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The only contest between the AB's and the Kangaroos where the AB's win is the most pies at lunch competition.
Get a grip.
Get a grip.
:lol:The only contest between the AB's and the Kangaroos where the AB's win is the most pies at lunch competition.
Get a grip.
SBW wouldn't have walked into the centres for Australia or QLD, until possibly very recently when we're (the kangas) suddenly suffering out wide due to a lot of contributing factors (hodges injured and suddenly old, folau left, Will hoppa went to be a mormon, yow yeh broke his leg in half, ferguson and duges went insane, etc etc etc).
Hodges and Inglis had the centre pairing more locked than Nonu and Smith had the AB centre pairing, there's no way it would have been split up for sbw wandering in (remembering this is a hypothetical where sbw is eligible for aus and can't play as a forward).
He would have been picked as a forward on any team in league and not for the all blacks, but that's because his natural position is edge forward in league, and I do understand that forwards in rugby have a fairly specialised position totally different from forwards in league (I did play as a forward in union for 15 years btw, those saying I know nothing about the code lol).
So yeah the fact SBW could get on the all blacks at all, with Thorn lol, doesn't bode well for the all blacks claim to be the best sporting team in the world. They don't even have SBW's position, or Thorns, but they moseyed in like royalty. Sbw fair enough is a stand out freak in the nrl, but thorn is a joke.
You can switch it around and ask what would happen if JT, Inglis, Hayne, Slater and co were eligible for the all blacks? Established pairings be damned, they'd kick the doors down, and who knows how many more league players would, no one could have guessed thorn, but it happened, so who knows, Keith Galloway and Dean Young might kick the doors down. I'm struggling to think of any other players as shit as thorn.
It seems if you've played league at all you're good enough to be an international rugby player. If you're half decent at league you immediately become a star international rugby player. Folau is turning into the Lebron of union as we speak(playing on the cavs, but yeah), when he was never the best on an NRL club team, let alone the best in the NRL.
Also enjoying these random Kangaroos > All Blacks calls with no reasoning or evidence guys, keep the lol's coming.
What does that have to do with the Kangaroos? The discussion he has been focused on how much better the Wallabies would be if there was a united code?
To say "they wouldn't be good because they can't scrum or lineout"...
???
And you accuse me of being a supremacist. If the likes of Inglis and haybe had of played RU, they'd have learned to play like a RU player.
And a hell of a lot more failure. The Warriors have been widely regarded as an under-performing tea,
Which if you're trying to assert that's a poor reflection of RL in Australia, is a weaker assertion about RU worldwide, that a tiny pool of NZ can beat the world.
And?
No, that's not it at all. This is the conclusion an idiot makes when trying to think for himself.
The difference in intuition which is why...
Yup, he is an outstanding player at second row in RL.
But that's not reflective of anything.
Rogers, Tuiqri, Sailor and Farrell were all better players at RL than Jason Robinson, yet JR became the better of all of them at RU. What it says is certain players have differing ceilings.
What this relates to at this topic, is that no where in the world of RU does anyone have the ceiling of Hayne or Inglis.
We've see the RUWC down here twice in the last 10 years.
There is more talent in the NRL than there is in the entire world of RU. Teams like Argentina and Ireland, with absolutely pedestrian centre partnerships win games, Arg coming top 4 in 2007. The Wallabies with an eternally pissweak forward pack are another.
That is why NZ can beat them all the time, not because the All Blacks have world leading talent to classify them the 'most dominant team in the world', but because every other team in the world is devoid of talent.
That's like saying Greg Inglis isn't considered good enough for the Kangaroos or Queensland because it's wiser to play Slater at fullback and GI in the centres.
Smith and Nonu have a record breaking centre partnership. And given the All Blacks conservative selection policy it's no surprise SBW was thought of as more useful coming off the bench onto the wing.
Only a union troll could make out that a league convert playing out of position on the wing for the world's greatest rugby team is a strike against him. He brings that much to the team that they'll give him a bench spot to play a few minutes on the wing :sarcasm:
And of course he'd walk into any league team in the world, he's a league player....
You Union lovers have been saying the exact same thing since forever, that League players would never make it in such-and-such a position, or that Richie-Rich McHyphenated name is far and away better than any League player that could play in his position, yet time and time again, blokes like this switch over and dominate in Union:
Can somebody translate these posts please? I don't speak kiwi!![]()
Certainly,
the NZ ALL BLACKS are recognised by sport historians & journalists world wide as the most successful team in the history of sport
Brad Thorne is one of the most successful sportsman ever to play with the oval ball & has accomplished more than any other player in terms of titles & trophies won in the teams he participated
simple really![]()
More talent in the nrl than all of rugby:crazy:, So the kiwis are all Nrl
players aren't they? yet name me one player that would take any of the all blacks spot.
