Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[greenBV4]

If news want a 3rd Brisbane side so badly why did they heavily suggest the 2nd team had to be Redcliffe to have the least effect on the Broncos?

The NRL is meeting with its expansion committee on Friday, where a club will be recommended as the 17th franchise to join the competition from 2023.

While there’s three bidders – the Brisbane Jets, Firehawks and Redcliffe – it is believed the latter is all but certain to get the nod.

Joining SEN’s Pat and Heals, Channel Seven’s Chris Garry says the Dolphins will be selected due to their backing from News Corp.

The majority owner of the Brisbane Broncos, News Corp is willing to inject an extra “15 to 20 million” into the broadcasting deal for Fox Sports and Kayo to the NRL if Redcliffe is selected.

Garry believes News Corp views the Jets and Firehawks’ bids as having potential to “cannibalise” the Broncos, and therefore that’s why it is strongly backing the Dolphins’ bid.

“Here’s the facts, the Broncos and News Corp believe that Ipswich, or the Brisbane Jets, and this is their belief, that they would cannibalise the Broncos,” Garry said.

“That’s their concern, they believe that Redcliffe has more of its own identity away from the Broncos, and they are willing to help fund that in the tune of 15 to 20 million dollars a year extra for their broadcasting.

“News Corp have said repeatedly, ‘No it doesn’t have to be Redcliffe’, well, my understanding is they would much rather it be Redcliffe.”

Garry says Redcliffe’s location north of Brisbane has ultimately given the bid a leg-up.

“They (News Corp) genuinely believe if the Brisbane Jets or Firehawks came into the competition, they would disturb the Broncos too much,” Garry explained.

“The Broncos fan base is heavier west of Brisbane than it is north of Brisbane.

- https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10...he-broncos-why-brisbane-prefer-redcliffe-bid/

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

An NRL team isn't as expensive to run as an AFL team though. You also have no proof that a Perth team will need to be propped up by the ARLC, just speculation. You also have no proof that the ARLC wouldn't do it if they had to.
Brisbane 3 isn't expansion its more consolidation, the sport should be expanding into new markets.

I do have proof that clubs need to generate a bare minimum of $10-15m from football operations to be financially viable. It was stated on p28 of the Gemba report that was conducted on behalf of the Titans when they tried to squash the Dolphins' entry.

• Based on benchmarks from existing smaller NRL clubs, it is estimated that a new club would have operating costs of $23.6m per year which is largely driven by Player Wages and Other Wages
• The NRL provides clubs with a Grant of at least $13.6m and covers some other operational expenses which aren’t included in the estimated total costs
• Assuming a new club had an operating cost base of $23.6m, the club would need to generate $10.0m in revenue through Sponsorship, Game Day Revenue, Hospitality, Membership etc. in order to break even. This is expected to be challenging in early years due to the competitive landscape in which the club is entering
• If the club is unable to achieve this, the operating loss would need to be covered by the club or the NRL would be required to provide additional financial support

https://origin.go.theaustralian.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Gemba_NRL-Expansion-Analysis_Final-Report_170621.pdf

The teams operating on just $10m from football operations have pokie machines to bail them out. Perth won't have any revenue from pokies because WA law prohibits licenced venues from carrying gaming machines. That leaves corporate hospitality, sponsorship, ticketing, membership and merchandise as the only means of revenue for a Perth team. Without a rich financier they will struggle unless they're given a good stadium rental deal by the WA Gov and have the corporate facilities at Perth Oval upgraded to provide a decent revenue stream from hospitality. It's not impossible, but without a generous deal from the WA Gov it will be extremely hard.

The club will also need to develop a high performance training centre. We saw what the CoE did to the Titans. Exorbitant stadium rental fees hurt the Titans, too. These are things the ARLC need to get right before accepting a team from Perth or New Zealand 2.

 

[greenBV4]

Imagine if tigers bid said "we'll never go bankrupt coz we get nrl grant"?! Perth rely on game day & grant. This is why NRL is not biting.

