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Daily Telegraph: Feleti Mateo launches Eel attack

Poupou Escobar

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I don't see the relevance of the "big fast bastards" coming next year.

The relevance is that big fast bastards will address one of our biggest weaknesses this year - lack of speed+power on the edges.

Our other weakness this year - lack of direction and creativity - will be addressed by Sandow and Roberts.

All of those names that you mentioned apart from Willie Tonga are currently fringe first graders.

Which is why we were able to buy so many of them and still spend big on Tonga and Sandow.

The fact is we've massively improved our one-on-one ability on the edges just by adding speed and power. You might notice as well that all of these fringe first graders are young, bringing the possibility of improvement. And even the ones who don't walk into first grade next year will add to our club's depth.

Finally, these kinds of players (big, fast no-names) fit perfectly into the kind of football we're trying to play.

The fact of the matter is that we have lost alot of quality experienced first graders and we haven't adequately replaced them all. Despite everyone saying we spent big the only proven quality players we've signed are Sandow and Tonga. The rest are debatable.

We've also lost a lot of lazy, enigmatic deadshits in the past couple of years. Gone are several players with plenty of skill but who don't try hard enough.

In this day and age, Sandow and Tonga are brilliant signings to address our shortcomings (halves and centres). The rest of the newcomers - young unknowns - are exactly the kinds of players the successful clubs bring into their squads every year. We also have all the young players we re-signed this year who will play an important role in our squad in 2012.

Two high profile signings is enough.

I think alot of people are missing the point when it comes to what I'm trying to say about Mateo. I know Mortimer was the it player at the time but why was he made a priority based on half a season?

Because halves (and fullbacks and hookers) are more important than edge forwards. That's why Melbourne were happy to let everyone go (including Blair next year) as long as they kept Smith, Cronk and Slater.

They're happy to surround them with no-names.

Why did we let go of Mateo if we were going to go into the season under the cap anyway?

Because he would have wanted more than a one-year deal. And if we'd kept him we would have been unable to address the other shortfalls in our squad. If Mateo was under contract next year we either don't sign Sandow, or our depth suffers.

Edge forwards are a dime a dozen (we had so many we were able to play two of them at centre for half the season), which is why we've been able to sign about a dozen of them for next year.

Then there's the school of thought, epitomised by the Storm, that you don't pay elite money for anyone outside the team's spine (1, 6, 7, 9).

Mateo might be a special attacking player but he's a defensive weakness, and I put it to you that Smith, Lasalo, Maitua, and half (or more) of the new edge forwards coming next year are all better defenders than Feleti. And all on a lot less money.

Might as well use that cap space to re-sign a match winner than no one at all.

That's the kind of short-sighted thinking that got us into this mess.

At the time Mateo signed with the Warriors we needed halves more than anything, and the people in charge wanted to keep some cap space free to get one. That meant not paying Mateo the money he wanted.

As it turns out we had to wait a year to buy that halfback, but we were very lucky we were in a position, salary-cap-wise, to beat Souths' offer.

If we still had Mateo it wouldn't have happened.

Re-signing Mortimer and Horo and signing up guy like Walker, Webb, hicks and Whatuira just shows recruitment priorities were whack.

No, re-signing Mortimer was exactly what we needed to do. We were weak in the halves and here we found a young, home-grown one who was playing well. The club had no choice but to sign him. Nobody could have predicted he would die in the arse.

As for re-signing Horo, he gives us Mateo's shit defence, as well as half the attacking ability at half the price. It's a fair swap really. Under the salary cap you can't have the best players at every position, and Horo gives us a good enough first grade edge forward, while still allowing us to spend big in more important areas of the field (like halfback).

Anyway, Horo will almost certainly be coming off the bench all next year.

As for Webb, Walker, Hicks and Whatuira, none of them affected our salary cap past this year, meaning none of them stopped us signing new players for 2012 and beyond. Mateo certainly would have. Also, they all play different positions to Mateo, and were all signed to address perceived holes in the squad (replacing Cayless, Grothe and Tahu).

It would have been nice to be able to sign younger or better players but you don't get to choose who comes off contract each year. You can only sign the players available.

I don't know if Mateo didn't want to test the market or not but I do know that the Eels management made re-signing other players a priority and during the Early season slump the CEO did say that player contract talks would be ceased. Just reading between the lines I can't help but feel that 100% effort was put in to try and retain him.

