D day for Parramatta

[chigurh]

Here is my idea for clubs caught deliberately cheating the cap. Total up every game they are over...say if it's 3 years let's say 70 games they then are retroactively are stripped of the points from years gone by and it's added to this year's points table.

So the eels would go to -152ish and the minus would carry over each year until they get back into the positive with a salary cap compliant squad. So they win 10 games this year they move to -132 points.

When they get back into the positives in a decade they would have had no gain from their illegally built team. I'm mostly joking here lol

lol not bad. Maybe just tally up the games they won whilst over the cap rather than total games.

 

[Pete Cash]

Teams would end up defunct if that happened,nobody buying memberships,nobody buying merchandise,nobody turning up to games.

I know it would be too harsh but I'm trying to illustrate how much systematic cheating hurts the integrity of the nrl. Over 3 and a bit years there has been 150 points influenced by a team cheating and that team will be able to compete this year never mind next.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Here is my idea for clubs caught deliberately cheating the cap. Total up every game they are over...say if it's 3 years let's say 70 games they then are retroactively are stripped of the points from years gone by and it's added to this year's points table.

So the eels would go to -152ish and the minus would carry over each year until they get back into the positive with a salary cap compliant squad. So they win 10 games this year they move to -132 points.

When they get back into the positives in a decade they would have had no gain from their illegally built team. I'm mostly joking here lol

Geez, that's super harsh. If that wouldn't work nothing would.

I maintain that the idea I had when the Storm scandal broke in 2010.

They finish the season playing for no points, then every player contracted to the club on a top tier level has their contracts torn up. They must all leave the club and take out a new contract somewhere else. Another club in the NRL, England, Rugby, it doesn't matter. This would end the examples of clubs being punished and winning titles in the next couple of years as Canterbury and Melbourne both did.

Just somewhere else. This is a true and fair punishment because it would reduce the playing stocks back to zero, with the club left struggling to get a roster together with discards from other clubs who can snatch up the players that have been tossed out.

It would also leave the club open to legal action from the players who have been moved on - and that's a whole other level of legal trouble that no club would want.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

The Storms breach in 07 and 09 was less then Parra are over this year and they lost premierships. There is just no way this Parra team should be able to make the finals this year.

 

[--Storm--]

so $ 570k is worth 12 points. Does that mean when we get these breaches that happen at the end of every year this same formula will be used?

I expect that for every $ 47,500 any club is over the cap is a one point deduction.

Don't forget if you take away Watmough who hasn't played a single game this year they'd be under the cap so they haven't won those 12 points with a team on the park over the cap.

 

[siv]

Releasing low wage players wont help much because they just have to replace them with minimum wage under the cap.

Really the first thing the NRL should say is Jennings has to go for a start.

Which begs the question

How did he get regestered by the NRL if they were over the cap ?

 

[blaza88z]

They'll just shed Watmough and all will be sweet, I expect to see them winning the comp in the next 2-3 years with an illegally assembled squad, the short term pain will reward them with a premiership in the coming seasons, as it did with the Bulldogs and the Storm.

 

[redvscotty]

When Storm had to play the season for no points they played for "Points for Purpose" and raised $150,000 for charity.
They didn`t go the biff or play dirty.
Rorts of Corruptamatta on same level as Storm.
So whatever corruptamatta fans levelled at Storm team then they must be thinking the same things as their CHEATING team.

Nah, 3 contracts and a boat is far different to a few shady 3rd party deals.

Let's all listen in again how it was the player managers faults and then conveniently forget that some players manage themselves :roll::roll:

 

[some11]

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showpost.php?p=11449247&postcount=664

Anyone with an eye for PR would've seen it coming :lol:

 

[siv]

so $ 570k is worth 12 points. Does that mean when we get these breaches that happen at the end of every year this same formula will be used?

I expect that for every $ 47,500 any club is over the cap is a one point deduction.

It was $25k for the Dogs breach

Salary Cap was $3 mil its now $6 mil

So I guess the have applied Salary Cap indexation

 

[Game_Breaker]

Don't forget if you take away Watmough who hasn't played a single game this year they'd be under the cap so they haven't won those 12 points with a team on the park over the cap.

Every club has injuries, that's not really an argument

 

[Snappy]

so $ 570k is worth 12 points. Does that mean when we get these breaches that happen at the end of every year this same formula will be used?

I expect that for every $ 47,500 any club is over the cap is a one point deduction.

NO.

Systemic rorting of the cap over three years equals the punishment.

The fact is, it is 12 points is because Parra have won 6 games this year. They are unable to receive points for games they were over the cap.

If they had of only won 5 games it would be 10 points. Get it ?

 

[thorson1987]

Nah, 3 contracts and a boat is far different to a few shady 3rd party deals.

Let's all listen in again how it was the player managers faults and then conveniently forget that some players manage themselves :roll::roll:

Ignoring the fact that the player you are talking about actually didn't manage himself when the contract was sorted.

 

[thorson1987]

So the 12 points deduction, did that include the suspended 4 point deduction that hung over them over the off season if they didn't (and tgey actually didn't) become cap compliant?

 

[Snappy]

Nah, 3 contracts and a boat is far different to a few shady 3rd party deals.

:

This Parra saga is a lost worse than just 'a few shady TPA's'

 

[Bazal]

Thing is Baz... Everyone who is on the Parra board would be acutely aware that they have several people out there who want their spot. Some of these want to be's have fairly well placed friends still within the club.

So many people with an axe to grind who would undermine board members given any possible opening and still, some of these guys went ahead and oversaw a system of systematic cap rorting anyway.

Just plain stupid.

Not to mention it was a system put in place by the previous board they kept putting shit on. It's the same issue. They clearly wanted to be the board that saved the Eels for their own ego. Pathetic and stupid

Every other team should just refuse to take Parra players on this year as they are all contracted and other teams would have to fit them under their cap and with the position Parra is in they would not want to be paying any part of those contracts. If you are not getting a high quality player why would you bother taking on average players and helping the Eels out???

Really? At the end of the day this season is likely a write off. We have 15 or more players off contract end of season. Play for nothing but pride this year to potentially assemble and even better legal squad next year....could be worse

 

[Snappy]

So the 12 points deduction, did that include the suspended 4 point deduction that hung over them over the off season if they didn't (and tgey actually didn't) become cap compliant?

It's actually not a set number of points. It's that they cant get any points from games they have been over the cap this year, ie every game they have played. So they won 6 games, so it's 12 points gone

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

As long as they continue to put in, I don't care we never win titles anyway so I'll enjoy watching them ruin everyone else's chances of winning instead

 

[Shorty]

calculated risk

they could potentially still end up winning the premiership or at least dumping some other teams out of the finals

and there is always next year

as I said before I think a points deduction for next season as well would be more of a punishment

Is it ever.
They have basically got a slap on the wrist, they have a very competitive side and can still make the 8 by winning and shedding a few players.

I don't understand how any Parra fan can whinge about the 'punishment'.
Considering they were deceitful for several years and to the bitter end.
Man, Melb fans must be fuming!

 

[McNulty]

NO.

Systemic rorting of the cap over three years equals the punishment.

The fact is, it is 12 points is because Parra have won 6 games this year. They are unable to receive points for games they were over the cap.

If they had of only won 5 games it would be 10 points. Get it ?

I'm somewhat embarrassed for the bloke that you had to explain it.

Perhaps next time you could use sock puppets??