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Expansion - YOUR THOUGHTS!!!

lockyno1

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If we are to expand I'd rather go to a "safe" expansion area rather than Perth or Adelaide who have failed before. Sth East QLD first, Wellington 2nd, then maybe Adealide/Perth
 

Bulldog Force

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If we are to expand I'd rather go to a "safe" expansion area rather than Perth or Adelaide who have failed before. Sth East QLD first, Wellington 2nd, then maybe Adealide/Perth
Another SE QLD tema? you're kidding right? They already have huge Brisbane and Titans fan base. No more expansion into SE qld - it will fail. Seeing you're having a go at Perth, didn't the GOLD COAST fail first time round???
 

rabbitohs

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I dont think it would.

we have had too many half @rse attempts in the past!

We need full on assaults


I don't think it half arsed. More capturing a needed market and maximising potential. There is far less antipathy between WA and SA than there is between other states...and the Victorians so it could work. I know a lot of union fans here who support the Force for that very reason.
 

Rockin Ronny

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Central Coast Bears - In a TV revenue regard Norths will not really add anything to the pie (but primarily take) because they do not really add many new potential RL viewers (some disgrunted back but not many). Most CC people already watch RL on a regular basis and are affiliated with an NRL team already. I am not against Norths, on a crowd and financial basis they would be solid (however certainly not the every week sellout some think)


I think the question must be answered "Why should your team/area be in first?

Gee, Josh - you have no idea how anti Bears fans became and left the game because they were cheated and their licence handed to Manly. The CC Bears would bring many, many thousands of people back to the game. As for crowd, solid etc, most teams struggle to crack 10,000 per game. Brisbane inflate the figures by miles. Gosford would be packed out every week AND one game at NSO would be bursting if the Bears played Manly once a year. You need to compare a new team to what the current teams offer - which is not much.

As for the last question - the NRL/ARL has said for years that CC was critical, a go-to area, to "fish where the fish are". That is why they encouraged the Bears to relocate, promised a licence, sat back while the Bears instigated the building of Gosford Stadium - then watched as the Bears were dudded in the Manly deal, then put Gold Coast in (despite Singleton's backing). Put simply - until the CC Bears are rightfully put in, rugby league will have the "dodgy deal" smell about - and rightly so.
 

lockyno1

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Another SE QLD tema? you're kidding right? They already have huge Brisbane and Titans fan base. No more expansion into SE qld - it will fail. Seeing you're having a go at Perth, didn't the GOLD COAST fail first time round???

Another team in QLD will be more likely to succeed than Perth. Logistically it is difficult as well as it is 3-4 hours to Perth. Fans pack out Suncorp, another team in that area will pack out that stadium even more. It is crimminal that Suncorp (the best league stadium we have) is not used every week. I would rather Wellington who have a good league base over Perth any day of the week.
 

dimitri

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If we are to expand I'd rather go to a "safe" expansion area rather than Perth or Adelaide who have failed before. Sth East QLD first, Wellington 2nd, then maybe Adealide/Perth

WTF!

SAFE - like the Sth QLD Crushers!

WTF
 

dimitri

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Another SE QLD tema? you're kidding right? They already have huge Brisbane and Titans fan base. No more expansion into SE qld - it will fail. Seeing you're having a go at Perth, didn't the GOLD COAST fail first time round???


Yes, and so did the crushers
 

Dutchy

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Southern Wombats.

Based out of Hindmarsh or Adelaide Oval.

U/20s - combined from SA + WA juniors.
JBC and NRL sides.
 
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Dutchy

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id keep every team thats there now.

then add over the next..10 years maybe.

Perth Reds
Adelaide
Sunshine Coast
Central Coast


Then You could have 4 divisions of 5 teams. you play everyone in your division twice.
the other teams once.

say you had...

Parra
Newcastle
Titans
Warriors
Storm

Brisbane
St George
Souths
Central Coast
Canberra

Roosters
Cronulla
Cowboys
Adelaide
Wests

Bulldogs
Sunshine Coast
Manly
Penrith
Perth

or something like that.
 

franklin2323

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I dont think it would.

we have had too many half @rse attempts in the past!

We need full on assaults

exactly why we need Perth in the comp. We had Reds playing in the 3rd tier comp now. Moving up 2 NSW Cup next year. Has won the allied States for the past 3 years (Even over vic which has the Storm). People the force go ok with support and sponsors. Most of their fans are expats of NZ, SA, Eng all countries don't seem to mind League and Union. Just Schedule the games alternate weeks to Super 14. And most people would go to both games. So I can't see why it wouldn't work
 

babyg

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My vote's for a national comp over consolidating Qld but Bears coming back is first preference, closely followed by Perth.

Future
2nd NZ
Adelaide
Redcliffe/Sunshine Coast Qld
PNG
 

Bluebags1908

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Just an observation on the teams that are bidding or are being spoken about as potential expansion areas, there are 6 realistic bids in total:

Central Coast Bears
WA Reds
PNG (with maybe half their games in Darwin?)
2nd Brisbane
2nd NZ
Adelaide

These 6 teams can be grouped in 3 categories of 2:

RL heartland -
Central Caost Bears
2nd Brisbane

Non-RL areas -
WA Reds
Adelaide

International -
PNG
2nd NZ

Of the above teams, 2nd NZ team and PNG will be able to develop their own players (PNG has 2 million players and there are already 64 Kiwis playing in the NRL). These 2 teams will also be able to assist the Australia teams as any surplus players will be able to sign with OZ clubs.

