Choose Roos skipper now

[Mighty Tiger]

Lockyer WILL BE the Australian captain barring injury people. There IMO is no point arguing as this is a closed discussion.

So what happens if he is injured and isn't avaliable to play for Australia next year ???

 

[Broncodroid]

Perhaps we will then start a thread, "Lockyer is injured, who should be Australian stand-in skipper for the time being?" ;-)

 

[Razor]

If they smash the yanks by 60 what then?

They win by 60.

So what?

You think it's better to win only by 12 when f**king around, than winning by a bigger margin and playing properly?

If the US Ice Hockey team came over to play the Australian Ice Hockey team would you want to see the US showing their skills, or stuffing around?

You'd want them to show their skill. The Australians showed no respect to their opponents or the American public who paid money to watch them play.

 

[Mr Saab]

they smash them by 60 and we have the media (and no doubt you) saying it was a waste of time and hinders the development of league in the USA.
Australia were playing razzle dazzle football but the passes came unstuck. If they stuck like they did vs the Poms (44-4) then it would have been a smashing just the way you would wanted it to be.
Lockyer to captain australia until he retires...he is a true leader unlike angry man johns.
Speaking of Johns, i see him sometimes laughing and carrying on the football field when the knights are winning (when they are losing he throws temper tantrums :roll: ) but thats ok isnt he...cause he is a newcastle boy and newcastle do no wrong do they :roll:

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Lockyer should be captain.

Ok select him now what happens if he is injured and isn't avaliable to play a match for Australia next year ???

I agree that he should be captain however how does it tarnish the game if he is not selected at the moment and is selected when he has passed a fitness test and the side has been named to represent our country ???

And for that stupid person bagging out that USA Match. Yeah thats smart, so they are laughing on the field, have you ever watched American Football? Do u see the sh*t and antics that go on there, and your complaining about laughing? Grow up!.

Last I checked this was an international match between Australia and USA and not a weekly clash!

I wonder what your thoughts would be if the USA Basketball side came here and laughed at us throughout the anthem and throughout the game treating the Aussies like idiots, what about an NFL side taking on Australia or NHL side taking on Australia, how about a MLB side taking us on ???

At the end of the day we are the 1st to jump up and down when the Americans big note themselves towards us I.E Swimming, Athletes, Tennis etc however when we go out and do it in the 1 sport that we are miles infront of them in it is deemed to be accetable - Tell me Why that should be the case ???

If Australia went out and won 100-0 yeah, that would have been great in promoting rugby league in USA isn't it. God. At least a close score will promote it.

Sure a close score would however not if the Australian players talk throughout the Anthem and then continue to show disresepect towards the USA side by laughing at them whilst getting thrashed - yeah thats a great way to promote the game in the US isn't it halfwitt :roll:

 

[Johns Magic]

Lockyer to captain australia until he retires...he is a true leader unlike angry man johns.
Speaking of Johns, i see him sometimes laughing and carrying on the football field when the knights are winning (when they are losing he throws temper tantrums ) but thats ok isnt he...cause he is a newcastle boy and newcastle do no wrong do they

My god you're a biased individual.

Lockyer is not a leader. He is quiet and does not lead from the front. He sits back and lets others(e.g. Webcke, Kimmorley) do the captaincy work for him.

Johns throws temper tantrums??? It's called being passionate about winning. When the Knights are losing or in need of a boost, Johns is the one who steps up. Makes the big tackle, sets up the try, or scores himself.

That last sentence you wrote is just plain dumb and ignorant.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

they smash them by 60 and we have the media (and no doubt you) saying it was a waste of time and hinders the development of league in the USA.

How would that hinder the development of Rugby League ???

Please tell me how talking through the anthem and laughing whilst loosing dosn't hinder the development of league in the USA ???

 

[Mr Saab]

Lockyer to captain australia until he retires...he is a true leader unlike angry man johns.
Speaking of Johns, i see him sometimes laughing and carrying on the football field when the knights are winning (when they are losing he throws temper tantrums ) but thats ok isnt he...cause he is a newcastle boy and newcastle do no wrong do they

My god you're a biased individual.

