Dragons V Sharks Round 4

[BLM01]

I couldn't give a toss about beating an under-strength Dolphins. So what.
Where was the performance against our local rivals at full strength, they went into their shells alright, didn't want to roll their sleeves up at Kogarah did they.
But its OK, they'll be all high fives and patting each other on the backs against a weaker team this weekend, personally beating Dolphins means nothing to me after yesterday.

Take it easy I agreed with you re yesterday
But I am still going to support the team and watch where i can..what is wrong with that
All i said is the Dragons pull wins out their backside just when we think they are gone.
It happens every year
But if management cant see what they dished up in Griffins hour of need then I dunno anymore if they cant pull the pin sooner
BTW...Dolphins are not that shabby thus far.

 

[Number of the Beath]

Ex players as coaches in my view have never worked

Horsetwaddle.
Exhibit A : Ken Kearney, Norm Provan, Ian Walsh, Harry Bath, David Waite

 

[jodragon40]

Horsetwaddle.
Exhibit A : Ken Kearney, Norm Provan, Ian Walsh, Harry Bath, David Waite

Seriously? That was in another era. Not nowdays. I was there when Harry Babes won but we are talking about 50 yrs ago. David Waite was the most recent and he didn't win us a premiership that is the definition of a successful coach. So check your facts before mouthing off. We are all entitled to our opinions

 

[Number of the Beath]

Seriously? That was in another era. Not nowdays. I was there when Harry Babes won but we are talking about 50 yrs ago. David Waite was the most recent and he didn't win us a premiership that is the definition of a successful coach. So check your facts before mouthing off. We are all entitled to our opinions

Well, perhaps you need to be clear about your extremely narrow frame of reference before you tell anyone else how to think or behave or respond to your preposterous generalisations.
I would have thought getting us to a Grand Final in 1996 with a roster that was way behind other clubs and threatened with fragmentation due to the emergence of Super League makes David Waite very successful.
Tbh, as if the football we're subjected to isn't bad enough it's ridiculous to be arguing over this kind of $hit.

It's worth noting that the most significant non-player to coach us in "recent" times was Roy Masters. A very smart man and a great communicator. Got us close, but never won us a Grand Final. I'd still have him over Griffin, no question.

 

[Crush]

Take it easy I agreed with you re yesterday
But I am still going to support the team and watch where i can..what is wrong with that
All i said is the Dragons pull wins out their backside just when we think they are gone.
It happens every year
But if management cant see what they dished up in Griffins hour of need then I dunno anymore if they cant pull the pin sooner
BTW...Dolphins are not that shabby thus far.

I think you misunderstood me, absolutely nothing wrong with supporting the team.
However beating the dolphins at WIN won’t be pulling a win out of their backside, it’s quite likely. They aren’t betting favourites for nothing.

And I don’t think they are gone, they’ll win games against weaker opponents when they are feeling up and about, just a shame they can’t dig deep and turn up when the opponents make them do some hard yakka. Like yesterday.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I think a new coach is only part of the solution.

You need to jag some marquee and raid other clubs juniors if required. That takes a lot of knowledge, experience and luck.

The good news is that top sides are struggling to retain quality now.

I can’t remember such a disloyal and mercenary whole NRL player group for a long time. Players switch clubs more than cars. It’s a business now more than ever for the talent.

That’s the good news for us doing it tough.

Gutho thinks he’s worth over a million and Douhie wanted 900. Ffs, is there no end to it?!

 

[denis preston]

Don't want Ryles don't want Young or any other ex player no matter what era they are from. Coaching is a really tough gig at any level. We need a disciplinarian who walks into the sheds and tells it as it is. Then is able to walk into the boardroom and do exactly the same.

Some of what I took from yesterday's game:

- I was confident up until I saw Musgrove was starting over Bird. I basically accepted at that point we were going down in this game. To me, it showed Hook wanted to go back to playing a boring, slow, non-expansive game. Now, we all know Hook usually does his interchanges by the clock. 12-14 minutes in (really early), I believe Hook realised his mistake of starting Musgrove and got Bird on. This cost us an interchange, and meant Mbye did not go off at the usual 20 minute mark. Mbye staying on meant we could not capitalise on our domination of the game between about the 15-30 minute mark. His holding up of the ball at the ruck doesn't let us get a roll on and slows our play down so much. If you look at the Su'a try, Mbye almost bombs what should've been such an easy four-pointer by holding the ball up at the ruck, the sharks almost managed to recover to get over to stop the try because of it.

- Zac Lomax is currently the worst centre in the NRL, possibly the worst player. There are some average duds in the NRL, but the negative of Zac Lomax makes him far worse. The ability to pull off an incredible play once a season doesn't make you a good player, he should be dropped. Not even his goal kicking is of any use anymore. He is another player who slows down our play drastically by throwing players off his back before playing the ball, crawling around on the ground far enough that every two play the balls he's told to go back and play it. He can't even take a high ball anymore either, he's actually regressed as a player, he's horrible and a thorn in the side of this team. His defence is so so poor. I don't know why he has ever been credited with being a good defender either, this was his main problem coming into grade when he did. He rushes in and leaves his winger posted. I cannot believe how Michael Ennis during the commentary blamed Mat Feagai for one of the tries scored when Lomax rushes up past the ball and got no one. With Feagai left in a two on one, was he not going to try and tackle the ball carrier? Not to mention Lomax continues to nominate himself for the "biggest cock in the NRL award" weekly, up there with cody walker.

- Sloan and Bud are far from the issue with this team, you can see them getting better. Continual improvement in young players is important, it shows that they're learning and actually taking on board ways to improve their game. Sloan's try saver was incredible, let's not forget how badly the odds were stacked against him in that situation. Does he even attempt a proper tackle in that situation last year? Probably not. It's a low bar, but that is improvement in an area that desperately needed it, and he has now come up with two try savers in as many weeks.

