News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

[Springs09]

But he wasn't seeking reinstatement though and got basically what he wanted. Winner.

RA got what they wanted by not having a ruling against them, but you'd be a fool to think that RA and now NRL would do the same again in the same circumstances.

Why do you characterise me as a Folau supporter? I just accept that if NRL are going to accept much bigger merkins than Folau, then we should let in Folau.

Don't you believe its possible to hold points of view on multiple issues?

Because some people are so narrow minded they can only see two points of view, one's theirs and anyone who doesn't share it falls under the same umbrella. If you dare bring any nuance or shades of grey into the argument you're clearly a bigot who loves Folau and hates gay people.

 

[Pommy]

If countless nrl rejects are good enough to be the Man of Steel, Folau will have no issues. He will probably be the best quality player we have ever sent there. Or maybe on par with barba

EDIT - why would he be enittled to future earnings at all if something wasn't awry. How much is he getting from Catalans?

Ben Barba had been playing league in recent history. It was clear to see with Sam Burgess and Hayne that stepping back in to the sport after time away isn’t easy.
I’m not saying he was entitled to it, just that his f**kwittery has cost him money so he’s hardly winning on that front.

 

[myrrh ken]

Because some people are so narrow minded they can only see two points of view, one's theirs and anyone who doesn't share it falls under the same umbrella. If you dare bring any nuance or shades of grey into the argument you're clearly a bigot who loves Folau and hates gay people.

I mean if we were being idealists we shouldn't really be playing against Samoa and Tonga, given their laws on the issue.

 

[betcats]

I'm pretty sure it ended up being just a loss and damages claim, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong before declaring victory. Also feel free to tell me how little the damages payout was.

He wanted to play RU again

https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/...s/news-story/489bd8c9ab2f9a6ff674e5c3077138e5

"Folau wants an apology, $10 million in damages and his contracts reinstated by his former employers, who say the star player breached their code of conduct with a social media post in April"


Castle said the payout was less then the cost of the lawyer costs going forward or something like that.

 

[Valheru]

If he won his dispute I assume he will be running out for the wallabies again after ARU we’re found guilty of wrongful dismissal?

From memory as part of the settlement they agreed to a "mutual separation".

My 2 cents.

Israel has the right to be employed if someone chooses to employ him.

Equally, an employer has the right not to offer employment if they feel he doesn't fit their culture or values and/or they believe they would take a financial hit by employing him (loss of sponsors etc.)

I believe the ARU did the right thing to protect their brand but anyone who doesn't think he should be able to gain employment from other clubs/sports again is being a bit over the top IMO.

 

[Valheru]

I mean if we were being idealists we shouldn't really be playing against Samoa and Tonga, given their laws on the issue.

That's a fair point actually.

Add PNG to that list.

 

[Springs09]

From memory as part of the settlement they agreed to a "mutual separation".

My 2 cents.

Israel has the right to be employed if someone chooses to employ him.

Equally, an employer has the right not to offer employment if they feel he doesn't fit their culture or values and/or they believe they would take a financial hit by employing him (loss of sponsors etc.)

I believe the ARU did the right thing to protect their brand but anyone who doesn't think he should be able to gain employment from other clubs/sports again is being a bit over the top IMO.

Which has been the same with all the other players involved in scandals/criminal acts or charges.
The difference (and hypocrisy) being Folau is the one that the ARL said isn't welcome and the one the ESL and ESL clubs publicly spoke out against Catalans signing him, where was all the moral outrage from other clubs, players and governing bodies when clubs signed convicted sex offenders, convicted assaulters and convicted drug dealers? (And I'm not talking about fans, fans spoke up many times, they aren't the issue here) If all these spokespeople didn't say shit then but are on the moral high horse now, they are hypocrites, plain and simple.

 

[Springs09]

That's a fair point actually.

Add PNG to that list.

Lebanon, Jamaica, Russia as well

 

[Perth Tiger]

Which has been the same with all the other players involved in scandals/criminal acts or charges.
The difference (and hypocrisy) being Folau is the one that the ARL said isn't welcome and the one the ESL and ESL clubs publicly spoke out against Catalans signing him, where was all the moral outrage from other clubs, players and governing bodies when clubs signed convicted sex offenders, convicted assaulters and convicted drug dealers? (And I'm not talking about fans, fans spoke up many times, they aren't the issue here) If all these spokespeople didn't say shit then but are on the moral high horse now, they are hypocrites, plain and simple.

no the difference is that the others went through whatever rehabilitation was required and the employer was reasonable confident they wouldn't re offend and damage the club/code/brand.

Folau has done none of that and is almost guaranteed to come up with more stupid stuff to damage and cost his club/code money which is why governing bodies dont want a bar of him.

 

[myrrh ken]

no the difference is that the others went through whatever rehabilitation was required and the employer was reasonable confident they wouldn't re offend and damage the club/code/brand.

Folau has done none of that and is almost guaranteed to come up with more stupid stuff to damage and cost his club/code money which is why governing bodies dont want a bar of him.

Not on our watch though.

Surely some strict conditions akin and an apology would be worth looking at rather than a blanket no.

 

[THE CHAMP]

Anyone thinking folau wanted to return to the wallabies is kidding themselves. It’s a stand he had to take to strengthen his position. Also why would he want to continue to play for a team that bluddy useless?

I also don’t think he’s overly concerned about moving to France. Bet the missus is pretty stoked.

