DT: Tim Smith leaves dark place for comeback

[caylo]

All this analysis over Tim Smiths play is pointless, even if he does come back to Parra. Begining of the year, Robson had poor organisational play and his kicking was terrible and Dan Mortimers wasnt that flash either. Now they are going gang busters. If DA can get these 2, along with Lowrie to develop their game like they have, he will undoubtedly do it with Timmy aswell.

I always looked at Timmy and thought he had all the specialties of a halfback but lacked all the hard stuff and the less flashy stuff. If thats all DA needs to instill into Timmys game, he will play first grade at Parra again.

Mate for all I am saying about Timmy and all the best success I hope he has I dont want to see him in a Blue and Gold in the future. He has had his problems here but we have a stable to with 2 young halves (maybe not as good, maybe better) who are psycologically better then Tim. They may not have his vision or some of his skills but they are players themselves who dont seem over-awed by anything. I hope timmy moves to brisbane, NZ or even Canberra were he can be an asset to the game and I hope we keep the current culture at the club with this group of players that should be rewarded for their efforts this year.

 

[bartman]

I don't know if this has been said......
But its simply a case of that we dont have much money.
And it comes down to that tim smith may take $55k offer and robson may not.......

Robson deserves more than that... and may well find it in England, and good luck to him. But I hope that means we offer the $55K to someone with a better chance of performing well for us in the future than Tim Smith, like one of our younger backrowers for example.

T.Smith-- training with the sharks

I hope so...

 

[bartman]

Mate for all I am saying about Timmy and all the best success I hope he has I dont want to see him in a Blue and Gold in the future. He has had his problems here but we have a stable to with 2 young halves (maybe not as good, maybe better) who are psycologically better then Tim. They may not have his vision or some of his skills but they are players themselves who dont seem over-awed by anything. I hope timmy moves to brisbane, NZ or even Canberra were he can be an asset to the game and I hope we keep the current culture at the club with this group of players that should be rewarded for their efforts this year.

:thumn.

If Tim is to come back to NRL next year on a minimum contract and playing park footy, he (and his condition etc) would be much better served doing it away from Sydney imo, with less pressure.

 

[Eelementary]

Timmy could organise a team, you just have to look at the players and the lines they were running. Timmy always knew what he was doing and more often then not hit his mark. He has a good 2005 and very avg 2006 which included injuries and media speculation, he then came back and had a Top 2007 before falling away after 3 games in 2008. Essentially Tim played 3 season and in two of those seasons we won the minor premiership once and made it to the penultimate game in both years.

In 2008 we had nothing in attack outside of off the cuff plays from Mateo and not until Jarryd has taken more of a role in attack have we seen any organisation back into the team.

Tim has a much better passing game and kicking game then Robson, you cant even compare them. Tim running game is just as good of not better then Robson. Tim organise an attack better then Robson (for this reason he wont wont suit parramatta any more because this would take ball away from Jarryd IMO).

Robson is a better support player and a better defender (not not traits required by a halfback, if anything more a 5-8 game). You can argue otherwise Lingard but simple the stats won support you tbh.

Tim Smith has the halfback game to win a comp (without an organising 5-8 or fullback) while Robson could not do it on his own and requires a skillful 5-8 or fullback. example:

how far would go in a comp

1 Burt

6 Finch/Morris
7 Robson

compared to

1 Burt

6 Finch/Morris
7 T.Smith

Tim got to th3 prelim finals with 2 useless 5-8 and an average fullback. Robson is in a team with a more attacking 5-8 and the best player in the world at fullback (even when Hayne was at fullback in 06/07 he wanst nearly as good as he is now). If Robson was in a team were he was the sole or main playmaker you would nto even consider making such comments. Lingard I respect most of what you say but you are being naive.

Get your mits off it. Better running game? :roll:

 

[Eelementary]

Timmy could organise a team, you just have to look at the players and the lines they were running. Timmy always knew what he was doing and more often then not hit his mark. He has a good 2005 and very avg 2006 which included injuries and media speculation, he then came back and had a Top 2007 before falling away after 3 games in 2008. Essentially Tim played 3 season and in two of those seasons we won the minor premiership once and made it to the penultimate game in both years.

In 2008 we had nothing in attack outside of off the cuff plays from Mateo and not until Jarryd has taken more of a role in attack have we seen any organisation back into the team.

