Burt v Hayne - The Stats

[hineyrulz]

:lol: saying that burts real strength is his barking of orders is much like when we talk about fat chicks, in that to salavage some hope we say they've got a nice heart and great personality:lol:

All fullbacks talk behing the line, and burts stats arent as superior as haynes in attack and defense, so i guess haynes words are more constructive hence the stats.

stats mean everything

:lol:

 

[Eelementary]

How come they still did better with Hayne at fullback last year?

If Burt's only real strength is his 'barking of orders' then why don't we just put him in a trainers jersey and give him some water bottles....

Who said his 'only' strength is barking orders from the back?

How about you watch some footage and watch how Burt chimes into the attack and actually creates opportunities with passes.

Nobody is denying that Hayne is a good fullback. The only difference here is that some of us know Burt is going to be kept at fullback (and he hasn't done anything terribly wrong to be dropped), whilst others refuse to acknowledge it and move on.

And by the way, I love this whole argument about Hayne being so brilliant. He's done f**k all for two years now apart from whinge and bitch that he wants to play at fullback. He needs to stfu, toughen the f**k up and do what he's told.

 

[Eelementary]

:lol: saying that burts real strength is his barking of orders is much like when we talk about fat chicks, in that to salavage some hope we say they've got a nice heart and great personality:lol:

All fullbacks talk behing the line, and burts stats arent as superior as haynes in attack and defense, so i guess haynes words are more constructive hence the stats.

stats mean everything

Not really.

Hindy makes 50+ tackles a game - how many of those as second or third man in?

Stats paint half the picture. But if your bias swings one way or another you'll never see it.

I also find it intriguing nobody from the pro-Hayne brigade has bothered to acknowledge that Burt has some superior aspects to Hayne in terms of fullback play that, should Hayne REALLY be that keen on playing fullback, he should try to improve his game as much as possible.

You can try and make Jarryd the victim and say stuff like, "Oh, it's because Burty is the coach's pet that poor widdle Jawwed can't play fullback!" but he is clearly doing/not doing something right by the coach's mind. Perhaps it is an attitude problem - even you Hayne-lovers must see he has huge tickets on himself.

 

[Eelementary]

We're still leaking plenty of points too.

What, three tries a game is plenty? If the team could actually attack it wouldn't look half as bad.

 

[Eelementary]

Maybe he can order himself to catch kicks on the full and chew up easy metres to make the forwards job easier.

He picks it up on the 5th bounce and throws a ball across field to a winger. For a net gain of about 5metres. Does my head in!

I think everyone agrees he isnt the best fullback in the club (cept HahaHolloywood), the only argument is his gettin a run coz we dont have other centres / 5/8ths capable of making Burt redundent. We didnt have another halfback either. Thanks Hagan, legacy lives on!

I don't think you'll find anyone defending the fact he lets bombs bounce.

But he can run the ball back as hard as he wants - in this day and age you're often met, as a fullback, by 2 or 3 defenders at least. Burt will always be pushed back, no matter how hard he runs. So why not take advantage of bigger wingers for that?

I'm not his biggest fan, by any means. But I'm looking at it all with more objectivity than a lot of people. He's far from perfect, fine. But you're kidding if you think he's the sole reason we're losing games at the moment.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Not really.

Hindy makes 50+ tackles a game - how many of those as second or third man in?

Stats paint half the picture. But if your bias swings one way or another you'll never see it.

I also find it intriguing nobody from the pro-Hayne brigade has bothered to acknowledge that Burt has some superior aspects to Hayne in terms of fullback play that, should Hayne REALLY be that keen on playing fullback, he should try to improve his game as much as possible.

You can try and make Jarryd the victim and say stuff like, "Oh, it's because Burty is the coach's pet that poor widdle Jawwed can't play fullback!" but he is clearly doing/not doing something right by the coach's mind. Perhaps it is an attitude problem - even you Hayne-lovers must see he has huge tickets on himself.

\so what are they? only stats i care about are win/loss as welll defense/offense, last i saw Hayne was far superior?

ele join the brigade quickly cause like a porno u know whats happning in the end

 

[Eelementary]

I have no issues with Hayne at fullback. I reckon he'd kill it.

But I also see that Burt, while not perfect, has some aspects I'd like to see Hayne pick up.

For instance, against the Dragons a few times Burt took on the line and then spread the ball wide and, were it not for our lack of quality finishers out wide that night, we may have scored.

If Hayne can learnt to do what Burty does in attack in that regard he will be unstoppable and we'll be cheering.

I'm a fan of Hayne. Massive talent. Don't get me wrong. But he must be doing something to mean that he isn't getting chosen at fullback. I know Burt is popular with his peers, fans and coaching staff. But Anderson is a smart man - I am positive he can see that Hayne would be a great fullback. He obviously just sees a problem or two he needs to iron out first.