Mate, you weren't 'reading between the lines'; you were taking everything at face value.

In the end, the club offered Mateo what they thought he was worth and another club offered more. We would have been idiots to match that, or at least desperate.

What exactly is Kearney trying to do here? Do you mean playing a one out brand of football with no second phase play? Or do you mean try and win a premiership with great attacking skills and flair? If you mean the second I'm sure he would have fit in just fine.

He coached the team to play to its strengths (which weren't many). That means he allowed one single player (guess who) to play what was in front of him, and everyone else played a clearly defined role.

That one player came equal first in the NRL for try assists and third for linebreak assists.

I think if we had played any less structured we would have been lucky not to lose by 50 every week.

Our only chance of a win this year was to dominate possession, and that means keeping the offloads to a minimum.

Next year, with more speed out wide and a dynamite attacking half, we'll be able to play with a lot more flair. But this year that kind of play would have only led to a downward possession spiral every week.

In all fairness are Horo and Lasalo really that much better at defending? The edge defence this year was very poor.

I think Horo's as bad as Mateo but like I've already said, he's on half the money. As for our edge defence, it was indeed poor but that's because we didn't have any centres (probably the most important defensive position on the field) for half the season.

I'll admit losing Inu was a case of bad luck and timing. His form in 2010 was poor but if the management had known we'd lose Tahu and Grothe things may have been different.

Definitely. To be honest I'd be happy to have Inu back but not on huge money.
 

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The relevance is that big fast bastards will address one of our biggest weaknesses this year - lack of speed+power on the edges.

Our other weakness this year - lack of direction and creativity - will be addressed by Sandow and Roberts.



Which is why we were able to buy so many of them and still spend big on Tonga and Sandow.

The fact is we've massively improved our one-on-one ability on the edges just by adding speed and power. You might notice as well that all of these fringe first graders are young, bringing the possibility of improvement. And even the ones who don't walk into first grade next year will add to our club's depth.

Finally, these kinds of players (big, fast no-names) fit perfectly into the kind of football we're trying to play.



We've also lost a lot of lazy, enigmatic deadshits in the past couple of years. Gone are several players with plenty of skill but who don't try hard enough.

In this day and age, Sandow and Tonga are brilliant signings to address our shortcomings (halves and centres). The rest of the newcomers - young unknowns - are exactly the kinds of players the successful clubs bring into their squads every year. We also have all the young players we re-signed this year who will play an important role in our squad in 2012.

Two high profile signings is enough.



Because halves (and fullbacks and hookers) are more important than edge forwards. That's why Melbourne were happy to let everyone go (including Blair next year) as long as they kept Smith, Cronk and Slater.

They're happy to surround them with no-names.



Because he would have wanted more than a one-year deal. And if we'd kept him we would have been unable to address the other shortfalls in our squad. If Mateo was under contract next year we either don't sign Sandow, or our depth suffers.

Edge forwards are a dime a dozen (we had so many we were able to play two of them at centre for half the season), which is why we've been able to sign about a dozen of them for next year.

Then there's the school of thought, epitomised by the Storm, that you don't pay elite money for anyone outside the team's spine (1, 6, 7, 9).

Mateo might be a special attacking player but he's a defensive weakness, and I put it to you that Smith, Lasalo, Maitua, and half (or more) of the new edge forwards coming next year are all better defenders than Feleti. And all on a lot less money.



That's the kind of short-sighted thinking that got us into this mess.

At the time Mateo signed with the Warriors we needed halves more than anything, and the people in charge wanted to keep some cap space free to get one. That meant not paying Mateo the money he wanted.

As it turns out we had to wait a year to buy that halfback, but we were very lucky we were in a position, salary-cap-wise, to beat Souths' offer.

If we still had Mateo it wouldn't have happened.



No, re-signing Mortimer was exactly what we needed to do. We were weak in the halves and here we found a young, home-grown one who was playing well. The club had no choice but to sign him. Nobody could have predicted he would die in the arse.

As for re-signing Horo, he gives us Mateo's shit defence, as well as half the attacking ability at half the price. It's a fair swap really. Under the salary cap you can't have the best players at every position, and Horo gives us a good enough first grade edge forward, while still allowing us to spend big in more important areas of the field (like halfback).