Ideally you would want a team to be more than just "viable", but the arlc should also be trying to actually grow the game. Is that harder? yes. But what's the point of anything if not to try and actually grow the sport, its in a good spot at the moment and in a great position to actually grow its footprint, its not the time for more conservative consolidation

also a better question about a clubs financial position is what happens if pokies are ever more heavily regulated in NSW and Qld?

 

[The Mad Hatter]

I’m surprised the Brisbane Bears haven’t been mooted with potential to play at North Sydney Oval.

 

[Pippen94]

Ideally you would want a team to be more than just "viable", but the arlc should also be trying to actually grow the game. Is that harder? yes. But what's the point of anything if not to try and actually grow the sport, its in a good spot at the moment and in a great position to actually grow its footprint, its not the time for more conservative consolidation

also a better question when it comes in a clubs financial position is what happens if pokies are ever more heavily regulated in NSW and Qld?

NRL should try & grow revenue & juniors.

 

[greenBV4]

NRL should try & grow revenue & juniors.

revenue comes from the extra game

how exactly does another team in Brisbane grow its juniors? they have every single opportunity to play league at any age already, and there's not a single q-cup side in Brisbane that isn't already affiliated with an NRL side - there's actually competition between clubs to gain affiliation

 

[Pippen94]

If news want a 3rd Brisbane side so badly why did they heavily suggest the 2nd team had to be Redcliffe to have the least effect on the Broncos?



- https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10...he-broncos-why-brisbane-prefer-redcliffe-bid/

Article just opinion piece. Enough ppl here telling us what broadcasters want, while ignore what broadcasters actually saying

 

[Pippen94]

revenue comes from the extra game

how exactly does another team in Brisbane grow its juniors? they have every single opportunity to play league at any age already

Ask Phil Gould how you grow sport in heartland & development more NRL players. There'll never be infrastructure in lower states to grow grassroots

 

[greenBV4]

Article just opinion piece. Enough ppl here telling us what broadcasters want, while ignore what broadcasters actually saying

and what are they actually saying

 

[Pippen94]

and what are they actually saying

Nine wants more se qld teams.

 

[greenBV4]

Ask Phil Gould how you grow sport in heartland & development more NRL players. There'll never be infrastructure in lower states to grow grassroots

so, an opinion? from arguably the most biased man on tv. I thought opinions didn't count

 

[greenBV4]

Nine wants more se qld teams.

what about fox
and when have nein ever had the games best interests in mind

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If news want a 3rd Brisbane side so badly why did they heavily suggest the 2nd team had to be Redcliffe to have the least effect on the Broncos?



- https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10...he-broncos-why-brisbane-prefer-redcliffe-bid/

The money News paid for the Dolphins was on the provision that fewer Broncos games be aired on Ch9. It's why Ch9 didn't pay more, as they weren't getting any extra content for the SEQ market. The strong ratings provided by the Dolphins will give Ch9 some leverage over News when the next deal is negotiated. Ch9 might pay extra for Brisbane 3 to provide more content in SEQ. There's also the possibility of Ch9 going all in to secure content for Stan.

 

[greenBV4]

The money News paid for the Dolphins was on the provision that fewer Broncos games be aired on Ch9. It's why Ch9 didn't pay more, as they weren't getting any extra content for the SEQ market. The strong ratings provided by the Dolphins will give Ch9 some leverage over News when the next deal is negotiated. Ch9 might pay extra for Brisbane 3 to provide more content in SEQ. There's also the possibility of Ch9 going all in to secure content for Stan.

IMO nothing nine has done recently suggests they would go all in for anything, they want what they want without having to actually pay anything for it, and Vlandys seems happy to let them walk all over him, they'll likely pay the bare minimum for the extra game regardless of wherethe next team is based, but will gladly offer their "opinion" on what's easiest and best for them.

What's actually more likely is FTA wont even want an extra game, and funding for that will come solely from news, who clearly don't want anything effecting their Broncos the slightest

Regardless we shouldn't be letting broadcasters, who have their own agendas, tell us where and what to do, the NRL should be doing what's best for it in the long run, proper investment in the future of the game

Fumbleball's broadcasters don't seem to have any problem letting them decide what they want to do, then pay up anyway.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

602,470 vs 760,000

I wouldnt say that is "not even close" per capita

In the 2016 Census, there were 4,446,805 people in Sydney. Of these 49.3% were male and 50.7% were female.