- Blake Lawrie tries hard, but he continues to confirm what many will refuse to admit. Simply, he is not good enough. He has rightly earned himself appraisal from many who doubt him, but he just doesn't have it in him. He's not who you want leading your pack, he's a bench prop at best and doesn't even make the 17 at many other NRL teams. He is the first picked prop at the Dragons. Let that sink in.

Sad but true. Also getting Gallen like in demanding the ball for his 5 metre hitups. It stifles whatever little attack we have.

 

[This Year?]

I think a new coach is only part of the solution.

You need to jag some marquee and raid other clubs juniors if required. That takes a lot of knowledge, experience and luck.

The good news is that top sides are struggling to retain quality now.

I can’t remember such a disloyal and mercenary whole NRL player group for a long time. Players switch clubs more than cars. It’s a business now more than ever for the talent.

That’s the good news for us doing it tough.

Gutho thinks he’s worth over a million and Douhie wanted 900. Ffs, is there no end to it?!

I think you're right. Our club doesn't attract talent unless we pay massive overs. I knew Suli didn't want to come here but it makes me wonder how much the new signings want to be here

‘I didn't want to come here either’: Dragons star’s shock reveal after latest swap deal

‘Didn’t want to come here either’: Dragons star’s shock reveal after latest swap deal

www.foxsports.com.au

Ugh sorry about the link taking forever to work

 

[Exsilium]

Its hard for the Dragons to sign players when the Sharks are doing so well. If you had a choice, geographically, you chose the sharks.

I don't think Hook is the sole issue. You need to build around Liddle, Hunt and Amone. I'd give Griffdawg another season. Give the rebuild another year.

 

[denis preston]

So disappointed with the result I wasn't going to comment but....
What's up with Hunt?
I have noticed the last couple of games he is constantly scowling and mouthing expletives right from the outset.
He doesn't appear to be saying anything to his team mates.
He only seems to be effective from broken play and his kicks are not creating any problems for the receivers.

Agree with most of the comments above although I can't completely blame the coach.
These are adults playing professional sport.
If they can't be motivated for the fans, the team / club, or the coach, they should still be playing for themselves and their careers.
We have seen that they can perform for periods of the game, so they can do better.

I suspect we are missing a top class forward leader or two to keep these guys accountable...like Webke, Kennedy, etc.
A no nonsense player who makes sure the players don't get into lazy bad habits.
The Storm have always had a couple of dominant forwards anck to follow and the halves running the team during the game ensuring that they don't let each other down.

Hope we persist with Sloan and Sullivan. Not sure about Lomax, he can't kick goals and is missing tackles.
The young inexperienced players may have an excuse, but the older guys should not be falling apart.

If we can't win the next 2 weeks, we are in big danger of fighting it out for the spoon.

Well said.We need a forward leader that commands respect and gets the pack to follow. This player has to be elite and won’t be cheap but it is just about priority 1.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

@jodragon40 was nailing it on the weekend.

The leadership has to start at the top in the club and front office and work it’s way down.

Takes a bit of time and adjustment and people have to accept that they have failed.

None of the west tigers board have been prepared to accept their shortcomings and bad decision making. They are either operating under a delusion, are selfish or a bit of both. I think that goes some way in explaining our poor footy outcomes. And they will be around for awhile.

A marquee and a new coach are probably bandaids.

The extended Mary experience shows how bad the sgi board was. A lot of it was unnecessary.

There’s nothing real or imagined that can prevent sgi from becoming as powerful as the Roosters etc, if it makes good decisions.

 

[jodragon40]

@jodragon40 was nailing it on the weekend.

The leadership has to start at the top in the club and front office and work it’s way down.

Takes a bit of time and adjustment and people have to accept that they have failed.

None of the west tigers board have been prepared to accept their shortcomings and bad decision making. They are either operating under a delusion, are selfish of both. I think that goes some way in explaining the poor footy outcomes. And they will be around for awhile.

A marquee and a new coach are probably bandaids.

Talking about the Wests Tigers were you aware that our current CEO Ryan Webb was for 3 yrs the CEO for the Tigers, don’t figure does it?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

The Broncos stole Melbourne’s CEO, he’s done great job up there.

I think it might be possible to distill some decisions that lead to power.

The roosters have continually punched above their weight in recruitment and executive for many years.

Robbo is capable of some really dumb remarks, makes the odd error, but by and large, he gets it right.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

A split board can still succeed if it somehow spits out the good decisions amongst the wrestle!

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I think Sgi has better leadership than the Tigers and Hook hasn’t had a lot of options.

I think he’s had a swing at it, but he can’t perform miracles.

I’d sack Sheens in an instant for Hook. It would be one continuous movement!

 

[jeffdragon]

A week is a long time in footy.
Look at the sharks lead by 20 and got done.
Softens the blow a bit of what happened last week.

 

[I'm Hornby]

A week is a long time in footy.
Look at the sharks lead by 20 and got done.
Softens the blow a bit of what happened last week.

What did Fitzy say in his half time speech?

 

[RedVee_8]

What did Fitzy say in his half time speech?

“Remember last week”

but they remembered the wrong bit

 

[jak]

What did Fitzy say in his half time speech?

not much apparently

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I think you're right. Our club doesn't attract talent unless we pay massive overs. I knew Suli didn't want to come here but it makes me wonder how much the new signings want to be here

‘I didn't want to come here either’: Dragons star’s shock reveal after latest swap deal

‘Didn’t want to come here either’: Dragons star’s shock reveal after latest swap deal

www.foxsports.com.au

Ugh sorry about the link taking forever to work

He proves my point.

Good win on the weekend, I enjoyed it.