Combined Brothers bid

[Stormwarrior]

The brothers bid seems to be by far the best of all the Brisbane expansion bid teams. That being said tho, the western corridor NEEDS something. I know Ipswich brothers are with the Ipswich bid but weather some form of amalgamation can be found would I believe be best for everyone.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Leprechauns?

seriously?

Leprechauns???

They should be canned for coming up with that alone.

why not the Bald Eagle, Aardvarks, Toucans, Rattlesnakes, Polar Bears, Loch Ness Monsters, Abominal Snowmen, Yeti's, Happy Poms, Rational American's or some other fictional, Unaustralian mascot concept.

Leprechaun's...

That wasn't the work of some marketing team fella, it has been the emblem of the organisation long before they were marketing tools.

 

[madunit]

But in this case you actually have a team that's said it's going to be playing home games outside of Brisbane.

I put the use of the term 'Queensland' on par with 'Auckland's rebranding as the 'New Zealand' Warriors and they've seen benefits as a result. The Kiwis haven't suffered because of that change.

How many Home games do the "New Zealand" Warriors play outside of Auckland, furthermore, outside of the North Island?

The answer is 6.

In their 19th season now and on average they play 1 game every 3 years in the south island.

As I recall, and happy to be corrected, The Warriors changed their name not for the benefit of the Kiwi's, but because the Auckland Warriors were a financial basketcase and died. Eric Watson created a new Franchise called the New Zealand Warriors which essentially took over the Auckland side.

 

[madunit]

That wasn't the work of some marketing team fella, it has been the emblem of the organisation long before they were marketing tools.

I know that. It's just absurd though.

Change the mascot to something different, and much better, for the NRL bid side.

They won't lose any fan base.

 

[Perth Red]

given their catholic church links maybe the Q'land kiddyfiddlers would be more appropriate?

Bit non descript but if they are serious about linking in with all the fraternity around the country then maybe just the NRL Brothers Rugby league club?

I can certainly see a correlation between this and what happened in Perth with AFL, Eagles were the Broncos corporate mega machine, Dockers were the working mans grass roots club. Worked well with that pojnt of difference though Dockers will never be bigger than Eagles and I very much doubt the brothers would ever be bigger than the Broncos but that in itself is good, david and goliath and all that.

 

[Desert Qlder]

I know that. It's just absurd though.

Change the mascot to something different, and much better, for the NRL bid side.

They won't lose any fan base.

People who want that kind of flippancy already have a club to follow, the Broncos.

Those who want a little more depth and appreciation of history will be able to follow the Brethren.

 

[madunit]

Appreciating history by abandoning the competition they've always been in to chase the big bucks.

sure thing

 

[madunit]

given their catholic church links maybe the Q'land kiddyfiddlers would be more appropriate?

Bit non descript but if they are serious about linking in with all the fraternity around the country then maybe just the NRL Brothers Rugby league club?

I can certainly see a correlation between this and what happened in Perth with AFL, Eagles were the Broncos corporate mega machine, Dockers were the working mans grass roots club. Worked well with that pojnt of difference though Dockers will never be bigger than Eagles and I very much doubt the brothers would ever be bigger than the Broncos but that in itself is good, david and goliath and all that.

Isn't there essentially 2 Davids (Cowboys, Titans) and a Goliath already?

 

[Desert Qlder]

Appreciating history by abandoning the competition they've always been in to chase the big bucks.

sure thing

Fairly certain now you do not know what you are talking about.

 

[Perth Red]

Isn't there essentially 2 Davids (Cowboys, Titans) and a Goliath already?

yes but if you live in Brisbane you are not likely to be attending these teams every game. This is about a second brisbane team for the people of risbane who don;t support the Broncos to get behind. From that point of view a significant difference may help attract a new fanbase to the NRL games being held at Suncorp.

 

[Tone83]

The main thing I like about this bid is how it doesn't limit itself to one city/town/region. Its just brothers which are spread about the place. They could set up a home base in brisbane or ipswich or wherever, thats fine, just don't mention it in the team name because its only limitting the girth of your umbrella.

I honestly think the brothers bid needn't replace any other, could easily coexist with another brisbane team or ipswich. These bids should be organic and in response to demand. Ie not like the bombers. The bombers are awful, but that isn't to say brisbane couldn't accomodate 3 or 4 teams. Especially if you think outside the box (and borders) like brothers. I still like my idea of a "south pacific" team which could set up camp in brisbane but represent Png (and play there a few times a year and do community work there) and other pacific islands and be supported by anyone anywhere with a connection to the pacific.

 

[Perth Red]

Les Catalans are similar in their appeal to a region and culture rather just the town they are based in, though obviously they predominantly draw their fanbase from perpignan. A PI team could have a wide appeal though again it would probably end up as everyones 2nd team.