Anyway, Horo will almost certainly be coming off the bench all next year.

As for Webb, Walker, Hicks and Whatuira, none of them affected our salary cap past this year, meaning none of them stopped us signing new players for 2012 and beyond. Mateo certainly would have. Also, they all play different positions to Mateo, and were all signed to address perceived holes in the squad (replacing Cayless, Grothe and Tahu).

It would have been nice to be able to sign younger or better players but you don't get to choose who comes off contract each year. You can only sign the players available.



Mate, you weren't 'reading between the lines'; you were taking everything at face value.

In the end, the club offered Mateo what they thought he was worth and another club offered more. We would have been idiots to match that, or at least desperate.



He coached the team to play to its strengths (which weren't many). That means he allowed one single player (guess who) to play what was in front of him, and everyone else played a clearly defined role.

That one player came equal first in the NRL for try assists and third for linebreak assists.

I think if we had played any less structured we would have been lucky not to lose by 50 every week.

Our only chance of a win this year was to dominate possession, and that means keeping the offloads to a minimum.

Next year, with more speed out wide and a dynamite attacking half, we'll be able to play with a lot more flair. But this year that kind of play would have only led to a downward possession spiral every week.



I think Horo's as bad as Mateo but like I've already said, he's on half the money. As for our edge defence, it was indeed poor but that's because we didn't have any centres (probably the most important defensive position on the field) for half the season.



Definitely. To be honest I'd be happy to have Inu back but not on huge money.

Good read this, I agree with about 88% of it
 

Poupou Escobar

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Mateo once again shows he's a defensive liability on the edge. Storm long range try right on halftime, changes the game.

f**k you Feleti. This is the first finals game I've cared about since 2009.
 
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Mateo once again shows he's a defensive liability on the edge. Storm long range try right on halftime, changes the game.

f**k you Feleti. This is the first finals game I've cared about since 2009.

You have got to move on. I hope Mateo and Inu win the grand final. Top players!!
 

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Mateo once again shows he's a defensive liability on the edge. Storm long range try right on halftime, changes the game.

f**k you Feleti. This is the first finals game I've cared about since 2009.

I don't think you understand the game u dumb merkin. It's was brown that was at fault. Nice try anyway. Better luck next time.
 

Poupou Escobar

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You have got to move on. I hope Mateo and Inu win the grand final. Top players!!

I hope they win as well.

I just like saying I told you so when Feleti displays his shit defence.

That was Lewis Brown you dumb merkin!

It was Feleti's lack of footspeed that allowed Slater to get outside him. This coupled with the attackers wrapping outside Brown meant that Lewis Brown had too many things to worry about to commit to Beau Champion.

Fact is, Mateo's outside defenders don't trust him and rightly so.
 

IFR33K

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I hope they win as well.

I just like saying I told you so when Feleti displays his shit defence.



It was Feleti's lack of footspeed that allowed Slater to get outside him. This coupled with the attackers wrapping outside Brown meant that Lewis Brown had too many things to worry about to commit to Beau Champion.

Fact is, Mateo's outside defenders don't trust him and rightly so.

Ah, ok Phil Gould.
 

Kornstar

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You have got to move on. I hope Mateo and Inu win the grand final. Top players!!

I am glad that 2 players that were personally dudded by the cheating pr*cks, not once but twice, were able to be part of a team that knocked them out of the finals.......couldn't be happier for them and I hope they get the premiership they should have got 2 years ago!!!!!
 

Poupou Escobar

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Mateo wasn't too bad in the end.

Didn't cost them, and worked hard in attack. That final try happened because all the Storm defenders were focused on Mateo getting the inside pass.

I don't deny Feleti is a great attacking player. He could have a blinder next week.
 

Casper The Ghost

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So where are all the Mateo & Inu shit dumpers now?

Is it because the Warriors with Inu & Mateo on board are now in the 2011 GF?

Will say it again, DA was not responsible for Inu & Mateo leaving.
 

Poupou Escobar

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You say that like it's something to be proud of ? :sarcasm:

Phil knows his stuff.

Although we did disagree when Locke ran it up to the 20m line for a quick tap late in the game. I thought Locke did the right thing by trying to keep the pressure on, whereas Gould thought Locke should have slowed the game down.

In a situation like that I'd usually concede Gould knows better than myself and Kevin Locke.
 

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