Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[Perth Red]

only in Sydney - soft cocks who chose AFL over League

@Wb1234

 

[MugaB]

only in Sydney - soft cocks who chose AFL over League

Well apparently that happens in canberra aswell according to the great dane

 

[MugaB]

In order I have the next 3 options:
- Bears/png/pacifica (govt, nth sydney, juniors)
- NZ 2 (rivalry, juniors, kiwi/samoa/fiji/intl game)
- Perth (Timezone, national footprint)

close to the mark, but I'd have the Bears in NZ or WA, let Pasifika be its own thing

 

[The Great Dane]

Well apparently that happens in canberra aswell according to the great dane

Aussie Rules popularity in Canberra has absolutely nothing to do with SL, but go ahead and believe that statistics that include sampling from Wollongong, Dubbo, Orange, etc, are the best way to measure the popularity of each sport in Canberra like Tito if you wish.

 

[MugaB]

Aussie Rules popularity in Canberra has absolutely nothing to do with SL, but go ahead and believe that statistics that include sampling from Wollongong, Dubbo, Orange, etc, are the best way to measure the popularity of each sport in Canberra like Tito if you wish.

You must be drunk... who the fk was talking about SL? or Wollongong, Orange, Dubbo, or basically anything resembling this retort... all i did was mention that high horse you sat on regarding AFLs popularity in Canberra, i never said i did or didn't disagree with it, just that you yourself do believe in it, and those in canberra are soft cocks that do too

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Aussie Rules popularity in Canberra has absolutely nothing to do with SL, but go ahead and believe that statistics that include sampling from Wollongong, Dubbo, Orange, etc, are the best way to measure the popularity of each sport in Canberra like Tito if you wish.

Attendances too. You've provided no evidence for the AFL's supposed superior popularity other than your opinion

 

[MugaB]

Attendances too. You've provided no evidence for the AFL's supposed superior popularity other than your opinion

Dude he lives there... of course he knows

 

[Tigerlaird]

AFL is already more popular in Queensland than NRL now, so it wouldn't surprise me when it overtakes NSW.

 

[blue bags]

AFL is already more popular in Queensland than NRL now, so it wouldn't surprise me when it overtakes NSW.

That's right. We don't want Swans . Giants
Taking over the heartlands of NRL

 

[The Great Dane]

You must be drunk... who the fk was talking about SL? or Wollongong, Orange, Dubbo, or basically anything resembling this retort... all i did was mention that high horse you sat on regarding AFLs popularity in Canberra, i never said i did or didn't disagree with it, just that you yourself do believe in it, and those in canberra are soft cocks that do too

Old mate Tito did, and didn't even realise he was doing it.

Check out Regional Tam's coverage area's for yourself if you don't believe me, and their unique definition of Southern NSW-https://www.regionaltam.com.au/

Attendances too. You've provided no evidence for the AFL's supposed superior popularity other than your opinion

Again you're misrepresenting my position. I didn't say AR is more popular than RL, I said they're so close in popularity that it's basically impossible to tell which is bigger than the other, and that it's so close that it's pretty irrelevant anyway.

The truth is that the ACT's sporting culture is understudied and reliable data that would definitively shows which sport is more popular in Canberra simply doesn't exist or isn't publicly available. You'd need a solid in-depth study to show which is bigger, but no such study exists and the necessary data isn't available publicly.

The only reliable statistics we have that can be reasonably compared are participation, and I gave you both the numbers and sources that show that Aussie Rules has more clubs in Canberra and undoubtably more participates than RL. In this case it doesn't get better than that for hard data.

 

[MugaB]

Old mate Tito did, and didn't even realise he was doing it.

Check out Regional Tam's coverage area's for yourself if you don't believe me, and their unique definition of Southern NSW-https://www.regionaltam.com.au/

Again you're misrepresenting my position. I didn't say AR is more popular than RL, I said they're so close in popularity that it's basically impossible to tell which is bigger than the other, and that it's so close that it's pretty irrelevant anyway.

The truth is that the ACT's sporting culture is understudied and reliable data that would definitively shows which sport is more popular in Canberra simply doesn't exist or isn't publicly available. You'd need a solid in-depth study to show which is bigger, but no such study exists and the necessary data isn't available publicly.