Tim has a much better passing game and kicking game then Robson, you cant even compare them. Tim running game is just as good of not better then Robson. Tim organise an attack better then Robson (for this reason he wont wont suit parramatta any more because this would take ball away from Jarryd IMO).

Robson is a better support player and a better defender (not not traits required by a halfback, if anything more a 5-8 game). You can argue otherwise Lingard but simple the stats won support you tbh.

Tim Smith has the halfback game to win a comp (without an organising 5-8 or fullback) while Robson could not do it on his own and requires a skillful 5-8 or fullback. example:

how far would go in a comp

1 Burt

6 Finch/Morris
7 Robson

compared to

1 Burt

6 Finch/Morris
7 T.Smith

Tim got to th3 prelim finals with 2 useless 5-8 and an average fullback. Robson is in a team with a more attacking 5-8 and the best player in the world at fullback (even when Hayne was at fullback in 06/07 he wanst nearly as good as he is now). If Robson was in a team were he was the sole or main playmaker you would nto even consider making such comments. Lingard I respect most of what you say but you are being naive.

He's being naive?

FFS you're calling Tim's 5/8's in those years useless. I 2005 Morris had a fantastic season and set up just as many tries as Tim and took the pressure off him defensively. In 2007 it was much the same with Sooky Lala.

But here you want to say it's all on Tim's supposed 'natural brilliance'?

f**k me you pro-Tim fans are biased.

 

[caylo]

Get your mits off it. Better running game? :roll:

I was waiting for this, people talk about tim smiths running game. In 2006 tim was just a stand and pass player which rumour has it was B.Smith fault and trained him to do that.

Tim at his best in 2005 and 2007 always ran to the line and let the defence chose what he would do. Tim could throw the ball short or long in tha same movement, Tim showed the ball and if the team hung back and slid he would hit a man coming back against the grain and if they compressed and came up in his face he would utilise the long ball or the kick.

Tim was not a fast player and would not run through a defencive line because he didnt have the speed off the mark but he did get in behind defence with his footwork (which was actually very good) and then hit a support player. Robson himself will only ever make a break in support he does not have the footwork to break the line even thou he takes on the line alot more then T.Smith did, that is why Robson is a better support player but does not have a better running game. Mortz and KK has a much better running game then Timmy and I wont argue that, simply because they can break the line with their speed and footwork. Tim could only ever beat a player, he never had the acelleration to go straight through like Mortz did on Friday.

 

[caylo]

He's being naive?

FFS you're calling Tim's 5/8's in those years useless. I 2005 Morris had a fantastic season and set up just as many tries as Tim and took the pressure off him defensively. In 2007 it was much the same with Sooky Lala.

But here you want to say it's all on Tim's supposed 'natural brilliance'?

f**k me you pro-Tim fans are biased.

You say Morris had a fantastic year but then Timmy didnt. Putting it in perspective we had a brilliant backline with guys like Tahu, Hayne, Inu, Burt, Grothe and B.Smith all in good form. I would hope that Morris could have some try assist to his name, but Tim kicking game and organising skills are the most pleasing things from his 2005 year over him leading the try assists.

How would Robson and Morris go in the halves, how would Robson and Finch go in the halves? Those two would have to be the worst halves pairing I could fathom simply beause their is not point of attack. Robson fits our team and he is play wonderfully, Im not taking that away from him, Robson is doing his job and doin it very very well.

BUT without Hayne and Mortimer there I doubt he is capable of making the big plays through a game for 80min. Tim Smith had that ability and that is why it makes him a better halfback, maybe not a better fit for parramatta but a better halfback when you consider a halfbacks role.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

I was waiting for this, people talk about tim smiths running game. In 2006 tim was just a stand and pass player which rumour has it was B.Smith fault and trained him to do that.

Tim at his best in 2005 and 2007 always ran to the line and let the defence chose what he would do. Tim could throw the ball short or long in tha same movement, Tim showed the ball and if the team hung back and slid he would hit a man coming back against the grain and if they compressed and came up in his face he would utilise the long ball or the kick.

Tim was not a fast player and would not run through a defencive line because he didnt have the speed off the mark but he did get in behind defence with his footwork (which was actually very good) and then hit a support player. Robson himself will only ever make a break in support he does not have the footwork to break the line even thou he takes on the line alot more then T.Smith did, that is why Robson is a better support player but does not have a better running game. Mortz and KK has a much better running game then Timmy and I wont argue that, simply because they can break the line with their speed and footwork. Tim could only ever beat a player, he never had the acelleration to go straight through like Mortz did on Friday.

