.

Now you're telling us there's no gap and we can afford to do what fumbleball does in Brisbane and Sydney?



They've had 25 years to do that. Failed miserably.

Ive told you, its not rocket science. Investment in = players out. You yourself have agreed with this when it comes to AFL in Queensland.

It doesnt have the money because it keeps itself confined. Open up to a national comp and get the bigger revenue streams.

The money is there. They cut $20mill a year out of grassroots funding. Invest just 25% of that into grassroots in WA and Vic and you'd get the results you so desperately want to see. And stop pissing tens of millions away on follys like Vegas.

The gap exists because we dont have teams in WA, SA and havent gone hard at Vic. And because we have merkins running the game who keep signing sht tv deals.

The ARLC hasnt tried at all, in fact the opposite, cutting NRLVic funding and making statements like Vlandys did. Not Storms job to get schoolkids playing RL, thats the ARLC's mandate. Storms job to take the best of them and turn them into NRL players. They need a deeper pool to have success in that. Not much deeper though, they are getting there numbers wise to where clubs like Bulldogs and Sharks regions are. This latest step by Storm to add HM Ball and Jersey flegg to the 5 year old SG ball program is a positive step forward. This year they have 3 Vic Jnrs in the first 30 man squad.

 

[Colk]

I've heard all of the arguments for investing in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

They're all based on bullshit.

"If we take money away from NSW and Queensland and hand it to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth to prop up teams they don't want then we'll see a massive growth in players from these markets."​

It's a dumb argument because it assumes kids will queue up to play rugby league.

Melbourne have had a team to support for 25 years. It's been more successful on the field than anyone else. The Storm have consumed more money than any club bar Brisbane to fund its success.

What has it produced?

Victoria has 5k juniors and produced 5 NRL players over 25 years.

To put that into perspective, Queensland has produced over 100 AwFuL players.

Does Melbourne have any junior clubs within its inner suburbs?

Most of Victoria's juniors would be descended from Queenslanders, New South Welshmen and Polynesians.

Have any of the five NRL players Victoria has produced come from households that love fumbleball?

Here's the other fact that you, Perth Dread and The Great Dope continue to ignore.

Where's the money for this investment going to come from?

Fumbleball has invested significantly more money in Queensland and NSW than the ARLC has because they've got more revenue.

If we cannot match them on our home turf, what makes you think we can out spend them on their turf?

Firstly who are you quoting?

Secondly what do you propose?

You can whinge about the fact that only QLD and NSW produce players or you do something about it. You can whinge about the fact that Queensland have produced 100 Awful players and we haven’t produced as many or again you do something about it.

It’s essentially emblematic of a massive inferiority complex that this game and its supporters have that is frankly very frustrating. The fumblers are only in the position they are (revenue wise included) because they took the time to invest in something and made hard decisions (by the way they are still pedestrian by global standards) Just do the hard work, take some risks and have a long term strategy. You can’t growth anything - business/personal fortune (whatever) without taking risks.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Firstly who are you quoting?

Secondly what do you propose?

You can whinge about the fact that only QLD and NSW produce players or you do something about it. You can whinge about the fact that Queensland have produced 100 Awful players and we haven’t produced as many or again you do something about it.

It’s essentially emblematic of a massive inferiority complex that this game and its supporters have that is frankly very frustrating. The fumblers are only in the position they are (revenue wise included) because they took the time to invest in something and made hard decisions (by the way they are still pedestrian by global standards) Just do the hard work, take some risks and have a long term strategy. You can’t growth anything - business/personal fortune (whatever) without taking risks.

I have an inferiority complex because I think Brisbane, NZ and PNG have more to offer than Adelaide and Perth?

 

[Colk]

I have an inferiority complex because I think Brisbane, NZ and PNG have more to offer than Adelaide and Perth?

Well you are snookering yourself a little with PNG but I’ll leave that one for another time.

No you have an inferiority complex because you think the game can’t grow beyond anything that it currently is, whereas fumbleball can and has. Do you think fumbleball was producing players or had much popularity in Queensland thirty or forty years ago?

The other point about fumbleball having more revenue therefore we can’t do anything is frankly absurd.

Firstly, it hasn’t stopped any other sport. Most sports produce athletes from around the country. They don’t go oh well fumbleball is really popular in Victoria we should just give up then.

Secondly, fumbleball didn’t have this revenue before they went into Sydney and Brisbane they made it after they went into those areas - they didn’t have $900 million odd revenue 35 years ago. The way you and some others talk you’d think that the game is destitute and fumbleball have European soccer type money. Take a risk and grow a new audience.

Thirdly, find your niche. We produce vastly different types of athletes to fumbleball. We are never going to have the same amount of junior participants compared to that sport because the physicality of our sport is greater. Nevertheless, bigger bodies aren’t suited to their game but may be suited to ours. Not everybody in Victoria etc is a stick insect.

