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Daniel Anderson

HevyDevy

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I can't cop people bagging Hindy, so f**k them all!

In regards to Hages, I've always been a proponent of giving a coach three years to implement his own structures, bring in the players that suit his style etc.

In that regard I am still willing to give Hages a bit more time but I must admit I am very concerned by both our performances this season and the lack of any recruitment for 2009.
 
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I can't cop people bagging Hindy, so f**k them all!
i'm with you brother :thumb
maybe he is a bit slower these days but he is still out there busting his arse while others around him are sitting on theirs if we had 17 hindys playing we would be a hell of a lot further up the ladder than we are
 

Fathead

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I would like to make a point here about the possibility of Daniel coming to Parramatta.

Firstly Stagger and a few others have noted several times that the club has never paid out an underperforming coach. Surely that is true of Brian Smith when in his underperforming years 2003 and 2004 the weight of his contract was 3 years and 2 years respectively. In 2006 we had announced a new coach, while Gould has said we should have paid out the coach and gotten Hagan in quick smart. Even as I have had Tyler Durden suggest to me do a straight coach swap as soon as Newcastle settled on Smith, the thing that keeps running around my mind in that little game is Nathan Brown. We can argue his good or bad points as a coach but in all reality, he was told he would not be the coach for 2009 and has still shaped and molded the Dragons into the top 8. There is also the counter argument of Graham Murray who felt powerless to control his club after being told he was a dead man walking. Personally I don't think Brian was powerless at this club, I think his departure was a calculated move that was executed to maximum effect.

But how does this relate to Michael Hagan and Daniel Anderson. Firstly Hagan’s contract is only a year to pay out which makes the precedents a little less relevant. The rest, well here is hoping that Denis has learned his lesson, if there are as stated at the end of this year, possible extension talks with the coach. So that in effect does the same thing to Michael Hagan as we did to Brian Smith. Will the club do this again and face the possible consequences? Now I know that is a very divisive question. Some will believe the club will do the same thing again as Fitzy is just Money hungry and doesn't care for the Football. Others will hope that Fitzy will pull a different reign this time. I am quite sure that the temperament of the club would not be in favor of keeping Michael on past 2009. I think well in advance of the poor showing against the Rabbitohs when I came on board that there were divisions of opinion in the minds of those that matter. While we as fans hung on for dear life, hoping the team would fire I get the Idea that some people were not as comfortable as they could be with the plans for 2009.

One of both mine and Staggers sources is a poster on this message board. He has stated that the whole problem with getting the new coach is a Matter of costs. Not will we pay out the contract but can we afford to pay out the contract. Now we will have posters from here to tomorrow tell us that living of gambling is wrong, and that we need to find new revenue streams and that is all well and dandy, but let as face the facts right now. We as a football club are reliant on the Leagues club for our funding. This has been told to us multiple times at the Football Club AGM. If people feel we have missed the boat that is great we can debate that till the cows come home but let us look at the situations right now. While the financial report numbers I posted on the club are true and we did lose 2 million dollars after the leagues club funded all NRL operations, I would not say we are absolutely skint. I would say we are tightening our belts sure, but I do not think we are at deaths door. Not by a long shot.

As I stated a paragraph above, I am quite sure that the People that matter were not happy well in advance of when most of the whispers about Anderson Broke out into the main stream. This year has been a disappointment in terms of the things that people on this board talk about. The Fans. Now I am well on record as saying I believe a majority of Parramatta fans are fickle, It is just to which degree their fickleness runs. I would say most on this board would range from the demanding to the accepting in terms of fickleness, but I also think there are those, not on this board who didn't even turn up this year. After our dodgy start, we have never had even a thought of having a sold out stadium. We have had years when we have started poor but the effort has been there and things have started to click, then we get a good local derby or a Sunday game and we would have been looking at Advisories on Wednesday before the match of no free tickets but not this year. The press build up has seen our fans expect the Eels to play with the same record as the Melbourne Storm, and when the players didn't look to be close to that, the most demanding fans of our club, stayed away in their droves. These are the people whose hearts and minds we needed to capture and our sides’ performances have been unable to do that. It is even now starting to lose the hearts and minds of even the most accepting Parramatta fan.

Now if the fans are truly the life blood of the league, which we are all told, they are. We have the least amounts of actual spend but to capture our ancillary spend, Sponsors and TV networks alike will through money at the club, and the league. If our club truly understands this, then things might happen regardless of the financial constraints.
But then again I have been called gullible about this club before.

MITS thanks for taking the time to write this. I cant say anything more than I have said so I suppose we all have to just sit back and see how it all pans out.
I do know that you and probably Stagger, will agree with me - there will be a fair bit of behind the scenes blood letting at the conclusion of proceedings in Sept ! - or should we just say... Spirited discussion?
 

Stagger eel

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MITS thanks for taking the time to write this. I cant say anything more than I have said so I suppose we all have to just sit back and see how it all pans out.
I do know that you and probably Stagger, will agree with me - there will be a fair bit of behind the scenes blood letting at the conclusion of proceedings in Sept ! - or should we just say... Spirited discussion?


i'll be completely honest with youm the only thing I've heard about what's happening behind the scenes is a review of the team and the coaching staff and if I'm not mistaken that happens at every club at the end of every season.

in saying all that maybe you know more than what I do??
 

