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Daily Telegraph: Feleti Mateo launches Eel attack

Captain BF

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Todays Sunday Telegraph reports that Parra offered $280,000.00 and the Warriors offer was $450,000.

I can't be bothered looking for the link, so feel free to delete this post if needed.
 

Tooooks

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If you could give Mateo the heart of Hindmarsh, you'd have the best forward in the game. I like Feleti, but he comes across as a bit of a pea heart who will never reach his full potential. Hope he proves me wrong.

Would've loved him to stay, but not for anywhere near what the Warriors reportedly gave him.
 

Bazal

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All I know is Feleti and INU are playing in the finals and we're not.

Clearly that's all you know...and nothing about the quality of the team around them comparitively. I'd kill for players like Lewis Brown, Kevin Locke, Shaun Johnson, James Maloney, Ukuma Ta'ai, Russell Packer, Sam Rapira, Simon Mannering, Manu Vatuvei, etc etc etc etc etc at Parramatta
 

lucablight

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For starters I didn't say "big bastards" (which implies 110kg+ front rowers), I said "big fast bastards" which implies edge forwards and outside backs of about 100kg.

Besides Joseph Paulo who arrived this year, we have a bunch of big fast bastards (I like to call them 'fastards') coming next year:

Willie Tonga
Esi Tonga
Taulima Tautai
Daniel Penese
Willie Mataka



Like who? Cayless and Grothe retired, Mateo and Inu wanted more than they're worth, Tahu thought he was too good for pre-season training, and Reddy is neither big nor fast.

In hindsight I don't think we should have kept any of them. Even at the time I trusted the management to be looking after their own best interests by looking after the team.



How do you know Mateo and his manager didn't want to test his value on the open market? For that matter, why should he stay at the Eels if he can get silly money somewhere else?

Finally, how do you know whether Mateo even fits into what we're trying to do here?

For all his talent, I don't think he's a good enough all-round player to fit into the kind of team Kearney's building. There's only room for one poor defender in your defensive line and for us that will be Sandow.



Statistically he was only ever our best forward if you ignored his defence; an area of his game in which he is below average. This is why he's never played Origin.

It's strange, because blokes with his size and footwork are usually excellent defenders. I think he lacks aggression and probably more than that, he always looks like he's saving his energy for when he gets the ball.

I don't see the relevance of the "big fast bastards" coming next year. All of those names that you mentioned apart from Willie Tonga are currently fringe first graders. The fact of the matter is that we have lost alot of quality experienced first graders and we haven't adequately replaced them all. Despite everyone saying we spent big the only proven quality players we've signed are Sandow and Tonga. The rest are debatable.

I think alot of people are missing the point when it comes to what I'm trying to say about Mateo. I know Mortimer was the it player at the time but why was he made a priority based on half a season? Why did we let go of Mateo if we were going to go into the season under the cap anyway? Might as well use that cap space to re-sign a match winner than no one at all. Re-signing Mortimer and Horo and signing up guy like Walker, Webb, hicks and Whatuira just shows recruitment priorities were whack.

I don't know if Mateo didn't want to test the market or not but I do know that the Eels management made re-signing other players a priority and during the Early season slump the CEO did say that player contract talks would be ceased. Just reading between the lines I can't help but feel that 100% effort was put in to try and retain him.

What exactly is Kearney trying to do here? Do you mean playing a one out brand of football with no second phase play? Or do you mean try and win a premiership with great attacking skills and flair? If you mean the second I'm sure he would have fit in just fine. In all fairness are Horo and Lasalo really that much better at defending? The edge defence this year was very poor.

I'll admit losing Inu was a case of bad luck and timing. His form in 2010 was poor but if the management had known we'd lose Tahu and Grothe things may have been different.
 

Maroubra Eel

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If the warriors get knocked out Mateo is shit.

If they go all the way it's because of all the other good players.
 

lingard

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Well said. Maloney has been the reason why the Warriors are where they are in the first place, not Mateo. When Parra finally have a halves pairing to be proud of, let's see how much we improve.

I am waiting for Inu and Mateo to have a lethargic shocker next game: they have had their 1 in 10 good game.

Ultimately, good luck to Inu and Mateo. It may have taken a move from the 'club they love' to play at above 65%


You might be right about Inu, but I think Mateo will have a blinder next week. He`s played well against Melbourne in the past and he has a history of really hitting his straps in big games. He could just be the difference next week.
 

lingard

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All I know is they weren't any f**king help last year or in 2008.


True. But Feliti played a big part in getting us into a position where we nearly won the 2009 grand final. He`s an enigma. And always will be. But I love watching him (and Inu), and I hope he puts on one of his great shows against Melbourne next week. Go Warriors!
 

lingard

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I don't see the relevance of the "big fast bastards" coming next year. All of those names that you mentioned apart from Willie Tonga are currently fringe first graders. The fact of the matter is that we have lost alot of quality experienced first graders and we haven't adequately replaced them all. Despite everyone saying we spent big the only proven quality players we've signed are Sandow and Tonga. The rest are debatable.

I think alot of people are missing the point when it comes to what I'm trying to say about Mateo. I know Mortimer was the it player at the time but why was he made a priority based on half a season? Why did we let go of Mateo if we were going to go into the season under the cap anyway? Might as well use that cap space to re-sign a match winner than no one at all. Re-signing Mortimer and Horo and signing up guy like Walker, Webb, hicks and Whatuira just shows recruitment priorities were whack.

I don't know if Mateo didn't want to test the market or not but I do know that the Eels management made re-signing other players a priority and during the Early season slump the CEO did say that player contract talks would be ceased. Just reading between the lines I can't help but feel that 100% effort was put in to try and retain him.

What exactly is Kearney trying to do here? Do you mean playing a one out brand of football with no second phase play? Or do you mean try and win a premiership with great attacking skills and flair? If you mean the second I'm sure he would have fit in just fine. In all fairness are Horo and Lasalo really that much better at defending? The edge defence this year was very poor.

I'll admit losing Inu was a case of bad luck and timing. His form in 2010 was poor but if the management had known we'd lose Tahu and Grothe things may have been different.

My take on it is that Daniel Anderson tried everything he could to get the silly mistakes out of Mateo`s game - and couldn`t. He even tried to stop him off-loading altogether for a time, but it didn`t work. So he let him go - or at least didn`t see that we should spend big money on him. And after Mortimer`s half season in 2009 I don`t think anyone could have predicted that he would plummet so badly and so permanently - so I don`t think his signing was a real bad decision. (Sticking with him in first grade through thick and thin was a real bad decision - but signing him wasn`t.) For some reason, Ivan Cleary has been able to get a lot more out of Mateo than his two previous coaches could - he`s a lot more selective with his attacking game now. As for Krisnan Inu - well, we waited and we waited and we waited for him to get his mojo back - and all that happened was he lost a lot of pace. To let him go was a no-brainer. I still like both players, but I think the decision to let them move on was the right one.
 

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