 

[Bukowski]

Well you are snookering yourself a little with PNG but I’ll leave that one for another time.

No you have an inferiority complex because you think the game can’t grow beyond anything that it currently is, whereas fumbleball can and has. Do you think fumbleball was producing players or had much popularity in Queensland thirty or forty years ago?

The other point about fumbleball having more revenue therefore we can’t do anything is frankly absurd.

Firstly, it hasn’t stopped any other sport. Most sports produce athletes from around the country. They don’t go oh well fumbleball is really popular in Victoria we should just give up then.

Secondly, fumbleball didn’t have this revenue before they went into Sydney and Brisbane they made it after they went into those areas - they didn’t have $900 million odd revenue 35 years ago. The way you and some others talk you’d think that the game is destitute and fumbleball have European soccer type money. Take a risk and grow a new audience.

Thirdly, find your niche. We produce vastly different types of athletes to fumbleball. We are never going to have the same amount of junior participants compared to that sport because the physicality of our sport is greater. Nevertheless, bigger bodies aren’t suited to their game but may be suited to ours. Not everybody in Victoria etc is a stick insect.

Great post. Sadly it will be lost on that dullard.

 

[Perth Red]

He can’t see past sydney and Brisbane. He’s only championing brisbane3 as he didn’t get Logan in as Brisbane2
. He’s spent years championing Perth but because I’ve gone against brisbane 3 he now hates on perth.
he bemoans that nrl doesn’t have the revenue afl has, yet wants to continue perpetuating the circumstances that have led to this gap. It’s a very bizarre world inside his head lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well you are snookering yourself a little with PNG but I’ll leave that one for another time.

How so?

Rugby league is their national sport.

It has funding from the PNG and Aus Gov. An academy as been set up to foster junior development. The long-term benefits of PNG outweigh anything Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth can offer.

No you have an inferiority complex because you think the game can’t grow beyond anything that it currently is, whereas fumbleball can and has.

The amount of money it will take to grow beyond niche status in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth is greater than the return it will provide.

Do you think fumbleball was producing players or had much popularity in Queensland thirty or forty years ago?

A fumbleball team from Ipswich defeated Essendon in the 1890s. Q
Jason Dunstall is a Queenslander who played in the VFL for Hawthorne in the 80s and 90s.

There was interest in SEQ to enter teams in the VFL in the 1980s. At one stage Richmond wanted to relocate to Brisbane.

The Bears were introduced because the VFL clubs were broke -- there were no pokies in Victoria until 1991 -- and needed the licence fee from the Eagles and Bears to keep teams like Fitzroy afloat. Fitzroy evtnually were forced into a merger with the Bears. Both the Bears and Lions were basket cases.

South Melbourne chose to relocate to Sydney because they were broke. The Sydney Swans teetered on extinction during the 80s and 90s.

AwFuL doesn't give the same amount to every club. It provides more to clubs that are running at a loss. Their commission can do this because the clubs have perpetual licences. The ARLC cannot because the clubs don't have perpetual licences and have voting rights. They'll never vote for a system thst gives more money to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

The other point about fumbleball having more revenue therefore we can’t do anything is frankly absurd.

See above.

The amount of revenue AwFuL has allows them to fund expansion into the northern states. Not just at the top level. They can afford to spend big all the way down to grassroots. Back in 2011 they were giving free football boots to juniors in Queensland who signed up to play fumbleball and provided Macca's to kids who participated in AusKick.

Firstly, it hasn’t stopped any other sport. Most sports produce athletes from around the country. They don’t go oh well fumbleball is really popular in Victoria we should just give up then.

Now you're talking complete bullshit.

The operating budget for an NBL team last season was between $1.65m-$2.92m.

The NBL experienced an interesting phenomena over the 2022-23 season: the three teams that spent the most missed the playoffs, while the three teams that spent the least made it into the top-four.

The total spend of each NBL team from last season, obtained by ESPN and confirmed by multiple sources, shows the Adelaide 36ers spending $2.92 million; more than any other franchise, with the amount ultimately leading to finishing 8th on a ladder of 10 teams.

The 36ers were closely followed by the South East Melbourne Phoenix ($2.85 million), while the Cairns Taipans - who finished the season 3rd on the ladder and were competitive in a semi-finals series against the eventual champions - spent the least among all teams, at $1.65 million.

Exclusive: Every NBL teams total spend

The NBL experienced an interesting phenomena over the 2022-23 season: the three teams that spent the most missed the playoffs, while the three teams that spent the least made it into the top-four.

www.espn.com.au

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These days it costs about $25-45m to run an NRL team. Even with an annual grant of $17m, a team from Adelaide and Perth will be looking at $8m that they need to generate from football operations to keep up with the smallest clubs. If they want to be successful like the big teams then they'll need to generate at least $18m or more. Storm got to where they Re by spending more than every club bar the Broncos.