 

[Stagger eel]

is it too much to ask for a sensible debate? or does it always have to turn into a dick measuring contest?

oh well...I'll wait for the next installment of the Burt V Hayne contest...this is now past it's used by date.

 

[Twizzle]

is it too much to ask for a sensible debate? or does it always have to turn into a dick measuring contest?

oh well...I'll wait for the next installment of the Burt V Hayne contest...this is now past it's used by date.

more like arse kissing if you ask me

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Hey HJ, i hammered you in our burt/hayne argument on friday night haha

Yeah, if you were so victorious why did you feel the need to ring me at 4:30 this morning and blabber on about Burt and Hayne?

You've got nothing.

In addition to my previous posts - in regards to defense, just do what other teams have done and chuck the small half on the wing to defend. Grothe or Smith can be shoved into the middle. I mean, Burt defended on the wing for many years so he'll know what he's doing...

 

[SDM]

Wendell would have scored 4 tries if Burt marked up on him.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Yeah, if you were so victorious why did you feel the need to ring me at 4:30 this morning and blabber on about Burt and Hayne?

You've got nothing.

In addition to my previous posts - in regards to defense, just do what other teams have done and chuck the small half on the wing to defend. Grothe or Smith can be shoved into the middle. I mean, Burt defended on the wing for many years so he'll know what he's doing...

:lol: that was gold!!!! i just wanted me to be the first voice you hear in the morning:lol:

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Wendell would have scored 4 tries if Burt marked up on him.

That's not necessarily true. Wendell plays on the right which is our left side defense, which means he's aiming up at Inu and Tautai - you know, just like he actually did.

If we feel there is a big, powerful winger that might get the better of Burt, switch him to the other side. If it's Tautai playing then he can be shoved into the second row for defense, whereas if Joel is playing then Inu can be pushed in (he's bigger than Joel).

Actually, just rotate Burt from left to right so that a) the three-quarters get rotated in terms of who gets pushed in and b) opposition can't run a game plan around it.

 

[attamarrap]

Im pretty sure long range tries have just a little bit to do with speed..

i'm pretty sure hayne has scored a few long range tries in his time 2 in the last 3 weeks

 

[Hindyscrack]

Which has been my argument all along.

Get rid of Burt and you get rid of second man play and our best all 'round kicker (40-20, back up, goalkicker). No one else in the team can do any of these things (except goals) let alone all of them like Burt does.

You are saying that without Burt the team is unable to execute a second man play? What a load of bollocks, a well coached under 16's team would have no problem.To tell me an NRL side would be unable to execute this play without Burt, please.

Can someone bring up Burts 40-20 stats too, I doubt if he would have more then 5 in his career.

 

[SDM]

I think someone said hes only kicked 1.

 

[caylo]

You are saying that without Burt the team is unable to execute a second man play? What a load of bollocks, a well coached under 16's team would have no problem.To tell me an NRL side would be unable to execute this play without Burt, please.

Can someone bring up Burts 40-20 stats too, I doubt if he would have more then 5 in his career.

Luke Burt has kicked 6 40/20s in his career BUT 4 of those came in 2005, and 1 since then. Luke burt kicked one in 2002, and one in 2008. Tim Smith was critized for living on past glory from 2005, but Burt has been noted as a 40/20 kicker and basically for doing it 4 times in 2005... and funnly enough twice in one game. It definatly shows that Burt is not a consistant 40/20 kicker and since his periminate move to fullback in 2007 has kicked 1 40/20 in 39 games.

 

[yy_cheng]

BUt he barks orders from the back

 

[Hindyscrack]

So Burt Busters have proven

- He isnt a 40/20 guru
- Isnt the second man play linch pin
- Barks orders at the defensive line (just as any full back should)

I'd hate to use the line of Phil Rothfield, but we've held on to a lemon for 10 years now. There was a 6 month period in his career that I felt he was about to show his potential, but then he went and got injured.

If you are going to play J Hayne anywhere in the team, I'd prefer him at fullback. I'm sure Lukes been a great clubman, but I cant wait for the day I no longer have to watch him tip toe and get rag dolled around in the blue and gold.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

So Burt Busters have proven

- He isnt a 40/20 guru
- Isnt the second man play linch pin
- Barks orders at the defensive line (just as any full back should)

I'd hate to use the line of Phil Rothfield, but we've held on to a lemon for 10 years now. There was a 6 month period in his career that I felt he was about to show his potential, but then he went and got injured.

If you are going to play J Hayne anywhere in the team, I'd prefer him at fullback. I'm sure Lukes been a great clubman, but I cant wait for the day I no longer have to watch him tip toe and get rag dolled around in the blue and gold.

:lol:

They already proved the Finch myth:lol: