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Dragons chase Jarryd Hayne

possm

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Jimmy raises some good points. I think most here would admit that our backline needs improving.

We have 2 international halves, and arguably one of the best packs in the game. Its fair play to say our backline is our weakness at this point.

I am a big fan of Jordan P, as he plays with a lot of ticker and deserves another shot. Our centres, if they are in fact Aitken and Lafai, dont fill me with confidence, and if Lomax isnt picked in the centres, and shoved onto the wing, then his talents are wasted.

Dufty has a full season to show that he is more than a speedster. I wish him well.

We all want the team to be contenders, ... we are a couple of strike backs away from that IMHO.

You have analysed the situation pretty well however, in my honest opinion the remedy needs more attention. SGI has for far too long just ambled along putting loyalty and conservative measures ahead of good management. For me:
1. Dufty was given a good go showing his great attacking skills but also a number of critical skill shortages over a full season in 2018. He MUST rectify his weaknesses to a suitable first grade standard in the PRE-SEASON in order to maintain his spot at fullback. For this reason I remain hopefull that we can recruit a top grade winger/fullback ASAP so that he can be part of our pre-season program. If Dufty come through positively then this winger/fullback would occupy the right wing and be backup for fullback.


2. I would dearly love to see Pearson come through the pre-season as our number one choice for left wing. At the moment it is a hope and frankly over the past few years SGI has gambled far too often on players stepping up to fill a void.

3. The Aitken v Lomax showdown will be the most interesting selection for me. From what I see, Lomax is the better centre however, given that SGI signed Aitken long term when they could have given him a two year contract and extended later, it would be difficult to justify having so much salary cap wallowing away in the ISP. For me it is Lomax at right centre but I really don't have a clue on what to do with Aitken. His defensive reads are a terminal hazzad for our NRL team and he has had 3 years to correct the problem. Lomax showed in just 4 games how a player should defend at right centre.

4. Lafai is a different situation altogether but he too was signed long term by SGI when it would have been more prudent to sign him on a two year deal. when he is on, his attacking skills can be a winner and that goes for his passing game as well however, far too often he is not on-song. In addition he has slowed up a lot; a problem that limits opportunities for his outside winger. If Mann stays, I would prefer Mann to be selected as first choice left centre which may just jolt Lafai into performing at his best.

5. With the exodus of Macdonald and Nightingale, SGI have not seen fit to recruit recognised first grade wingers. Pereira performed adequately as a substitute for an injured Nightingale however, with a new full season at right wing up for grabs, I'd prefer to see a top grade winger/fullback recruited to replace Nightingale with Pereira as a good backup in ISP.

6 & 7. I believe we have two of the best halvesin the competition who play very well to Mary's A plan - power game where our forwards dominate through brute force. I suppose most halves would play well under those circumstances. The need to have a B or even C plan in which they create scoring opportunities for their team mates even when their forwards are not on top. I feel that we shold have co-captains in 2019 - Graham and Widdop. This may free Widdop up a little when Graham is on the field.

8 - 17. Our forward pack is great however, I believe we are still missing one top first grade prop. Yes we can hope that one or two of our young props will come trough during the off-season or Latimore will perform off the bench in 2019. However, I believe if one more top grade prop is not recruited for 2019, we may very well find ourselves in the same position as we were in the past few years; the forwards with injuries and fatigued by around the half way point of the competition. So if the current forward squad is it, I'd be moving Frizell to the middle, T Sims to the right edge and promoting Leilua to the left edge in our run on side. If this were to happen, I would be promoting Robson to the triangle position on the bench.

Let's see how members of our squad perform in the off-seasn and for a change, hope that May selects players on merit.
 

getsmarty

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You have analysed the situation pretty well however, in my honest opinion the remedy needs more attention. SGI has for far too long just ambled along putting loyalty and conservative measures ahead of good management. For me:
1. Dufty was given a good go showing his great attacking skills but also a number of critical skill shortages over a full season in 2018. He MUST rectify his weaknesses to a suitable first grade standard in the PRE-SEASON in order to maintain his spot at fullback. For this reason I remain hopefull that we can recruit a top grade winger/fullback ASAP so that he can be part of our pre-season program. If Dufty come through positively then this winger/fullback would occupy the right wing and be backup for fullback.


Kurt Mann was our leading try scorer in 2015 playing left wing and he only played for half the season....

Why is he not considered by the coach for either wing or centre...Dufty is not a winger ....For all the talk about him having deficiencies, people forget that this year was his first full year in grade....

If the coaching staff cannot address his problems for 2019, then maybe Lomax could be considered in 2020 as a fullback. Personally I would play Lomax ahead of Aitken in the centres, but we all know this is unlikely.
 

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Kurt Mann was our leading try scorer in 2015 playing left wing and he only played for half the season....

Why is he not considered by the coach for either wing or centre...Dufty is not a winger ....For all the talk about him having deficiencies, people forget that this year was his first full year in grade....

If the coaching staff cannot address his problems for 2019, then maybe Lomax could be considered in 2020 as a fullback. Personally I would play Lomax ahead of Aitken in the centres, but we all know this is unlikely.

A winger needs to be quick and Dufty is quick.
A winger needs to be able to contest and take the high ball.
A winger nees to take his man in defence.
A smaller winger needs to cut inside when facing a number of opposition players so that he is not dragged into touch.

I say let Dufty and Field prove themselves on the right wing. Maybe their defensive skills will improve in that position and maybe the likes of Lomax and a new top grade fullback/winger can help to plug the hole out wide if Dufty or field can't cope.
 

getsmarty

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A winger needs to be quick and Dufty is quick.
A winger needs to be able to contest and take the high ball.
A winger nees to take his man in defence.
A smaller winger needs to cut inside when facing a number of opposition players so that he is not dragged into touch.

I say let Dufty and Field prove themselves on the right wing. Maybe their defensive skills will improve in that position and maybe the likes of Lomax and a new top grade fullback/winger can help to plug the hole out wide if Dufty or field can't cope.

A winger needs to be able to contest and take the high ball. ,,,,Dufty..At this stage No

A winger needs to take his man in defence. ..again No..main reason being the modern day winger is usually a big unit...

Mann should be considered...We all know Lafai and Aitken will more than likely be centres...so Lomax Right Wing...2 JP's to fight out left wing...
 

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A winger needs to be quick and Dufty is quick.
A winger needs to be able to contest and take the high ball.
A winger nees to take his man in defence.
A smaller winger needs to cut inside when facing a number of opposition players so that he is not dragged into touch.

I say let Dufty and Field prove themselves on the right wing. Maybe their defensive skills will improve in that position and maybe the likes of Lomax and a new top grade fullback/winger can help to plug the hole out wide if Dufty or field can't cope.
A winger needs to go into dummy half and take the hit up out of their own 20. Dufty and Field get ragdolled in that situation.
 
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possm

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A winger needs to be able to contest and take the high ball. ,,,,Dufty..At this stage No

A winger needs to take his man in defence. ..again No..main reason being the modern day winger is usually a big unit...

Mann should be considered...We all know Lafai and Aitken will more than likely be centres...so Lomax Right Wing...2 JP's to fight out left wing...

Repeating the problems of the past few seasons will not improve our chances in 2019. Aitken is a defensive hazard and if selected at right centre with Lomax on the right wing, Lomax will not see any quality ball.

If Dufty is suspect under the high ball and in defence on the right wing, why would a coach pick him at fullback. Mann had a bad first game at fullback and has not been selected there since.
 

getsmarty

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Repeating the problems of the past few seasons will not improve our chances in 2019. Aitken is a defensive hazard and if selected at right centre with Lomax on the right wing, Lomax will not see any quality ball.

If Dufty is suspect under the high ball and in defence on the right wing, why would a coach pick him at fullback. Mann had a bad first game at fullback and has not been selected there since.

With all due respect..you suggested Dufty at right wing...for me its Fullback or reserves...as we have no other contender he will be fullback. To answer your question "Why would the coach pick him at fullback ?"..simple..Dufty is a fullback.....not a winger.

My suggestion for Lomax ahead of Dufty on the right wing is based on Mary picking Lafai and Aitken as Centres. I would pick Lomax ahead of Aitken at centre....I don't think the coach will...

As per Mann..people keep saying we have no quality wingers....I will state again that Mann was our leading try scorer in 2015 on the left wing and only played there for half the season...so why not pick him there ???? Upside is that if there are any injuries we can re-shuffle backline...

Anyway, its all conjuncture...as we know the coach will stick with his usual "Safe " Selections.
 

Dragonslayer

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With all due respect..you suggested Dufty at right wing...for me its Fullback or reserves...as we have no other contender he will be fullback. To answer your question "Why would the coach pick him at fullback ?"..simple..Dufty is a fullback.....not a winger.

My suggestion for Lomax ahead of Dufty on the right wing is based on Mary picking Lafai and Aitken as Centres. I would pick Lomax ahead of Aitken at centre....I don't think the coach will...