The only reliable statistics we have that can be reasonably compared are participation, and I gave you both the numbers and sources that show that Aussie Rules has more clubs in Canberra and undoubtably more participates than RL. In this case it doesn't get better than that for hard data.

Ok, but we are just taking your word on this as you're a local, and junior clubs dont equate to fanbase or popularity, i mean there's a ton of soccer clubs in Sydney, but A-league is not popular as league or afl

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Old mate Tito did, and didn't even realise he was doing it.

Check out Regional Tam's coverage area's for yourself if you don't believe me, and their unique definition of Southern NSW-https://www.regionaltam.com.au/

Again you're misrepresenting my position. I didn't say AR is more popular than RL, I said they're so close in popularity that it's basically impossible to tell which is bigger than the other, and that it's so close that it's pretty irrelevant anyway.

The truth is that the ACT's sporting culture is understudied and reliable data that would definitively shows which sport is more popular in Canberra simply doesn't exist or isn't publicly available. You'd need a solid in-depth study to show which is bigger, but no such study exists and the necessary data isn't available publicly.

The only reliable statistics we have that can be reasonably compared are participation, and I gave you both the numbers and sources that show that Aussie Rules has more clubs in Canberra and undoubtably more participates than RL. In this case it doesn't get better than that for hard data.

Ratings and attendances mate. NRL rules Canberra. And yes before you start again with the towns surrounding Canberra in NSW, some of them make up a potential fan base for the Raiders or a Canberra AFL team so give up mate you've got nothing as usual

 

[The Great Dane]

Ratings and attendances mate. NRL rules Canberra. And yes before you start again with the towns surrounding Canberra in NSW, some of them make up a potential fan base for the Raiders or a Canberra AFL team so give up mate you've got nothing as usual

Comparing GWS attendances to Raiders attendances is valueless as it doesn't go anywhere near comparing like for like, and only a fool would suggest other wise.

Dubbo, Wollongong, Bathurst, Orange, Wagga Wagga, etc, etc, are all included in Regional Tam's sample for 'Southern NSW' alongside Canberra (Wollongong has the second largest amount of participants in fact), and none of them are towns surrounding Canberra or places that Canberran teams draw a significant fanbase. No data I know of exists to measure the rates of support for sports or teams in the Capital Region surrounding Canberra as a whole, and trying to insert them into the debate is dodging the core of the argument which was about the ACT and Canberra itself, not the surrounding region.

You're so confident, and yet so wrong.

 

[The Great Dane]

Ok, but we are just taking your word on this as you're a local, and junior clubs dont equate to fanbase or popularity, i mean there's a ton of soccer clubs in Sydney, but A-league is not popular as league or afl

The participation numbers, facts about ratings sampling, and problems with comparing attendance aren't taking my word for it, and you wouldn't question my position if you knew anything about the history of Canberra or had spent any significant amount of time in Canberra.

Tito's desperation to assert that Canberra is some sort of stronghold in RL's war against the AFL is nothing more than ahistorical code war nonsense. It's no different from the AFL types whom regularly claim that Canberra was an "Aussie Rules city" before the Raiders entry into the NSWRL in the 80s, and is just waiting for an AFL side to become one again. Both positions are simplistic misunderstandings of Canberra's culture and history pushed by morons with agendas.

 

[MugaB]

The participation numbers, facts about ratings sampling, and problems with comparing attendance aren't taking my word for it, and you wouldn't question my position if you knew anything about the history of Canberra or had spent any significant amount of time in Canberra.

Tito's desperation to assert that Canberra is some sort of stronghold in RL's war against the AFL is nothing more than ahistorical code war nonsense. It's no different from the AFL types whom regularly claim that Canberra was an "Aussie Rules city" before the Raiders entry into the NSWRL in the 80s, and is just waiting for an AFL side to become one again. Both positions are simplistic misunderstandings of Canberra's culture and history pushed by morons with agendas.

I dont disagree you believe this, but the sampling and participation numbers dont equate to anything, like i said plenty of people playing soccer in sydney, but fk all supporting A-league

 

[Willy2452]

I do

Old mate Tito did, and didn't even realise he was doing it.

Check out Regional Tam's coverage area's for yourself if you don't believe me, and their unique definition of Southern NSW-https://www.regionaltam.com.au/

Again you're misrepresenting my position. I didn't say AR is more popular than RL, I said they're so close in popularity that it's basically impossible to tell which is bigger than the other, and that it's so close that it's pretty irrelevant anyway.