Avenger

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If we miss the 8, Hagan will definitely be gone and will never coach NRL again.

Mark my words.
 

Stagger eel

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Dont be :? and I didnt mean any offence :D

What will be , will be and Im sure we will find out in the 'fullness of time'. :D:D

not offended just confused..it appears you think I know more than I'm making out, I am of the opinion that "Jack" will happen on the coaching front before the end of 09, that's not to say that there won't be a decision made, i'm sure we'll know who the 2010 coach will be about 9 to 12 months before the start of 2010 season but I honestly think that Hages will be here in 09 and I sure as hell, believe, that he won't be paid out.

when our CEO tells the rugby league world that he can't guarentee our place in the game within 5 years than it would be hypacritical of him to give our coach a parting gift of the last years wages and than fork out for Anderson it'll will be close to a 1 million doller excercise and certainly not pretty on the clubs financial situation which is currently looking ugly anyway.
 

Avenger

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not offended just confused..it appears you think I know more than I'm making out, I am of the opinion that "Jack" will happen on the coaching front before the end of 09, that's not to say that there won't be a decision made, i'm sure we'll know who the 2010 coach will be about 9 to 12 months before the start of 2010 season but I honestly think that Hages will be here in 09 and I sure as hell, believe, that he won't be paid out.

when our CEO tells the rugby league world that he can't guarentee our place in the game within 5 years than it would be hypacritical of him to give our coach a parting gift of the last years wages and than fork out for Anderson it'll will be close to a 1 million doller excercise and certainly not pretty on the clubs financial situation which is currently looking ugly anyway.

I read somewhere here that we need to tell Hagan before the start of 2009 what our intentions are for 2010. It will not be Hagan, we all know that. Therefore unless Hagan has another gig planned for 09 he will either quit or the club would negotiate a settlement for 09. Usually when you negotiate such a thing it is never the full amount. However we are not good at negotiating of late.
 

Fathead

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not offended just confused..it appears you think I know more than I'm making out, I am of the opinion that "Jack" will happen on the coaching front before the end of 09, that's not to say that there won't be a decision made, i'm sure we'll know who the 2010 coach will be about 9 to 12 months before the start of 2010 season but I honestly think that Hages will be here in 09 and I sure as hell, believe, that he won't be paid out.

when our CEO tells the rugby league world that he can't guarentee our place in the game within 5 years than it would be hypacritical of him to give our coach a parting gift of the last years wages and than fork out for Anderson it'll will be close to a 1 million doller excercise and certainly not pretty on the clubs financial situation which is currently looking ugly anyway.

Yep that sounds about right.
I also hear that DA has told Parra that he prefers to take a year off coaching so that may set him right to take over in 2010.
Either way, I am told that there is certainly no one else on the radar other than Daniel Anderson.
I just hope there is a football team left for him in 2010 to take over.
 

Stagger eel

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Yep that sounds about right.
I also hear that DA has told Parra that he prefers to take a year off coaching so that may set him right to take over in 2010.
Either way, I am told that there is certainly no one else on the radar other than Daniel Anderson.
I just hope there is a football team left for him in 2010 to take over.

well for arguements sake, let's say that DA is signed sealed and delivered for 2010, in which case the 2010 contract file should be sent straight to him and he should be kept in constant contact with Fitzy, Andrew Hill, Grant Jones and Rod Reddy.

it will be he's responsability, despite the fact that we won't be paying him before 2010.
 

Stagger eel

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I read somewhere here that we need to tell Hagan before the start of 2009 what our intentions are for 2010. It will not be Hagan, we all know that. Therefore unless Hagan has another gig planned for 09 he will either quit or the club would negotiate a settlement for 09. Usually when you negotiate such a thing it is never the full amount. However we are not good at negotiating of late.

aaahh! true, but there's a difference when our CEO is directly involved in negotiations and we all know that he is as tight as a nun's you know what...

it would certainly be Hagans intention to ride the storm and be paid out in full.
 

Avenger

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aaahh! true, but there's a difference when our CEO is directly involved in negotiations and we all know that he is as tight as a nun's you know what...

it would certainly be Hagans intention to ride the storm and be paid out in full.


That is where a little professional self awareness is required on Hagan's part. If he knows he failed this year he should not subject us to the same sh*t next year. That is why he should quit if we don't make the 8 this year and if he is informed before 2009 that he is not the long term plan as coach.
 

Stagger eel

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That is where a little professional self awareness is required on Hagan's part. If he knows he failed this year he should not subject us to the same sh*t next year. That is why he should quit if we don't make the 8 this year and if he is informed before 2009 that he is not the long term plan as coach.

should and would have 2 very different meanings my friend...
 

Bigfella

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not offended just confused..it appears you think I know more than I'm making out, I am of the opinion that "Jack" will happen on the coaching front

Surely he is the one bloke we can rule out Stagger?
 

spiderdan

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in a perfect world the players at the very least will know who is coaching us when hagan's contract runs out. it would suck ar$e if we lost a bunch of players because we hadn't made them aware of our coach before negotiating extensions.

based on the style anderson had the arriors playing and from reports of his exploits in esl, i think players like mateo, keating, hayne, inu and paulo would thrive under his mentoring.
 

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