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Daniel Anderson

JasonE

Bench
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i hope we get him, his record speaks for itself, but is he the sort of coach that wants to be conservative andd restrict the teams natural flair or will he allow them to play freely?

Watch St Helens style of play, they are unbelievable.
No other team in the world has as many players in motion.
 

Tizzun

Juniors
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Anderson would be mad to coach Parra, look at how we treat Hages. It would just take a small losing streak and we'll be ditching Anderson for the next coach. In reality the next coach of Parra is most likely Matt Elliot when the merger happens soon enough...
 

Twizzle

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Anderson would be mad to coach Parra, look at how we treat Hages. It would just take a small losing streak and we'll be ditching Anderson for the next coach. In reality the next coach of Parra is most likely Matt Elliot when the merger happens soon enough...

look how Hages treated us
 

Utey

Coach
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We'll need nothing short of a miracle for this deal to go through. Eels admin never have and probably never will pay out underachieving coaches.
 
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Anderson would be mad to coach Parra, look at how we treat Hages. It would just take a small losing streak and we'll be ditching Anderson for the next coach. In reality the next coach of Parra is most likely Matt Elliot when the merger happens soon enough...

Dumb ass statement of the year!

It isn't that his team has lost a few games that the fans treat hims bad, it's because of his style of play and coaching, his recruitment and retention policies, his reluctance to change things, and his overall attitude.

This team has free-falled into mediocrity under Hagan.
 

The Engineers Room

First Grade
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There are three reasons why I believe Hagan needs to go:

1. We go into games with a negative gameplan, forwards are taught to tuck it under the wing and there is no variation. He doesn't even realise that this is the cause of our problems

2. He doesn't give the young players a decent chance. Hauraki and Paulo have been used incorrectly and have suffered. Brod Wright gets 15 minutes on debut and has to wait almost 60 minutes to get out there. He keeps selecting three workhorses in the backrow and 1 in the front row, so the pack is too much the same.

3. When we have an opportunity to foster and bring through a young halfback (Trent Hodgkinson) we sign Brett Finch to a long term contract and he allows him to be poached. Next year could have been a transition year where Trent plays some games and Finch is used as a utility and kept around just incase. I know everyone is up in arms about Tony Williams but I still think he is a little lasy out there and at NRL level is not worth what Manly are going to pay him.
 

Bigfella

Coach
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The worst was the use of Kris K against Manly. Completely undermined his confidence and I believe was a big part of us not winning a game that twas there for the taking.

The use of Finch and the extension is also one of the worst decisions in the history of football administration.
 

HevyDevy

Coach
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I don't have a problem with the Finch deal, but I am very concerned by the complete lack of any recruitment policy for 2009 in a side that already needs some fresh faces.

Having said that, we could have some money to spare of half the club goes to the French rugby union.
 
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I have watched St Helens quite a few times this year.

Please!
Please!
Please!

I want to read this headline later this year

'Hagan Fired. Daniel Anderson to be new coach at Parramatta'

The difference between how well St Helens and Parramatta are coached is like comparing my opera singing abilities against those of Pavarotti.
 
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I would like to make a point here about the possibility of Daniel coming to Parramatta.

Firstly Stagger and a few others have noted several times that the club has never paid out an underperforming coach. Surely that is true of Brian Smith when in his underperforming years 2003 and 2004 the weight of his contract was 3 years and 2 years respectively. In 2006 we had announced a new coach, while Gould has said we should have paid out the coach and gotten Hagan in quick smart. Even as I have had Tyler Durden suggest to me do a straight coach swap as soon as Newcastle settled on Smith, the thing that keeps running around my mind in that little game is Nathan Brown. We can argue his good or bad points as a coach but in all reality, he was told he would not be the coach for 2009 and has still shaped and molded the Dragons into the top 8. There is also the counter argument of Graham Murray who felt powerless to control his club after being told he was a dead man walking. Personally I don't think Brian was powerless at this club, I think his departure was a calculated move that was executed to maximum effect.

But how does this relate to Michael Hagan and Daniel Anderson. Firstly Hagan’s contract is only a year to pay out which makes the precedents a little less relevant. The rest, well here is hoping that Denis has learned his lesson, if there are as stated at the end of this year, possible extension talks with the coach. So that in effect does the same thing to Michael Hagan as we did to Brian Smith. Will the club do this again and face the possible consequences? Now I know that is a very divisive question. Some will believe the club will do the same thing again as Fitzy is just Money hungry and doesn't care for the Football. Others will hope that Fitzy will pull a different reign this time. I am quite sure that the temperament of the club would not be in favor of keeping Michael on past 2009. I think well in advance of the poor showing against the Rabbitohs when I came on board that there were divisions of opinion in the minds of those that matter. While we as fans hung on for dear life, hoping the team would fire I get the Idea that some people were not as comfortable as they could be with the plans for 2009.