Finally a club has signed him a loss would be nobody signing him wouldn’t it?

 

[TheFrog]

Equally, an employer has the right not to offer employment if they feel he doesn't fit their culture or values and/or they believe they would take a financial hit by employing him (loss of sponsors etc.)

It would depend on whether their values are core to the undertaking of the business. It could be asked what religion or even gay issues have to do with Rugby League. There are discrimination laws covering this. It's quite complex. I think the NRL will be relieved that he's got a gig elsewhere but it'll be interesting to see if he is selected for Tonga.

He doesn't need to change much. Don't mention gays in his posts on social media. Keep it to sinners, which includes gays anyway. Make your instagram private. Just use your noggin, mate. The threat to sack him would be just bluster. It didn't turn out well for Rugby Australia but one suspects he's playing more for love than money.

 

[TheFrog]

Bet the missus is pretty stoked.

It's a nice part of the world.

Surely some strict conditions akin and an apology would be worth looking at rather than a blanket no.

The closest thing to apology you're going to get was the statement read out at the settlement with Rugby Australia.

I mean if we were being idealists we shouldn't really be playing against Samoa and Tonga, given their laws on the issue.

Imagine if you could only play sport against other countries who shared your views on a thousand different things. There'd be no international sport whatsoever. We wouldn't even play against NZ because they don't recognise ANZUS.

 

[Springs09]

no the difference is that the others went through whatever rehabilitation was required and the employer was reasonable confident they wouldn't re offend and damage the club/code/brand.

Folau has done none of that and is almost guaranteed to come up with more stupid stuff to damage and cost his club/code money which is why governing bodies dont want a bar of him.

None of what? Rehab for posting homophobic tweets? The employer is confident they wouldn't re-offend, it's even in his contract.

'Almost guaranteed' yeah sure mate. Most of the idiots who have been sacked for criminal offences then re-signed have gone on to re-offend. But the clubs didn't seem to care then and re-signed again. Carney was sacked three times before being signed by Catalans and ESL didn't kick up a stink then. Lodge's contract was allowed before he had paid damages and even after his former partner came forward with details of their abusive relationship.


Greenberg on Lodge:
"Ultimately that is a matter for him and I understand he and his manager have been in contact with [the victims]. But that's not a matter for us to get involved in," he said.

"We're not in the business of telling people and players how to spend their money. That's up to them."

But yeah apparently homophobic tweets is something for the NRL to get involved in and tell clubs they can't spend their money on Folau.

"I'm not condoning anything that he's done but the game is forgiving. There are many examples ... [players] who have done time in prison, made some grave errors, but have come back and been great shining lights for families, their communities and their sport and I hope Matt Lodge is one of those."

Hypocrisy

I'm not arguing for Folau to be let back in the game, I'm arguing that the rule for one should be the rule for all and if Folau is banned then we shouldn't let all the human garbage f**kwits that we've let back in either.

 

[TheFrog]

I'm not arguing for Folau to be let back in the game, I'm arguing that the rule for one should be the rule for all and if Folau is banned then we shouldn't let all the human garbage f**kwits that we've let back in either.

Folou didn't break any law.

But yeah apparently homophobic tweets is something for the NRL to get involved in and tell clubs they can't spend their money on Folau.

You'd think they'd learn from Rugby's experience. Anyway, he's not going to be a problem for the NRL for the time being.

 

[myrrh ken]

I Imagine if you could only play sport against other countries who shared your views on a thousand different things. There'd be no international sport whatsoever. We wouldn't even play against NZ because they don't recognise ANZUS.

We dont ban blokes who tweet about the existence of ANZUS

 

[Rod McClusky]

I mean if we were being idealists we shouldn't really be playing against Samoa and Tonga, given their laws on the issue.

Not a peep from @Perth Red about this, shows you what a hypocrite he and his fellow bed wetters are

 

[betcats]

You'd think they'd learn from Rugby's experience. Anyway, he's not going to be a problem for the NRL for the time being.

The only mistake RU made was on the contract, they didn't have the right clause in there, if the contract said what they thought it said Israel wouldn't have gotten anything.

He has signed to SL and they have said they don't want him. Catalans will 100 percent rip up his contract him if he post any homophobic shit again and he wont have any legal avenues to pursue because they have clauses in his contract properly.

The NRL is well within their rights to tell him he isn't wanted, it is no mistake.

 

[THE CHAMP]

It would depend on whether their values are core to the undertaking of the business. It could be asked what religion or even gay issues have to do with Rugby League. There are discrimination laws covering this. It's quite complex. I think the NRL will be relieved that he's got a gig elsewhere but it'll be interesting to see if he is selected for Tonga.

He doesn't need to change much. Don't mention gays in his posts on social media. Keep it to sinners, which includes gays anyway. Make your instagram private. Just use your noggin, mate. The threat to sack him would be just bluster. It didn't turn out well for Rugby Australia but one suspects he's playing more for love than money.

Folau has ALWAYS been about the money bud. It’s how the broncos got him it’s how afl got him. It’s why he is so active in his church.

But hey he loves money so you’re kinda right

 

[Perth Red]

It's a nice part of the world.



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Shes probably got a very very well paid job with the Dragons in their merchandise shop like the other Aussie players partners! Not suggesting they are circumventing the cap of course but it was a surprise to walk in there and be served by 5 good looking Aussie women