The truth is that the ACT's sporting culture is understudied and reliable data that would definitively shows which sport is more popular in Canberra simply doesn't exist or isn't publicly available. You'd need a solid in-depth study to show which is bigger, but no such study exists and the necessary data isn't available publicly.

The only reliable statistics we have that can be reasonably compared are participation, and I gave you both the numbers and sources that show that Aussie Rules has more clubs in Canberra and undoubtably more participates than RL. In this case it doesn't get better than that for hard data.

I don’t understand the obsession of removing Queanbyan and other NSW satellite towns and suburbs from the data for Canberra.

Some of these towns are closer the Civic and the centre of the city than over parts of Canberra! Most people living in the towns work in Canberra each day or has a family member who does.

They are part of culture and community of Canberra and the region. Which results in them following canberra named teams etc.

p.s. I spent 6 years living in Canberra and refereeing A grade there and also was a club secretary, so I have good understanding of the sporting make up of the region.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Comparing GWS attendances to Raiders attendances is valueless as it doesn't go anywhere near comparing like for like, and only a fool would suggest other wise.

Dubbo, Wollongong, Bathurst, Orange, Wagga Wagga, etc, etc, are all included in Regional Tam's sample for 'Southern NSW' alongside Canberra (Wollongong has the second largest amount of participants in fact), and none of them are towns surrounding Canberra or places that Canberran teams draw a significant fanbase. No data I know of exists to measure the rates of support for sports or teams in the Capital Region surrounding Canberra as a whole, and trying to insert them into the debate is dodging the core of the argument which was about the ACT and Canberra itself, not the surrounding region.

You're so confident, and yet so wrong.

I'm comparing AFL attendances in Canberra to NRL attendances in Canberra, one of the only data points we have other than the regions TV ratings and on both counts NRL are in front.

You are providing nothing to this discussion other than 'because I said so' in the face of contrary evidence.

 

[Tigerlaird]

It honestly makes sense for more QLD clubs to join the NRL.

If Brisbane Tigers join the comp I think the perfect name for their NRL side would be "Brisbane Easts"

The emblem could be a BE monogram or something along those lines - although honestly, I would keep the Tigers brand as it is synonymous with Brissy Eastern Suburbs Teams.

Then you get Ipswich Jets to join the league, and now you basically cover all of the important parts of Queensland and maximise pathways for the growing junior base.

Cowboys - NQ
Dolphins - Northeast Brissy - CQ
Broncos - Brisbane Proper
Easts - Southeastern Brisbane
Jets - Western Corridor
Titans - Gold Coast

Six teams from Queensland which balances stronger against the 10 in NSW.

Then you have Perth, Adelaide and finally Tasmania join the league - a perfect 22-team comp.

 

[Bukowski]

It honestly makes sense for more QLD clubs to join the NRL.

If Brisbane Tigers join the comp I think the perfect name for their NRL side would be "Brisbane Easts"

The emblem could be a BE monogram or something along those lines - although honestly, I would keep the Tigers brand as it is synonymous with Brissy Eastern Suburbs Teams.

Then you get Ipswich Jets to join the league, and now you basically cover all of the important parts of Queensland and maximise pathways for the growing junior base.

Cowboys - NQ
Dolphins - Northeast Brissy - CQ
Broncos - Brisbane Proper
Easts - Southeastern Brisbane
Jets - Western Corridor
Titans - Gold Coast

Six teams from Queensland which balances stronger against the 10 in NSW.

Then you have Perth, Adelaide and finally Tasmania join the league - a perfect 22-team comp.

22 teams and not a NZ2?

 

[The Great Dane]

I dont disagree you believe this, but the sampling and participation numbers dont equate to anything, like i said plenty of people playing soccer in sydney, but fk all supporting A-league

Sampling for studies and surveys is huge. The results are valueless if it isn't done properly, just like Regional Tams numbers are valueless in assessing ratings in Canberra and the ACT because of their sample size and participants. Then again Regional Tams aren't actually measuring ratings in the ACT they're measuring them in "Southern NSW" as they define it.

I don't necessarily disagree with your thoughts on participation, however they're the only solid comparable data that's available for the ACT. It just is what it is. I'd also add that most of those soccer participants would follow professional soccer at least to some degree, even if it isn't the local product.