As per Mann..people keep saying we have no quality wingers....I will state again that Mann was our leading try scorer in 2015 on the left wing and only played there for half the season...so why not pick him there ???? Upside is that if there are any injuries we can re-shuffle backline...

Anyway, its all conjuncture...as we know the coach will stick with his usual "Safe " Selections.

100% agree.
I would even go as far as to say that McGregor has already set and photocopied the first 10 round team selections. He nay have gad to redo slightly now that Hayne isnt in the pucture, but the general squad will be.
No doubt Aitken and Lafai will he the centres with Lomax on one wing, with the JP's and Ravalawa fightinvvfof the other.
Mann will be #17
 

possm

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100% agree.
I would even go as far as to say that McGregor has already set and photocopied the first 10 round team selections. He nay have gad to redo slightly now that Hayne isnt in the pucture, but the general squad will be.
No doubt Aitken and Lafai will he the centres with Lomax on one wing, with the JP's and Ravalawa fightinvvfof the other.
Mann will be #17
Any fool would know that Aitken is not a right centre's boot lace. If you want to lose Lomax, just put him on the right wing outside Aitken who will give him no ball and make him look a fool in defence in the dame way Nightingale and Macdonald did in recent times.

Just give one good reason why Aitken should be selected right centre ahead of Lomax.
 

getsmarty

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Any fool would know that Aitken is not a right centre's boot lace. If you want to lose Lomax, just put him on the right wing outside Aitken who will give him no ball and make him look a fool in defence in the dame way Nightingale and Macdonald did in recent times.

Just give one good reason why Aitken should be selected right centre ahead of Lomax.

With all due respect..people agree with you...read their posts...problem is does the coach agree ?
 

Saint_JimmyG

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Anything else wrong with the squad Jimmy?..or have you covered it?
Great prediction though, you covered 8 spots out of 16 on where we would finish. How about you get of the doom and gloom fence and refine your prediction a little to maybe 2 positions...go on..you can do it!

How ‘bout this one?

The coach is STILL McGregor.

Remember, a lot of folk here mocked me when I DARED to suggest that the team’s fantastic start to 2018 was tempered by the fact SGI didn’t really play anyone of note OR a couple of genuine premiership winning sides with early season rust.

I feel, overall, the squad is weaker with the absence of experienced wingers. Is that ok with you, champ?
 

BLM01

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How ‘bout this one?

The coach is STILL McGregor.

Remember, a lot of folk here mocked me when I DARED to suggest that the team’s fantastic start to 2018 was tempered by the fact SGI didn’t really play anyone of note OR a couple of genuine premiership winning sides with early season rust.

I feel, overall, the squad is weaker with the absence of experienced wingers. Is that ok with you, champ?
Its Ok and I was with you with 2018 as I knew we had weaknesses and we came out of the blocks hard..but we have lost an ageing Flo and McDonald who flows in an out and i dont rate. I still think we will sign a decent back of McDonald level..so I dont see us weaker and maybe Jonus Perason can be on par with McDonald anyway who knows. So I reserve my judgement about beaing weaker till March / April. I will give McDonald one thing..his acrobatics to score a try is hard to replace but his positioning in defence and attack at times was terrible.
 

Life's Good

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I suspect that the Hayne Plane will be declared permanently grounded due to faulty & inaccurate cockpit readings.
IMO Our club has fortunately dodged a big problem.
Spot on. I’ll admit, after initially thinking no I was warming to Hayne. Not now. With all due respect & sensitivity over the latest allegations the club has an out & I hope they exercise it.
 

Life's Good

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100% they should L.G. I can see a backlash from sponsors should the Dragons be idiotic enough to sign him .
True mate. We just need to be more aggressive in pursuing players(outside of our junior system). I look at Hunt as an example, we needed a quality 7 & signed one. We need an outside back or 2 so let’s target, as an example, Zelezniak from Penrith or Brimson from the Titans given that contracts are fairly loose nowadays.
 

Dragsters

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True mate. We just need to be more aggressive in pursuing players(outside of our junior system). I look at Hunt as an example, we needed a quality 7 & signed one. We need an outside back or 2 so let’s target, as an example, Zelezniak from Penrith or Brimson from the Titans given that contracts are fairly loose nowadays.

Didn't DWZ just recently sign a 4 or 5 year extension with the pennies?
 

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Didn't DWZ just recently sign a 4 or 5 year extension with the pennies?
Pretty sure he did. I was just making the point that we could be more aggressive by targeting the players we want instead of waiting and then reacting. DWZ was just an example.
 

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