One of both mine and Staggers sources is a poster on this message board. He has stated that the whole problem with getting the new coach is a Matter of costs. Not will we pay out the contract but can we afford to pay out the contract. Now we will have posters from here to tomorrow tell us that living of gambling is wrong, and that we need to find new revenue streams and that is all well and dandy, but let as face the facts right now. We as a football club are reliant on the Leagues club for our funding. This has been told to us multiple times at the Football Club AGM. If people feel we have missed the boat that is great we can debate that till the cows come home but let us look at the situations right now. While the financial report numbers I posted on the club are true and we did lose 2 million dollars after the leagues club funded all NRL operations, I would not say we are absolutely skint. I would say we are tightening our belts sure, but I do not think we are at deaths door. Not by a long shot.

As I stated a paragraph above, I am quite sure that the People that matter were not happy well in advance of when most of the whispers about Anderson Broke out into the main stream. This year has been a disappointment in terms of the things that people on this board talk about. The Fans. Now I am well on record as saying I believe a majority of Parramatta fans are fickle, It is just to which degree their fickleness runs. I would say most on this board would range from the demanding to the accepting in terms of fickleness, but I also think there are those, not on this board who didn't even turn up this year. After our dodgy start, we have never had even a thought of having a sold out stadium. We have had years when we have started poor but the effort has been there and things have started to click, then we get a good local derby or a Sunday game and we would have been looking at Advisories on Wednesday before the match of no free tickets but not this year. The press build up has seen our fans expect the Eels to play with the same record as the Melbourne Storm, and when the players didn't look to be close to that, the most demanding fans of our club, stayed away in their droves. These are the people whose hearts and minds we needed to capture and our sides’ performances have been unable to do that. It is even now starting to lose the hearts and minds of even the most accepting Parramatta fan.

Now if the fans are truly the life blood of the league, which we are all told, they are. We have the least amounts of actual spend but to capture our ancillary spend, Sponsors and TV networks alike will through money at the club, and the league. If our club truly understands this, then things might happen regardless of the financial constraints.
But then again I have been called gullible about this club before.
 

fish eel

Immortal
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Good read Mark, if a little verbose, as you always are, but Kim Beazley was often the same so there is not anything wrong with that.

I will be quite surprised if we pay Michael Hagan out for next year - and bring in Anderson. Paying out the coach, bringing in a new one, when 1. it's not in Parramatta's nature to pay out a coach (not just Smith, but Hilditch and Cronin) and 2. When our CEO tells us we are 'skint'. If we sack a coach, bring a new one in, the take into account support staff etc, you are looking at atleast a half a million hit on the bottom line? A club struggling financially wouldnt do that - unless the doom and gloom talk is smoke and mirrors....
 

hybrideel

Bench
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Maybe they didn't pay out Cronin and Hildich due to their ties to the club and the possible uproar or treating club legends that way. Hagan has no ties to the club.

Anyone keen on passing a hat round for funds to help pay Hagan out
 

Stagger eel

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Maybe they didn't pay out Cronin and Hildich due to their ties to the club and the possible uproar or treating club legends that way. Hagan has no ties to the club.

Anyone keen on passing a hat round for funds to help pay Hagan out


actually...Cronin declared his intentions to not at the end of 93 and told Fitzy while Hilditch was actually offered an extension but decided not to take it towards the end of 96..than Fitzy pesured Smith and got him.
 

Tizzun

Juniors
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Dumb ass statement of the year!

It isn't that his team has lost a few games that the fans treat hims bad, it's because of his style of play and coaching, his recruitment and retention policies, his reluctance to change things, and his overall attitude.

This team has free-falled into mediocrity under Hagan.

Bummer, i was more hoping for a bite on the Elliot front but alas...

Seriously i understand the Hagan animosity, my statement is not that he has done a good job but we are quick to turn on our coach or players as soon as they underperform (although with our current coaching staff it is deserved). Look at how posters were bagging Hindmarsh earlier this year. Parra fans are hard markers...
 

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