Lets start with the backs,um anit no one got the class to walk into the abs buddy.Johnson has the vision of a mole and would be lost with defence in his face and havng to direct 9 plus phases in a row at number 10,
he showed against the poms he couldn't run an attacking play,the kiwi centres are average,including shaun Kenny dowall,if sbw is on the bench for the abs do you really think he,goodwin etc are gona make the team at centre,none of the kiwi centres would even get a super rugby contract yet are starting centres for two of the top nrl teams:sarcasm:.
Some talent pool.Manu wouldn't cut it,Rts could,but hes a union throw away anyway,only bein playing league a few years has got more class than any nrl winger,and hed be back up at full back at most.
kiwi fullbacks um na anit got the skills to make it in union at fullback.So no kiwi backs from the nrl would make the cut in the abs.
Lets look at the forwards,what kiwi forward will play in the front row??None.Locks??
none,sbw will make it as a back,jwh and Mannering with a few years could be a handy 6,7,8 but would never come close to our loose forwards, so out of this great talent pool of the nrl theres nothing that could really offer the abs anything..
you have no idea of nz rugby depth,we dam lost 3 players this year that would of made better league backs than any of our(kiwis)current squad,in hosea gear,richard kahui and renee ranger.get out of here with that bullshit.
No doubt that new Zealand and aussie produce the best players in both codes but the all blacks never have and never will need league players,aussies or kiwis its as simple as that
The global game...110 years of Scotland or Ireland never beating the All Blacks show that.
Talk about going full genius
When are the all blacks the entrie world of RU?
I'm talking abuot spastics like D'Arcy, Ashley-Cooper, De Villiers. Twelvetrees... the pedestrian spastics who make up the elite of 'global game'
9 phases... what 9 phases of pick and drive is complex is it? it's less complex than a standard RL hit up.
Sure SBW wasn't a vital cog in 2011... however it was as clear as day he was a better centre than Nonu in 2012. What that says is he require done more year.
Then lets get to the rest, Watkins would be a revolution for England, Inglis kept out of the Wallabies? please. Inglis would dominate RU more than Folau is. Colin Best would be the number one player for Italy. hell, most of the Utaly RL side would be starters for the Italy RU side.
I'm not denying the All Blacks are the best the RU have to offer, but that's still not saying a lot.
RTS vs Hayne as a winger ehh?
Erhh hello... Brad Thorne has already made the team as lock.
Again, why the pants down around the ankles and wanking furiously about the All Blacks in this argument. I said the entire world.
Every Burgess brother would fill the England RU loose forwards, Every touring kangaroo would make the Wallabies.
That said, not a single all black forward could play rep RL..
??
They aren't class athletes.
This is the same team that had leon mcDonald play dozens of tests, and he wouldn't even make Parramatta. Mils Miluiana is another who is a crap athlete who wouldn't make NRL, and he's an All Black great.
The All Blacks are littered with small, slow atheles who can beat up on the Wallabies and other RU sides full of no hopers.. pfft...
Of course they don't need... no other side in the world of RU produces any talent.
it's the same as the AFL wouldn' t need RL players.
Not because AFL are good, it's because they have no opposition. The AFL can put together a national side can be more dominant than the All Blacks, that's how the world of RU looks to the intelligent eye. One nationa that takes it serious, and the rest full of second and third rate athletes.
110 years of Scotland or Ireland never beating the All Blacks show that.
I was comparing the current all blacks and current kiwis team,most of the kiwis backs at this world cup are average players,none would knock out any of the abs starting line up simple,yet these average backs have carried us to a final.
And the same average backs esp the kiwi centres goodwin etc can make the starting line up of the top teams in the nrl do they not.Goodwin,kenny dowall aren't in the same level as none of our top backs that's a fact,hosea gear,richard kahui and rene ranger just 3 class backs to leave nz rugby this year that would of made top league players
Rugby forwards couldn't make it into national league teams lol really,wake mate.
Don't ya know jwh is looking at returning to the game that made him the player he is lol
Just another kiwi/nrl star who is a union boy at heart and one of the best/hardest props in the nrl .
RTS is looking at coming back to rugby,
the sad fact for league is regardless of how much fun the game is to watch its very limited,the game is to simple and becomes predictable
and offers nothing outside of playing in the nrl or super league.
End of the day F all your crap on international rugby,a one eye league fan should be the last person to try pick holes in the game,have you looked at the state of the international league.
All that shit about league players walking into national teams you got no idea,burgess brothers a bit big for loose forwards,both codes have great talent but no union team could ever be made up of just league players pure and simple genius
Yep, NZ has never beaten the US at basketball, so any achievements by the US suddenly don't matter and basketball isn't a global game....
Uruguay has never beaten Spain in football, that must mean Uruguay's World Cup win doesn't matter and football isn't a global game.....
Spastic logic :lol:.
The AB's have been so good for so long that they are yet to lose to a couple of teams and this means their ludicrous win record somehow now counts against them.