Daily Telegraph: Feleti Mateo launches Eel attack

[caylo]

Really? The 2011 Warriors team in the grand final with Mateo in the second row playing 60 mins a game begs to differ.

Mateo was awesome last night, still looks over weight but his defence was great his ball control was also very good.

Fact of the matter is if we had Mateo here for 400K we couldnt afford Sandow and Tonga, he suits the warriors team and with Johnson/Mahoney there he is the perfect fold on the left edge. For parramatta we needed to attract a big 7 with nothing in the pipeline and we have done that now, Mateo for 200-250 is a great player and probably what was offered but in our team he was not worth what the warriors paid him but for you guys i guess he is.

Inu I thought played well, not much different to when he was here. great in the air but pretty slow on the ground. Defensively he is getting better and is muscling players around, coming of age but not a 250K outside back IMO.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

The 2009 Eels team agrees with you.

Thing is, both teams had budget halves playing well above their value.

What are you going to do when Johnson and Maloney want to get paid what they're worth?

The Warriors are apparently $800K under the cap so I don't think they will have a problem.

Go the Warriors!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The Warriors are apparently $800K under the cap so I don't think they will have a problem.

That's amazing.

Probably helps when all your depth players accept less than market value because they want to stay in Auckland. Same goes for the Broncos with their mortgage on Brisbane. No wonder they don't want a second Brisbane team.

Go the Warriors!

f**ken oath.

It will be great for the game if they win. Especially in the year NZ hosts the rugby world cup.

 

[grapeape]

Poopoo is a brown-nose. He respects power too much. Thinks parra admin is infallable.

Last nite ran 151 meters. (game leading for a forward)
Led hit ups for both teams 19
0 errors.
3 offloads.
Only 2 missed tackles.

But poopoo would rather casey and morts and robson

 

[grapeape]

Mateos stats above vs melb last nite

 

[The Colonel]

The best thing about Mateo at the moment is that he has finally realised he is a second rower and not a 5/8. He plays on the fringes and runs off the halves as well as looking to get the little blokes through the ruck with his off loads. Shame he had to do that at another club.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Poopoo is a brown-nose. He respects power too much. Thinks parra admin is infallable.

I don't think they're infallible, I just think they know better than you. :lol:

Last nite ran 151 meters. (game leading for a forward)
Led hit ups for both teams 19
0 errors.
3 offloads.
Only 2 missed tackles.

Good stats, but that's only one game.

You've also failed to mention that Champion made 3 linebreaks on Mateo's side, just as every week opposition teams make a heap of linebreaks wherever Mateo seems to be defending.

But poopoo would rather casey and morts and robson

Ah, no I'd rather Hayne and Sandow.

 

[Stagger eel]

Poopoo is a brown-nose. He respects power too much. Thinks parra admin is infallable.

Last nite ran 151 meters. (game leading for a forward)
Led hit ups for both teams 19
0 errors.
3 offloads.
Only 2 missed tackles.

But poopoo would rather casey and morts and robson

actually I would rather anyone of Mannering, Luck, Rapira, Maloney or Johnson ahead of Mateo...the warriors wouldn;t be there if it wasnt for those blokes I mentioned.

 

[Joely01]

actually I would rather anyone of Mannering, Luck, Rapira, Maloney or Johnson ahead of Mateo...the warriors wouldn;t be there if it wasnt for those blokes I mentioned.

too true.

And lillyman gets the man of the match award..... i thought Mannering was great last night

 

[strider]

You've also failed to mention that Champion made 3 linebreaks on Mateo's side, just as every week opposition teams make a heap of linebreaks wherever Mateo seems to be defending.
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Good thing thing feleti wasn't on the field for all 3of them or we could incorrectly blame him for them all or the basis of bullshit stats

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Of course he wasn't on the field for all three of them. He can't play 80 minutes. :lol:

 

[spartan2153]

Of course he wasn't on the field for all three of them. He can't play 80 minutes. :lol:

At the end of the day feleti was awesome last night & he has helped get the warriors to the grandfinal. HOw you continually defend your position in regards to his defense is not good enough for nrl. That might be the case but from what i saw last night he was not responsible for any of the try's for melbourne & he didnt concede a single line break. I also believe he didnt even drop a ball last night ( not a 100% on that)

YOur argument is proven to be wrong because as much as you say he aint worth the money he has led a team under the salary cap by a rported 800k to a grand final while parra was led to wooden spoon contention.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Feleti didn't do much different to when he was here.

The difference is because the Warriors have good halves, Feleti doesn't feel the need to pass so much and so he doesn't make as many errors.

As for last night, he's lucky his shit defence didn't cost them, because he missed 5 tackles against the Tigers and 7 tackles against the Broncos.

He's a good fit for the Warriors but he didn't fit in here, and because he's gone we were able to sign a halfback.

So both clubs are happy. I certainly am and you should be too.

 

[btaag]

Feleti didn't do much different to when he was here.

The difference is because the Warriors have good halves, Feleti doesn't feel the need to pass so much and so he doesn't make as many errors.

As for last night, he's lucky his shit defence didn't cost them, because he missed 5 tackles against the Tigers and 7 tackles against the Broncos.

He's a good fit for the Warriors but he didn't fit in here, and because he's gone we were able to sign a halfback.

So both clubs are happy. I certainly am and you should be too.

100% correct (including your previous posts on this topic)

 

[strider]

Feleti didn't do much different to when he was here.

The difference is because the Warriors have good halves, Feleti doesn't feel the need to pass so much and so he doesn't make as many errors.

As for last night, he's lucky his shit defence didn't cost them, because he missed 5 tackles against the Tigers and 7 tackles against the Broncos.