Central Coast and 2nd Brisbane would be able to assist in retaining players in the NRL instead of going to UK Super League, as well as stimulate player participation and development in their already strong RL areas.

WA Reds has a small but proven player base that is impressive for a non-RL state and will be able to develop a small pool of players but nowhere near enough to sustain an NRL club, so most of their players will come from elsewhere. The WA Reds are better at player development than the Victoria even with the advantage of the Melbourne Storm being established for 12 years.

Adelaide is a total and complete black hole as far as players go. Thus will be a totally imported team for many, many years.

So going by the above I don't think we will have a problem finding enough players, especially as the UK Super League is cutting back on their foreign player quotas.

I think what the above shows us is that there is a massive potential for Rugby League to grow - and with it comes a huge increase in revenue. I must say the options available to the NRL for expansion areas present a terrific geographic and cultural diversity that simply doesn't exist for other codes, and in theory will be relatively easier to go into than other codes (and this doesn't include areas where RL has already enjoys a presence that other codes don't - Newcastle, Wollongong, Canberra, North Queensland, Auckland). Four great advantage the game has is that - unlike other codes that have a very hard road ahead of them in trying to estabish clubs in barren and foreign territory - 4 of the 6 potential expansion areas are either Rugby League strongholds or the game is well known and well established:

* Central Coast and 2nd Brisbane team need no introduction - they are Rugby League strongholds and tick all the boxes.

* Rugby League in PNG is a religion. They will have a problem attracting Aussies and Kiwis to live in PNG, but this problem could be solved by perhaps basing the team in Darwin and having home games split between Darwin and Port Moresby. That way it's a win-win as the NRL then gets a footprint into Darwin as well and can pretty much take over the Northern Territory from other codes.

* Rugby League in New Zealand may be in the shadow of Rugby Union but unlike expanding into non-RL states the game is still very well known in these parts and have long-established traditions and domestic structures in place. Wellington and Christchurch have close to 100+ years of RL history and have hosted Test matches and other major matches against international touring teams and supplied countless numbers of players, although nowhere near as many as Auckland.

Expanding into Adelaide and Perth will be a hard slog, but when you look at it, having a single team in a city of 1m (Adelaide) and 1.5m (Perth) there's enough people population-wise to develop support for a team. And whilst it will never become the number 1 code, the bonus for the NRL is that unlike other codes intruding onto RL turf they will be able to make a more significant impact on the populous as Adelaide and Perth are relatively small cities.

Perhaps the only other area that can be explored is a 2nd Melbourne team. I would start by immediately telling the Melbourne Storm to pull out their Central Coast Storm team from teh NSW Cup and establish a 2nd semi-professional Melbourne club to act as their NSW Cup feeder team (and if the Central Coast Bears are admitted to the NRL then they will have to vacate the Central Coast anyway). This club must be established in a key strategic and geographic area in Melbourne (for e.g. Geelong) with the intention of having this strategic area potentially being representative of an NRL club many years down the track - IF it were to come to fruition. It may take 30+ years or so and we will not know if this club is to replace a existing NRL club, but they would be a 'work in progress' and stay in the NSW Cup and IF such a time comes along that a 2nd Melbourne tam is warranted. If a 2nd Melbourne team is not warranted then they simply just remain in the NSW Cup forever more (they need a reserve grade side anyway).


In addition to a 2nd Melbourne team in the NSW Cup, expansion at a 2nd tier level can also involve having Adelaide and Perth having 2nd teams act as feeder clubs (Port Adelaide & Fremantle?). The 2nd Melbourne, Perth, and Adelaide teams would have have their own distinct geographical identitiy and with completely different names, colours and logos. These 2nd tier feeder teams can also play a significant role in assisting the game in making much-needed inroads at a grass-roots level into enemy turf - especially if the 2nd tier can be televised.

And to top it all off, Sydney teams can take 2-3 games to Tasmania each year. They we have everywhere covered.

Hopefully none of the current teams go down the gurgler, and having 22 teams isn’t going to happen soon but the next 2 should be in at the time of the next TV deal. All we need now is for the NRL to put a plan in place.
 
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KHunt

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If there were to bring in a Perth team - it would have to be called the Perth Dirty Reds. To satisfy the long timer Glebe supporters still furious they're team hasn't been granted readmission to first grade.
 

KHunt

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* Rugby League in PNG is a religion. They will have a problem attracting Aussies and Kiwis to live in PNG, but this problem could be solved by perhaps basing the team in Darwin and having home games split between Darwin and Port Moresby. That way it's a win-win as the NRL then gets a footprint into Darwin as well and can pretty much take over the Northern Territory from other codes.

* Rugby League in New Zealand may be in the shadow of Rugby Union but unlike expanding into non-RL states the game is still very well known in these parts and have long-established traditions and domestic structures in place. Wellington and Christchurch have close to 100+ years of RL history and have hosted Test matches and other major matches and supplied countless numbers of players, although nowhere near as many as Auckland.

The problem is the dickheads from Perth and Melbourne keep whinging that this isn't a national comp. They've never whinged about an international comp.
 

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