Secondly, fumbleball didn’t have this revenue before they went into Sydney and Brisbane they made it after they went into those areas - they didn’t have $900 million odd revenue 35 years ago. The way you and some others talk you’d think that the game is destitute and fumbleball have European soccer type money. Take a risk and grow a new audience.

South Melbourne had no choice but to relocate to Sydney after five years of financial losses and no possibility of Lake Oval getting an upgrade. Attendances were poor. At first they remained stationed in Melbourne but played at the SCG, which pissed off people in both cities.

Bears and Eagles were introduced because struggling clubs like Fitzroy needed the money from the licence fee that new clubs had to pay. Like I said earlier, there were no gaming machines in Victoria at the time.

Thirdly, find your niche. We produce vastly different types of athletes to fumbleball. We are never going to have the same amount of junior participants compared to that sport because the physicality of our sport is greater. Nevertheless, bigger bodies aren’t suited to their game but may be suited to ours. Not everybody in Victoria etc is a stick insect.

How about we do all of this after we've maximised our potential in the heartland?

There's no need to rush expansion into Adelaide and Perth. Every one who pushes for Adelaide and Perth to get teams ahead of Brisbane, New Zealand and PNG are insecure about the game's reputation as a "two state sport" or fear that their team will be left behind if the talent pool in SEQ and New Zealand becomes thinner. Canberra has been raiding Brisbane for 40 years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

He can’t see past sydney and Brisbane. He’s only championing brisbane3 as he didn’t get Logan in as Brisbane2
. He’s spent years championing Perth but because I’ve gone against brisbane 3 he now hates on perth.
he bemoans that nrl doesn’t have the revenue afl has, yet wants to continue perpetuating the circumstances that have led to this gap. It’s a very bizarre world inside his head lol

There's no guarantee that adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will lead to our game generating more revenue. You've failed to provide any evidence that the broadcasters and sponsors will pay more for an NRL that has teams in Adelaide and Perth.

NBL, BBL and A-League have a presence in all metro area, yet they don't generate as much revenue as the NRL!

This is where you say "that's because they're minor sports!"

Guess what motherf**ker, cricket is Australia's only national sport and is played and watched avidly around the entire country!

In 2019, the Sydney Sixers had a budget of $12.5m. Hobart Hurricanes had a budget of $8.5m.

That f**ks up your bullshit theory and proves you're full of shit.

You're against everyone that isn't Perth because you're an obnoxious wanker with an entitlement complex. A few weeks ago you ranted about how much you hate the Dolphins for using red, black and gold in their away jersey. According to you those colours must be reserved for a Perth-based team.

 

[Perth Red]

There's no guarantee that adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will lead to our game generating more revenue. You've failed to provide any evidence that the broadcasters and sponsors will pay more for an NRL that has teams in Adelaide and Perth.

NBL, BBL and A-League have a presence in all metro area, yet they don't generate as much revenue as the NRL!

This is where you say "that's because they're minor sports!"

Guess what motherf**ker, cricket is Australia's only national sport and is played and watched avidly around the entire country!

In 2019, the Sydney Sixers had a budget of $12.5m. Hobart Hurricanes had a budget of $8.5m.

That f**ks up your bullshit theory and proves you're full of shit.

You're against everyone that isn't Perth because you're an obnoxious wanker with an entitlement complex. A few weeks ago you ranted about how much you hate the Dolphins for using red, black and gold in their away jersey. According to you those colours must be reserved for a Perth-based team.

Nice rant, again lol

 

[The Great Dane]

I would suggest that the civil war and fallout is what held us back for a couple of decades there. But the game is in amazing health at the moment.

Single factor analysis are always braindead and there will be consequences for PVL's short term boosting tactics. Besides the 'amazing health' of the game is all surface level and restricted to the NRL. The grassroots are in the worst shape they've ever been in broadly speaking and no amount of fancy statistical manipulation can change that.

Male participation in the key age groups has been on a steady downward trend for decades, and the sport is going to be in a very bad place unless it can abate that decline or reverse it quickly. The NRL and ARLC are totally clueless if it truly believes it can make up the difference with imports and the women's game, that's fantasyland stuff.

 

[The Great Dane]

Where's the money for this investment going to come from?

Depends on what sort of investment we're talking about, but the NRL more than has the means necessary to invest in basics like full time development officers, equipment, infrastructure, training programs, promotional material, professional administrations, etc, etc. NRL sides in Perth and Adelaide would relatively quickly pay for themselves in increased advertising, sponsorship, and broadcast value alone, assuming they were competently run of course.

Shit the cost of most of this stuff would be a margining error if the NRL just stopped redirecting all grassroots funding to the professional tier.

BTW, can we please stop the make believe that the Dolphins elite pathways program is somehow a revolutionary altruistic act for the sport. It's not unique, every club does it, and the Dolphins do it for their own benefit first and foremost.