He's a good fit for the Warriors but he didn't fit in here, and because he's gone we were able to sign a halfback.

So both clubs are happy. I certainly am and you should be too.

rubbish - he leads the NRL in offload by a f'n country mile (1. 83 Mateo, 2. 68 Parker) .... he's still looking for offloads just like always, he's also got a fullback and half who are sniffing around ready for them .... you talk up alot of shit sometimes poupou

fact is feleti is having a strong year - he's a f'n good player ... yeah he'll miss a few tackles, everyone does (hell you defend sandow until you are blue in the face and he's one of the worst defenders in the NRL - but its ok cos he's coming to the eels next year) .... last night feleti was fantastic and a big part of their win - mainly cos he showed maturity and got stuck in and did the hard yards

 

[Poupou Escobar]

rubbish - he leads the NRL in offload by a f'n country mile (1. 83 Mateo, 2. 68 Parker) .... he's still looking for offloads just like always, he's also got a fullback and half who are sniffing around ready for them .... you talk up alot of shit sometimes poupou

Difference is, his offloads are mostly dropped out the back now rather than short balls in traffic.

But I agree the quality of the players around him determines the effectiveness of the offload. That's why we were right not to offload this year.

fact is feleti is having a strong year - he's a f'n good player ...

Agreed. He's a great attacking player and a poor defender. That averages him out to be a good player, for mine.

yeah he'll miss a few tackles, everyone does

Not every edge forward misses as much as Feleti Mateo. The ones who do are either also great attackers (Dave Taylor) or they're on half the money (Justin Horo).

(hell you defend sandow until you are blue in the face and he's one of the worst defenders in the NRL - but its ok cos he's coming to the eels next year)

Ah no, it's because Sandow's a halfback and you expect to be able to cover for a poor tackling halfback in your defensive line.

The reason Feleti is such a defensive weakness is because his team has to cover for his poor defence - as well as the poor defence of their halves. So rather than being part of the solution, as most edge forwards are, Mateo adds to the problem.

Johnson missed 9 tackles last night (out of 20 attempts) and Maloney missed 7 (out of 29). That's acceptable from your little men, because you expect to have a hard working big man inside them, and a good one-on-one defender outside them in the centre position.

So it's lucky the Warriors pinned Melbourne in their own half last night and Mateo wasn't exploited better (only forced to make 17 tackles in 55 minutes) because when teams get to him he can miss plenty.

Having Johnson and Mateo next to each other in the defensive line is a massive weakness that you can be sure Manly will target, just like the Broncos did a few weeks ago.

.... last night feleti was fantastic and a big part of their win - mainly cos he showed maturity and got stuck in and did the hard yards

Agree he was excellent last night and I hope he has a blinder in the grand final. I've never wanted an opposition team to win the premiership so much since the Knights in '97.

 

[Bigfella]

rubbish - he leads the NRL in offload by a f'n country mile (1. 83 Mateo, 2. 68 Parker) .... he's still looking for offloads just like always, he's also got a fullback and half who are sniffing around ready for them .... you talk up alot of shit sometimes poupou

fact is feleti is having a strong year - he's a f'n good player ... yeah he'll miss a few tackles, everyone does (hell you defend sandow until you are blue in the face and he's one of the worst defenders in the NRL - but its ok cos he's coming to the eels next year) .... last night feleti was fantastic and a big part of their win - mainly cos he showed maturity and got stuck in and did the hard yards

Pretty sure he's also right up there for tackle breaks? Maybe even leading.

Two areas where we are very ordinary coincidentally.

Plus every I've ever seen this season the warriors have been going ok or average and improved massively when he's come on.

Fact is he's a better attacking back rower than anyone in our side by a country mile and no worse a defender than most of our blokes.

 

[caylo]

Pretty sure he's also right up there for tackle breaks? Maybe even leading.

Two areas where we are very ordinary coincidentally.

Plus every I've ever seen this season the warriors have been going ok or average and improved massively when he's come on.

Fact is he's a better attacking back rower than anyone in our side by a country mile and no worse a defender than most of our blokes.

I dont disagree, everyone knows that Mateo on his day is the most dangerous forward in the world but simply we wont going to spend 400K on him, esp after paying 320K for Poore (which seamed a great idea at the time).

I think we would probably be better off with Mateo for Poore considering how Mannah and Allgood have come along but hindsight is always 20/20. We have OHanlan and Brien coming though along with guys like Matuia in the squad so its not like we are in need of a backrower. His departure allowed us to purchase Sandow and Tonga, who both alone will provide the same type of penetration as Mateo.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Fact is he's a better attacking back rower than anyone in our side by a country mile and no worse a defender than most of our blokes.

Along with Dave Taylor he's a better attacking back rower than anyone else in the game. I don't think this is in dispute. They're even better than guys like Thaiday, Gallen and Blair.

As for Mateo's defence, of our back-rowers only Horo is as bad as him. Maybe O'Hanlon too but he's just a kid.

Maitua and Ben Smith are miles better defenders than Feleti. Even Lasalo is better.

 

[Eels Dude]

Feleti didn't do much different to when he was here.

The difference is because the Warriors have good halves, Feleti doesn't feel the need to pass so much and so he doesn't make as many errors.

As for last night, he's lucky his shit defence didn't cost them, because he missed 5 tackles against the Tigers and 7 tackles against the Broncos.

He's a good fit for the Warriors but he didn't fit in here, and because he's gone we were able to sign a halfback.

So both clubs are happy. I certainly am and you should be too.

You could say the same for Hayne this year though.

Ironically Mateo's best season for us was 2008 when he was playing 5'8th most of the year. Even though we missed the finals he practcially carried us that year, he was far and away our best player.