Lockyer is not a leader. He is quiet and does not lead from the front. He sits back and lets others(e.g. Webcke, Kimmorley) do the captaincy work for him.

Johns throws temper tantrums??? It's called being passionate about winning. When the Knights are losing or in need of a boost, Johns is the one who steps up. Makes the big tackle, sets up the try, or scores himself.

That last sentence you wrote is just plain dumb and ignorant.

lockyer is quiet is he? you know that for a fact do you. Just because we see Johns throw his mouth guard, or GIVE it to his dummyhalf because of poor service doesnt mean he is a leader. Yeah thats GREAT leadership.
Wally Lewis was passionate, but there are no stories of him berating his team mates.
Walking around with a cast or neck breace is also good leadership :roll:
Yeah johns steps up alright...and then steps straight into an ACL tear.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

lockyer is quiet is he? you know that for a fact do you. Just because we see Johns throw his mouth guard, or GIVE it to his dummyhalf because of poor service doesnt mean he is a leader. Yeah thats GREAT leadership.

So Lockyer dosn't throw any tantrums nor does he say anything that wouldn't proclaim him in your eyes as the perfect role model ???

Wally Lewis was passionate, but there are no stories of him berating his team mates.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Where to start :lol: :lol: :lol:

Walking around with a cast or neck breace is also good leadership :roll: Yeah johns steps up alright...and then steps straight into an ACL tear.

So now your saying that a player who is injured isn't a good leader :roll: So why are you talking so highly of Lockyer then ???

 

[Johns Magic]

Lockyer to captain australia until he retires...he is a true leader unlike angry man johns.
Speaking of Johns, i see him sometimes laughing and carrying on the football field when the knights are winning (when they are losing he throws temper tantrums ) but thats ok isnt he...cause he is a newcastle boy and newcastle do no wrong do they

My god you're a biased individual.

Lockyer is not a leader. He is quiet and does not lead from the front. He sits back and lets others(e.g. Webcke, Kimmorley) do the captaincy work for him.

Johns throws temper tantrums??? It's called being passionate about winning. When the Knights are losing or in need of a boost, Johns is the one who steps up. Makes the big tackle, sets up the try, or scores himself.

That last sentence you wrote is just plain dumb and ignorant.

lockyer is quiet is he? you know that for a fact do you. Just because we see Johns throw his mouth guard, or GIVE it to his dummyhalf because of poor service doesnt mean he is a leader. Yeah thats GREAT leadership.
Wally Lewis was passionate, but there are no stories of him berating his team mates.
Walking around with a cast or neck breace is also good leadership :roll:
Yeah johns steps up alright...and then steps straight into an ACL tear.

You can see that Lockyer is a quiet man, who doesn't lead from the front foot. Two years in a row in the Tri-Nations the Kangaroos have looked like a bunch of lost sheep on the field. It took them a long time to get it together with Lockyer at the helm.

What's wrong with walking around with a neck brace on when you have a broken neck? Tallis did it too.

As a supporter, you want to see your captain getting stuck into his players if they are not performing. If no personal insults take place(which they didn't), then it is good to see. You want your players to perform don't you? Sometimes it is the best method of getting absolutely everything out of your players.

Yeah Johns does step up. But what do his injuries have to do with his leadership abilities? Lockyer gets injured. So does Tallis. Webcke, Tate, Berrigan, etc.

He is an outspoken man who hates losing, and will do almost anything to prevent it.

 

[Stranger]

You say lockyer is captain and buderus was filling in but after all this time isnt lockyer filling in for joey?

