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Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

AlwaysGreen

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The Dolphins have totally underachieved by every metric considering the raw potential that existed in Brisbane, and it's only a matter of time before the novelty effect starts to wear off.

People like you will never admit it, but they're symptomatic of everything wrong with the Australian sports industry and particularly RL. They're a backwater suburban club with mid-20th century ideas about how best to operate a business in the sports industry, that're propped up by their gambling business and political corruption instead of their football operations, have proven that they're resistant to changing to market conditions, and are risk averse and accepting of mediocrity.

The NRL (and AFL to a lesser degree as well) takes it's position for granted and has allowed it's self to become stuck in time while it's competitors continue to innovate and the market continues to become increasingly globalised, and that will increasing negatively impact them going forward.

I don't know how you fix the problems the NRL are facing, but it's got to start with the ARLC becoming truly independent (fat chance of that ever happening lol) and some genuine diversity being added into the people that have a say in the running of the sport. The sport cannot continue with exclusively over 50s of a single socioeconomic status who grew up in certain parts of Sydney and Brisbane being the only people who get a real say in the sport and it's direction, as they've proved time and time again that they're completely disconnected from, and totally blind to, anything and anyone outside of their bubble.
Absolute nonsense.
 

mongoose

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That's my point!

Brisbane 3 won't need to be a powerhouse on the field to be financially viable.

Dolphins were bog average for the bulk of the season, yet still managed to average more than the Storm have ever done in a season.

You can bet your arse that the Dolphins generated more revenue from football operations than the Melbourne Storm.

You can also bet your arse that kids from SEQ would rather play for the Brisbane Tigers than a Perth-based team.



And they still managed to average more fans to their games in one season than the Storm have ever done in their 25 year history.

Thus proving my point about the Melbourne Storm and prospective teams in Adelaide and Perth.



The Brisbane Tigers have more than enough financial resources and junior pathways to overcome these challenges. Perth doesn't.



The NRL won't invest a cent into a Perth-based team.
I think you're overestimating how much interest there would be in another SEQLD team. Brisbane has been crying out for a 2nd team for over 20 years, the demand was so high that really anyone could have been Brisbane 2 and they would have hit the ground running in terms of support and sponsors, not saying Dolphins were a bad choice btw... Bringing in another Brisbane team so soon is going to have diminishing returns. There will be another 12 or so NRL games at Suncorp per year - people will start to not show up as often and only attend the event games. I'm not against another Brisbane team but NRL needs to look at other non services areas first.
 
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I think you're overestimating how much interest there would be in another SEQLD team. Brisbane has been crying out for a 2nd team for over 20 years, the demand was so high that really anyone could have been Brisbane 2 and they would have hit the ground running in terms of support and sponsors, not saying Dolphins were a bad choice btw... Bringing in another Brisbane team so soon is going to have diminishing returns. There will be another 12 or so NRL games at Suncorp per year - people will start to not show up as often and only attend the event games. I'm not against another Brisbane team but NRL needs to look at other non services areas first.

Do you have any evidence to support your claim or is it just a baseless and biased opinion?

Brisbane 3 will draw more fans through the gate than a Perth-based team (or the Canberra Raiders for that matter).

NRL is not going to subsidise a team in Adelaide or Perth. Or New Zealand for that matter. Any new team will need to be sustainable on its own. Only a third Brisbane team can provide financial security.
 
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The Dolphins have totally underachieved by every metric considering the raw potential that existed in Brisbane, and it's only a matter of time before the novelty effect starts to wear off.

Do you have any evidence to validate your pompous position, or is it just another baseless opinion you've plucked out of your arse and dressed up as a "fact"?

How much money do you think they should be drawing from sponsorship?

A quick search found their deal with Adventure Kings is one of the largest in the NRL:

The Dolphins have now confirmed they have signed with outdoor accessories company Adventure Kings as their principal sponsor.

The deal is will run for four years, and will be worth around $5 million, making it one of the richest sponsorship deals in the competition.


How does that compare to the Sydney clubs?

While the nine Sydney-based clubs have sponsorships averaging out to about $950,000 a season, the NRL’s 17th team have easily trumped that - and they haven’t even played a game yet.



That means the Dolphins' primary sponsor is paying $300k more per annum than the average Sydney club.

I couldn't find any information on the Raiders' current main sponsor, but found out its previous deal with Huawei was worth around $1m per annum.

While its major sponsorship, reportedly worth approximately $1 million a season, is ending, Huawei and the Raiders will still retain a connection.


So the Raiders were getting a similar amout to the average Sydney club.

If the Sydney clubs are as problematic as you claim, what does that say about the Raiders?

The Dolphins are generating at least $250k more per annum than the Raiders did under their previous deal. That places their market value ahead of the Raiders.

Let's move on to attendances.

What do you think the Dolphins should be averaging over a season?

The Dolphins drew 25,562 in a losing season. That figure includes games played at venues with tiny capacity, such as Dolphin Oval and Sunshine Coast Stadium. Their average at Lang Park was a healthy 32,250.


The Broncos averaged 33,793 across Lang Park and The Gabba in a season that saw them finish second on the ladder. Their nine games at Lang Park averaged 36,007.