4,446,805 / 9 = 494,089

In the 2016 Census, there were 2,054,614 people in Brisbane. Of these 49.1% were male and 50.9% were female.

2,054,614 / 3 = 684,871.

Even if you were to add a fourth team to Brisbane, it would still have more people per capita to support it.

2,054,614 / 4 = 513,653.5

The two Brisbane teams generate more money from football operations than the Sydney clubs. Even the Cowboys, who are from a small regional city of 160k, generated more money from every rugby league club in the world bar the Broncos in 2022. There's more demand for rugby league in Queensland than there is in NSW.

 

[greenBV4]

In the 2016 Census, there were 4,446,805 people in Sydney. Of these 49.3% were male and 50.7% were female.

4,446,805 / 9 = 494,089

In the 2016 Census, there were 2,054,614 people in Brisbane. Of these 49.1% were male and 50.9% were female.

2,054,614 / 3 = 684,871.

Even if you were to add a fourth team to Brisbane, it would still have more people per capita to support it.

2,054,614 / 4 = 513,653.5

It's generally accepted 8.5 teams for Sydney, unless you want to add Wollongong's population to the total

also, 2016 census... we've had a lot of growth all round and a whole other census since then mate

 

[greenBV4]

The two Brisbane teams generate more money from football operations than the Sydney clubs. Even the Cowboys, who are from a small regional city of 160k, generated more money from every rugby league club in the world bar the Broncos in 2022. There's more demand for rugby league in Queensland than there is in NSW.

exactly, we have a good thing going, why rush to make it more like Sydney when there is other markets completely unserviced

2 is a big rivalry, 3 is a 3rd wheel

 

[Perth Red]

Why are you pretending that the Titans' financial predictament is tied with the amount of teams thaat are in Brisbane?

The corporate sector in Brisbane will never back the Titans because the team and its fans represent a different market. You could limit Brisbane to just one team and its corporate sector still wouldn't touch the Titans. Nor would people from Brisbane travel up to two hours to Robina Stadium every fortnight to support a team from a rival city. All you're doing is looking for a reason to justify your biased position.

If the business sector on the Gold Coast isn't large enough to support the Titans then relocate them to Perth. Brisbane shouldn't be punished for the shortcomings of a team from another market.

You want expansion teams in new markets, but you don't want NSW to sacrifice anything to make it happen. Brisbane has to pay the price so NSW can retain its status quo and you can get what you want. I'm not signing up for that biased and inflammatory proposal because it treats the Brisbane rugby league community like second class citizens.

Maybe we should get rid of the Knights to make room for Perth?

Newcastle has been a financial basket case since 1988. I don't see you asking for Sydney to be rationalised for the betterment of Newcastle.

2 clubs in a city of 2.3million is enough for now. If I’m an nrl fan in Brisbane I now have two clubs I could choose to follow.

Sydney clubs arent going anywhere so that’s a pointless argument.

We have two decent sized cities in australia with zero nrl presence. That has to be rectified next.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth is a good candidate for the 19th licence, but they have a lot of work to do. The WA Gov needs to replace the poor corporate facilities at Perth Oval. The western and northern stands need to be knocked down and rebuilt. This will take at least 12 to 18 months. Maybe longer. If a Perth team was admitted now for 2026 they would struggle to generate strong corporate support because Perth Oval is out of date. The Glory and Force struggle in this area for the very same reason. The Wildcats have been successful because they play out of a great venue.

a new club won’t be admitted until 2028. Plenty of time to build the infrastrucutre and sort out hbf park, IF the nrl announce perth soon.

The Dockers struggle for corporate support, despite being based at a world class venue.

Eh? Dockers earn more corporate revenue than everyone in nrl except broncos ($17.6million)

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Nine wants more se qld teams.

Yet Nine doesn’t really seem to support the NRL with its lacklustre coverage and reporting.