A very good truthful summary Caylo.

They are 2 different styles of players who played in different team formations/structures/coaches/players. Under DA & PO etc, I foresee Tim being recognised as the best 7 on earth (in either code) within 24 months (probably within 12 months). DA will design a style of game that will be a win win situation for the team without inhibiting Hayne, Mortimer, Inu, Mateo, Keating bothers, Mitchell, Tahu, etc etc.

A golden era recognised as the best attacking football seen (in either code), year after year, for at least 6 years (from next year) will be built around Tim Smith & the other brilliant Eels players. The most breathtaking football on earth will draw in massive crowds, revolutionise this sport, put a smile on Goulds face so that he will rest in peace forevermore and assist this code to spread in the USA, Russia, France, Italy, South Africa, etc etc.

Rugby Union is a most boring boring game and this Eels golden era will cause massive problems to Union.

The rise of the working class will slowly kill off the boring union game once and for all. League is the peoples game, its not for the establishment/upper class. The global economic downturn is not the only tool that will sink the establishment Titanic, sports like league will as well. There are other factors as well but not needed to be discussed here and now.

Tim Smith represents so much more to the future of League than all the armchair critics currently having a go at the MAN Tim Smith. When Tim plays well the sport of League is elevated to greater heights. We need to bring the best out of Tim Smith so that the best of League inspires millions to join the sport. He is so unique and talented that this gift must not be lost to League, particularly to the Eels club, so DA & PO if you haven't already done so, then please sign him up real quick and get on with Tim rebuilding his life and game so that millions will appreciate the talents of an absolute genius and freak.

Bring the MAN to the fore, not the dollars and cents. The game is built on the MAN, stuff the business as it comes second a long long long way back. Please get back to the true roots of this game inspired by brilliant freaks like Dally Messenger. The MAN lives on..... not the $$$$$.

Boooooooooooo Casper

 

[lingard]

Man, you're absolutely nuts, aren't you? Anyway, I think some of your posts are funny. I really liked the Ben Smith / Gareth Ellis one. That was really funny.

 

[lingard]

I was waiting for this, people talk about tim smiths running game. In 2006 tim was just a stand and pass player which rumour has it was B.Smith fault and trained him to do that.

Tim at his best in 2005 and 2007 always ran to the line and let the defence chose what he would do. Tim could throw the ball short or long in tha same movement, Tim showed the ball and if the team hung back and slid he would hit a man coming back against the grain and if they compressed and came up in his face he would utilise the long ball or the kick.

Tim was not a fast player and would not run through a defencive line because he didnt have the speed off the mark but he did get in behind defence with his footwork (which was actually very good) and then hit a support player. Robson himself will only ever make a break in support he does not have the footwork to break the line even thou he takes on the line alot more then T.Smith did, that is why Robson is a better support player but does not have a better running game. Mortz and KK has a much better running game then Timmy and I wont argue that, simply because they can break the line with their speed and footwork. Tim could only ever beat a player, he never had the acelleration to go straight through like Mortz did on Friday.

Yeah, I respect your thoughts too, Caylo. And really, it's not an argument worth getting worked up over; just interesting, that's all. I agree, Tim had very good footwork. And he had a very good short and long passing game when it was on. Same with his kicking game. I just prefer Jeff Robson as a half, that's all. Of course Smith's brilliance was amazing at times - he did things AT TIMES that I've never seen another half-back do EVER. But for mine, he was not a great team player and he was not consistent enough.
Anyway, I wish him well at another club. I hope he doesn't go to Cronulla. Ricky Stewart - great half-back that he was - seems to have no success whatever in coaching half-backs, which is very ironic but true.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Man, you're absolutely nuts, aren't you? Anyway, I think some of your posts are funny. I really liked the Ben Smith / Gareth Ellis one. That was really funny.

Thanks for sharing in the laughter Lingard, the more we all do it the more we shift the Eels out of the 23 year dross of negativity.

The sun shines and all is good......

Can you pick a fault with this????

Booooooooooooo Casper

 

[caylo]

he was not a great team player and he was not consistent enough.

That is why I dont want Timmy here. Jarryd, Mortz, KK and MK would be deprived of the ball if Tim was here a bit like if Thurston, Orford or Kimmorley was to come to this club. We don't need a dominate halfback but rather someone who can organise and lead a team consistantly which is what Robson offers atm

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I live with someone with a depressive illness and trust me how they act is not in the individuals control, most of the time they don't realise what they are doing !!! And they are easily influenced, and not always for the best which is what I am experiencing now.

