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Nah, we got rid of most of the sheep, it’s all about cows these daysAnd a few 100 sheep![]()
Nah, we got rid of most of the sheep, it’s all about cows these daysAnd a few 100 sheep![]()
And Bear'sNah, we got rid of most of the sheep, it’s all about cows these days
Effective population of around half a million (in terms of people close enough to be active supporters). Christchurch is roughly the same.Wellington is a little larger than Canberra population wise?
Given mr V’landys comments today, it could now be a prize to partner with the Bears to gain entry to the NRL..Building a NZ Bear'steam
Well, Christchurch loves it's red & black teams...Given mr V’landys comments today, it could now be a prize to partner with the Bears to gain entry to the NRL..
Whoever the Bears choose probably get in. Perth Bears, South Island Bears, PNG Bears.
The South Island bid doesn't have a moniker... could it be?
Could probably double that if you include neighbouring provinces in Wellingtons caseEffective population of around half a million (in terms of people close enough to be active supporters). Christchurch is roughly the same.
Bit of a furphy regional connections though. once you get more than an hour from the stadium the active fan interest level drops off dramatically.Could probably double that if you include neighbouring provinces in Wellingtons case
That’s true but there is a precedence with the way the super rugby franchises are set up to incorporate provinces- in this case Hurricanes Territory that would be a fairly easy model to copyBit of a furphy regional connections though. once you get more than an hour from the stadium the active fan interest level drops off dramatically.
Incorrect as always from youThe Bears brand no longer appeals to anyone under 50.
It just doesn't have any value outside North Shore boomers
Wellington is a little larger than Canberra population wise?
Wellington itself has about 220k, while the ACT (effectively Canberra) has just under 470k.Effective population of around half a million (in terms of people close enough to be active supporters). Christchurch is roughly the same.
Ahh ok, Wellington feels a lot more like a city than Canberra to me.Wellington itself has about 220k, while the ACT (effectively Canberra) has just under 470k.
Add in the broader metro and surrounding regions and Wellington is about 440k give or take, while Canberra/Queanbeyan alone is closer to 500k. Add in other towns in the direct region and Canberra is probably closer to 520k give or take. It depends a lot on where you draw line, and that's extremely heavily debated on ACT/NSW border.
So it's actually the other way around and Canberra is a bit larger than Wellington. Canberra and surrounding regions are growing faster as well.
NQ only works because a)there is a decent enough surronding regional population to augment Townsville b) League has always been no1 in the region.I guess we could assume that Wellington and Christchurch are both big enough to sustain teams especially when you consider Townsville has a team.
Sounds like WABit of a furphy regional connections though. once you get more than an hour from the stadium the active fan interest level drops off dramatically.
Imagine how they're gunna go with the 18th team being based in neighbouring hotspot cairns, hey, hey, hey... lets go!!!NQ only works because a)there is a decent enough surronding regional population to augment Townsville b) League has always been no1 in the region.
Even then, the Cowboys have gone bust previously.
Wellingtons population is a bit misleading at 220k this doesn’t include the likes of the Hutt Valley/Porirua and surrounding suburbs which are for admin purposes classes as seperate cities however they are suburbs of Wellington in reality as there is no break in housing etc between them. It’s akin to judging Sydney’s population on the cbd and a few inner west suburbs rather than what’s counted in the 5m odd it’s like someone saying they don’t live in Sydney because they live in ParramattaWellington itself has about 220k, while the ACT (effectively Canberra) has just under 470k.
Add in the broader metro and surrounding regions and Wellington is about 440k give or take, while Canberra/Queanbeyan alone is closer to 500k. Add in other towns in the direct region and Canberra is probably closer to 520k give or take. It depends a lot on where you draw line, and that's extremely heavily debated on ACT/NSW border.
So it's actually the other way around and Canberra is a bit larger than Wellington. Canberra and surrounding regions are growing faster as well.
" active fan intrest " " drops off dramatically"?Bit of a furphy regional connections though. once you get more than an hour from the stadium the active fan interest level drops off dramatically.
There is about 2mill within an hour of HBF thoughSounds like WA
The NZ context isn't irrelevant at all, this is a thread discussing the next NZ team, what is irrelevant is bringing up Perth, Adelaide or Brisbane/SEQ in this discussion.The Phoenix don't refute shit, and the NZ context is totally irrelevant when any NZ bid will need to be capable of being competitive with the standards of the Australian NRL market to make themselves an attractive prospect in the NRL. In other words they'll have to show themselves to have the potential to be a stronger market commercially than potential teams in places like Perth, Adelaide, a 4th team in Brisbane/SEQ, etc.
And you can keep repeating yourself, but outside of your little leech state Wellington's reputation as a sports market is that it's small potatoes with a fickle fanbase. Is what it is.
In ideal conditions Wellington would be comparable to the smallest of regional sides in Australia, but conditions won't be ideal. It's a competitive market where RL is unlikely to be the big ticket in town for the foreseeably future, and I think it's probably fair to suggest that an NRL side there would probably be most comparable to a team like the Brumbies; capable of pulling a crowd when things are going well, but the tough times are going to be really tough until RL grows and cements itself in the market.
bit simplisitc tbh. Cowboys have struggled in past to be sustainable and also relied on pokies to cover their losses. Also RL in Townsville is the #1 sport where as it isnt in Wellington, lastly Cowboys have an amazing corporate portfolio (probably due to being the only major sports club in NQ) which again Wellington may struggle to match.Ahh ok, Wellington feels a lot more like a city than Canberra to me.
I guess we could assume that Wellington and Christchurch are both big enough to sustain teams especially when you consider Townsville has a team.
I was just looking up Cronulla too and found that area is only around 220k.
Could we say that the base population to sustain an NRL club starts at around 200k?
Its not rocket scientist! How many fans do you think travel more than 60mins to a stadium every game?" active fan intrest " " drops off dramatically"?
Was there a survey or something that indicated as such?