 

[gyallop]

Tone agree on Brothers being more of a feeded group but cant see a PI team based in Brisbane working at any level.
Brothers havent got a bid so people need to put things in perspective, seems we have a Gold Coast marketing man, that should say enough, spruiking about a possible bid, I know they are a religious based group but they will need Moses himself to come back to unite them and lead them to the promised land.
The other thing that constantly is tossed up by the Bombers and non Brisbane people is that half the city dont like the Broncos and will support another team..that was right in 90s during the super league but nearly 20 years of peace later that is dead up here as are most of the old ARL loyalists!! If I am wrong and the Bombers are right then Cronulla's woes are over , they just need play all their home games at Suncorp and they will average over 30,000 spectators

 

[docbrown]

Leprechauns?

seriously?

And yet it still wouldn't be the worst one in the NRL. I don't mind it, it's got strong heritage value.

But Brothers do not have to try to broaden their support base like the Warriors did, the support for them already exists in other centres because they have their own Brothers clubs there.

It seems to me that people from NSW don't appreciate just how strong the Brothers confraternity is in Queensland. It is a network of linked clubs that were all built on the same foundations. If you played for Brothers Townsville then that automatically makes you a fan of Brothers Brisbane.

I agree regarding their existing support base. But let's look at degrees of support -

* Convert every person with a previous/current Brothers affiliation into a Brothers NRL fan/member

* Convert every present and former BRL/QRL only supporters (those who didn't switch to NRL) into Brothers NRL fans/members

* Convert every rugby league fan in Brisbane and also Queensland that doesn't support the Broncos/Titans/Cowboys into Brothers NRL fans/members

* Convert non-rugby league fans to the code and into being Brothers NRL fans/members

They really should be marketing to all four groups.

As for people that hate Brothers, it'll increase their interest in rugby league as well. They'll watch/follow results to see if they fail or not on the field.

I know Ipswich brothers are with the Ipswich bid but weather some form of amalgamation can be found would I believe be best for everyone.

No matter which Brisbane bid makes the cut whoever gets in needs to have a plan for that team to capitalise on the growth in the South/West Brisbane corridor.

As I recall, and happy to be corrected, The Warriors changed their name not for the benefit of the Kiwi's, but because the Auckland Warriors were a financial basketcase and died. Eric Watson created a new Franchise called the New Zealand Warriors which essentially took over the Auckland side.

You're correct but regardless of how it came about the rebranding to 'New Zealand' has been beneficial.

I've said it before elsewhere but a 2nd New Zealand team should also have the 'New Zealand' branding for the same reasons.

 

[Diesel]

If a 2nd NZ comes in, the Warriors will revert back to being called "the Warriors"
And the 2nd team I can see being called "Southern" although if a second team was admitted and they could revert back to Auckland Warriors (not sure if that name is available) that wouldnt be a bad thing as NZ is about Auckland and non-Aucklanders

 

[madunit]

Fairly certain now you do not know what you are talking about.

I'm fairly certain you don't want to see an alternate view to your own.

Given the dismal attendances & membership number on the gold coast indicates people in brisbane are happy with one brisbane team. The short life of the Crushers is evidence of this also.

Gold Coast has failed several times before. Its hardly a roaring success now.

There are people who call for the number of Sydney teams to be cut, yet are all for having three teams between brisbane & the gold coast.

Arthurson was right all those years ago, we need a team in inland rural nsw.

A perth team is a must. A team from png or fiji should also be considered.

 

[docbrown]

If a 2nd NZ comes in, the Warriors will revert back to being called "the Warriors"

And the 2nd team I can see being called "Southern" although if a second team was admitted and they could revert back to Auckland Warriors (not sure if that name is available) that wouldnt be a bad thing as NZ is about Auckland and non-Aucklanders

They can still thrive of the Auckland vs non-Aucklanders rivalry even if they're both called 'New Zealand'.

It's more about ensuring that both clubs are marketed to gain nation wide support. As per what I said about the Brothers target groups, you'd want to make the end goal that every New Zealander sports fan is either a fan of the Warriors or NZ2. Let them choose which 'New Zealand' represents them the best.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Given the dismal attendances & membership number on the gold coast indicates people in brisbane are happy with one brisbane team. The short life of the Crushers is evidence of this also.

Gold Coast has failed several times before. Its hardly a roaring success now.

:lol:

Are you aware that Brisbane and the Gold Coast are two different cities? Because evidently you don't.

 

[madunit]

So instead of wanting a discussion, you want to act like a dickhead over semantics.
Yes i know they are different cities smartarse.

I am referring to the fact that there is really f**k all distance between the two.

One has a huge following, one has habitually struggled & failed over the same course of time.

Sticking a team between the two isn't going to help the team struggling already & its not certain a new team is going to have much of a different or bigger following than gold coast.

The crushers abysmal existence is a good guide as to how a second brisbane will function, just like the previous gold coast sides have proven to be a fairly good guide for the current side.

 

[Desert Qlder]

You are adding nothing to the debate because you don't know what you are talking about and are abusing people.

I mean come on, bringing up the Crushers to support your misguided notion that Brisbane couldn't support a second side? Not in the slightest bit relevant.