The highest attendance in Canberra's history was 17,392 in 1994. The club won the premiership that season.

This year the Raiders drew 14,895.


People like you will never admit it, but they're symptomatic of everything wrong with the Australian sports industry and particularly RL. They're a backwater suburban club with mid-20th century ideas about how best to operate a business in the sports industry, that're propped up by their gambling business and political corruption instead of their football operations, have proven that they're resistant to changing to market conditions, and are risk averse and accepting of mediocrity.

The Dolphins generated more revenue from sponsorship, corporate hospitality and ticketing that all clubs bar the Broncos.

It's incredibly hypocritical for you to whinge about the club generating revenue from non-football operations, such as gambling, when the Raiders rely heavily on gaming and property developments.

The NRL (and AFL to a lesser degree as well) takes it's position for granted and has allowed it's self to become stuck in time while it's competitors continue to innovate and the market continues to become increasingly globalised, and that will increasing negatively impact them going forward.

Rugby Australia, FFA, Basketball Australia and Cricket Australia are hardly a threat to the NRL and AFL.

I don't know how you fix the problems the NRL are facing, but it's got to start with the ARLC becoming truly independent (fat chance of that ever happening lol) and some genuine diversity being added into the people that have a say in the running of the sport. The sport cannot continue with exclusively over 50s of a single socioeconomic status who grew up in certain parts of Sydney and Brisbane being the only people who get a real say in the sport and it's direction, as they've proved time and time again that they're completely disconnected from, and totally blind to, anything and anyone outside of their bubble.

Since when has the QRL had a huge say over the game?

Pretty much everything is based out of Sydney. Up until this year Brisbane had just one team.
 
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Tigerlaird

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Just let Brisbane Easts go in as the Tigers. Would be fun to see a Tiger-derby in the comp. I don't see what the issue is with teams having similar or the same mascot. Look how many reds and blues teams there are in the EPL.

Have Brisbane Easts actually asked if they could keep the Tiger mascot?
 

Bukowski

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Just let Brisbane Easts go in as the Tigers. Would be fun to see a Tiger-derby in the comp. I don't see what the issue is with teams having similar or the same mascot. Look how many reds and blues teams there are in the EPL.

Have Brisbane Easts actually asked if they could keep the Tiger mascot?
Pascoe has told them they can use it for $5k
 

Brian potter

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That would be the ideal scenario. It will bring Sydney down to a more sustainable amount of teams and make Brisbane a fortress with the representation it deserves. It will leave three spots up for grabs. It won't happen though.
Of course it won’t happen.

let’s keep the basket case of a club with 6 home grounds west tigers in the overcrowded Sydney market alongside the sharks and their p#sspot stadium instead.
 
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Of course it won’t happen.

let’s keep the basket case of a club with 6 home grounds west tigers in the overcrowded Sydney market alongside the sharks and their p#sspot stadium instead.
To be fair, Dolphin Oval ain't state of the art. Thankfully, the Dolphins only play a few games there. It should only be used for pre-season games, NRLW and Queensland Cup.
 
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I watched the Bye Round podcast with Shane Richardson. Every point he made was pertinent.

Adding the Brisbane Tigers will increase the amount of Queensland juniors who progress to the NRL. At the moment there's quality juniors in SEQ leaving the game when they're overlooked by the 3 teams in SEQ. Not all kids want to move interstate at such a young age.

The Dolphins' introduction has made the Broncos stronger and added 275k more ticket sales to the game.

Like I've been saying for ages, there's a reason AwFuL are targeting Ipswich and Logan instead of Redcliffe. Richardson spoke about this.

AwFuL is currently working with developers to have fumbleball posts built at newly constructed schools.
 

NRLMad

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I don’t understand this. Anyone assuming rationalisation is a good idea is a fool. We need the teams we have. Sydney blanket coverage is what we have and need. This is the reason why the AFL is not progressing. Swans are not bigger than Parra, Souths, Dogs or many other teams.

Dogs, Tigers, Dragons have huge followings - and we have all had shite years for the last 3 years. When the Sydney clubs rise the tv audiences will rise a lot more.

If the Tigers were to die (which will never occur) anything from Ryde, Balmain, Drummoyne, Concord, and the entire inner west would be lost to the AFL. This would play straight into the AFL’s hands. It will never occur.

With the Bears previous demise - We lost Nth Sydney, Mosman, Cremorne, Kitribilli, NorthBridge, Willoughby to over the spit.

Do people understand how rich these suburbs are? You just need a few benefactors and they are the richest club in Sydney. We need to retake it back and plough resources back into the growth of that rivalry with manly, plus roosters vs the fibros - games at nth Sydney would sell out x2-3 per year, could play 4-6 in png, with a few elsewhere

In order I have the next 3 options:
- Bears/png/pacifica (govt, nth sydney, juniors)
- NZ 2 (rivalry, juniors, kiwi/samoa/fiji/intl game)
- Perth (Timezone, national footprint)

That would be the ideal scenario. It will bring Sydney down to a more sustainable amount of teams and make Brisbane a fortress with the representation it deserves. It will leave three spots up for grabs. It won't happen though.
 
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