Wasn't Timmy friends with Finch and Riddell ? if so enough said

 

[benoir91]

That is why I dont want Timmy here. Jarryd, Mortz, KK and MK would be deprived of the ball if Tim was here a bit like if Thurston, Orford or Kimmorley was to come to this club. We don't need a dominate halfback but rather someone who can organise and lead a team consistantly which is what Robson offers atm

Is that a serious comment or a joke...How the hell could those players be deprived of the ball if Smith came to the Eels, Smith doesnt even run the ball ffs all he does is pass :crazy:

Thats probably the least likely thing to happen if Smith came back.

 

[yy_cheng]

And didn't smith play with a lot of the boys in the lower grades?

 

[caylo]

I live with someone with a depressive illness and trust me how they act is not in the individuals control, most of the time they don't realise what they are doing !!! And they are easily influenced, and not always for the best which is what I am experiencing now.

Wasn't Timmy friends with Finch and Riddell ? if so enough said

I have a mate who suffers from depression (not bi-polar but not to dissimilar). He used to get angry alot and was on meds etc but apart from being moody the guy is normal, he did very well in his HSC (over 94) even thou it stopped him from studying alot, he is pretty focused at uni now (studies engineering) and he decided to stop taking the meds and he actually improved.

I believe psycological diseases are over diagnosed (and the opinnion of alot of specialist) and people then catergroise themselves believe its ok to act like that. Everyone gets upset and had mood swing but you put it behind you and move on.

Many of you may think this is a naive point of view but its the way I was brought up, my father had to deal with problems in his early adulthood that non of you here could ever imagine. He moved countries and started a new life, got married, had children and 3 of his children are at uni (the last 1 sitting his HSC now).

Timmy didnt deal with his problems well and that cost him, media speculation made it harder for him but no one forces a drink in your hand and he knew very well it was wrong after being put on an alcohol ban. He was very lucky not to have his contract ripped up even thou he never assulted anyone.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I have a mate who suffers from depression (not bi-polar but not to dissimilar). He used to get angry alot and was on meds etc but apart from being moody the guy is normal, he did very well in his HSC (over 94) even thou it stopped him from studying alot, he is pretty focused at uni now (studies engineering) and he decided to stop taking the meds and he actually improved.

I believe psycological diseases are over diagnosed (and the opinnion of alot of specialist) and people then catergroise themselves believe its ok to act like that. Everyone gets upset and had mood swing but you put it behind you and move on.

Many of you may think this is a naive point of view but its the way I was brought up, my father had to deal with problems in his early adulthood that non of you here could ever imagine. He moved countries and started a new life, got married, had children and 3 of his children are at uni (the last 1 sitting his HSC now).

Timmy didnt deal with his problems well and that cost him, media speculation made it harder for him but no one forces a drink in your hand and he knew very well it was wrong after being put on an alcohol ban. He was very lucky not to have his contract ripped up even thou he never assulted anyone.

Yeah I agree that you need to put things behind you and move on, but my experience is that individuals with this illness cannot do this, they always think the worst. For you and I the glass is half full but for them it is half empty. And don't me started on meds, I don't have the illness but my understanding once you start it is hard to stop - and doctors are always willing to prescribe, it takes a lot of support to break th cycle.

 

[parra pete]

lingard...been there, done that. You are banging your head up against a wall arguing with the Tim 'fans'.

There are none so blind than those who will not see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDEre-zjPNg

 

[Fee]

Yeah I agree that you need to put things behind you and move on, but my experience is that individuals with this illness cannot do this, they always think the worst. For you and I the glass is half full but for them it is half empty. And don't me started on meds, I don't have the illness but my understanding once you start it is hard to stop - and doctors are always willing to prescribe, it takes a lot of support to break th cycle.

It is so hard when you start talking about mental illnesses, because although you may be diagnosed with a certain illness that said illness is different when it happens to you as an individual, there needs to be so much support from say family , professionals and friends. I have had a few people in my family suffer from a few different mental problems and it is so difficult to get through without a lot of support, which Im not sure how much of that Timmy had.

 

[Bazal]

There are none so blind than those who will not see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDEre-zjPNg

Like yourself, I assume...go back to something you understand, like posting irrelevant youtube links and whinging about your "unfair" treatment