So now your saying that a player who is injured isn't a good leader So why are you talking so highly of Lockyer then ???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Mr Saab]

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You can see that Lockyer is a quiet man, who doesn't lead from the front foot. Two years in a row in the Tri-Nations the Kangaroos have looked like a bunch of lost sheep on the field. It took them a long time to get it together with Lockyer at the helm.

of course they looked like lost sheep in 2003...they played the test minus alot of star players.
Of but of course Johns in the answer to allllllllllllllllll of australias problems. Johns is sooo great he might even be able to solve the drought, de forestation, oil prices, and even fix the ozone layer....Johns is mr fixit isnt he.
Which player stood up and led the team to victory 2003? Lockyer.
Lockyer in 2004? they started slow, even lost a game when he didnt play. He comes back and what happens? they blitz it 38-0 in one half...a half many say (fulton as an eg) is the greatest 40 min of all time

 

[JW]

My god you're a biased individual.

No need to accuse other posters of bias when clearly you seem to be the same.

Lockyer is not a leader. He is quiet and does not lead from the front. He sits back and lets others(e.g. Webcke, Kimmorley) do the captaincy work for him.

You can see that Lockyer is a quiet man, who doesn't lead from the front foot.

Since when are one's captaincy abilities and leadership qualities defined by how much he yells and screams at players to 'rev' them up?

Lockyer leads by his actions and by example.

You need look no further than the Tri-Nations final for proof.

Cheers.

 

[Johns Magic]

of course they looked like lost sheep in 2003...they played the test minus alot of star players.

They had no leadership.

Of but of course Johns in the answer to allllllllllllllllll of australias problems. Johns is sooo great he might even be able to solve the drought, de forestation, oil prices, and even fix the ozone layer....Johns is mr fixit isnt he.

I never said that. What I did say is that he is a much better captain than Lockyer. Please stop making things up to suit your argument.

Which player stood up and led the team to victory 2003?

Brett Kimmorley

Lockyer in 2004? they started slow, even lost a game when he didnt play. He comes back and what happens? they blitz it 38-0 in one half...a half many say (fulton as an eg) is the greatest 40 min of all time

It took them a whole series under Lockyer to reach their potential? What's with that?

 

[JW]

It took them a whole series under Lockyer to reach their potential? What's with that?

And what series' of similar type and length has Andrew Johns captained that you can compare to Lockyer's captaincy?

Are you also aware that Darren Lockyer missed much of the series due to injury?

Cheers.

 

[Johns Magic]

Lockyer leads by his actions and by example.

If captaincy was all about actions and examples, then why isn't Hindmarsh or Webcke captain? Their actions are more inspiring than Lockyer's.

Since when are one's captaincy abilities and leadership qualities defined by how much he yells and screams at players to 'rev' them up?

Since talking and communication with your players became a necessity of captaincy?

 

[Razor]

But what do his injuries have to do with his leadership abilities?

Don't worry JM, Charlie just showed himself to be the person he really is by using very serious injuries as a way to knock a player.

He has no credibility at all now.

You want your captain to tell off your players if they're playing like shit. Lockyer did none of that when he should have.

If Johns isn't captain, Webcke should be the captain

Webcke would make a great captain.

So don't go on Mr Saab about my Knights bias. Lockyer is a great player, but a shit captain. Nothing against him, some players just don't have that.

 

[Johns Magic]

It took them a whole series under Lockyer to reach their potential? What's with that?

And what series' of similar type and length has Andrew Johns captained that you can compare to Lockyer's captaincy?

Cheers.

Under Johns we smashed the Kiwis by a similar margin in the Anzac Test in 2003. It took him all of one game. They looked like well lead unit.

Next year, Lockyer leads them in the first Tri-Nations, and we hardly manage a draw.

 

[Razor]

Lockyer leads by his actions and by example.

You need look no further than the Tri-Nations final for proof.

And everyone says Lockyer single handidly won that match. Which means all the reporters felt that the other players form was very poor that they would have made a 40+ margin difference if one player wasn't there. I'm not saying I agree Australia would have lost, but the Brisbane media did

That's more proof of a very poor captain. He has to inspire his other players to perform great, not just perform great themselves.

 

[Razor]

Next year, Lockyer leads them in the first Tri-Nations, and we hardly manage a draw.

With a very weakened NZ side