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Five Gone - Confirmed

ALSGI

Bench
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Not sure how you think that
No back up halves
No back up lock or FB
Very ordinary centres in Lafai & Aitken and no guarantee of Lomax getting a start straight up
Wingers are only newbies and the notion Perreira is a high quality 1st grade performer is laughable.
Our squad is paper thin and we continue to attract mid strength players only.
Not sure how you think that either.

No back up halves, FB or lock? Agree mostly but not many clubs can back these up without throwing lambs to the wolves and this is exactly what you’ve been screaming for anyway, give our youngsters a crack right? Or are you suggesting we sign more journeymen as back ups at the expense of juniors ? Can’t have it both ways OT.

Who said Pereira was a high quality 1st grade performer? Not me. Although that is not as laughable as you suggest based on his last few games and with more experience and improvement he could be.

I’d dearly love to see some improvements in our coaching staff and backs though.

Honestly OT, to say our squad is paper thin is really poor. Our squad is far from paper thin, in fact a very good squad that will be in it up to their eye balls next year.
 

2010

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I remember we signed Vaughan from Canberra and he wasn’t tried that much in first grade and look how he turned out for us.
We also bought Kerr and look how he has turned out.
So there is an argument for both sides of the fence.
Time will tell
 

BLM01

Coach
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Should this thread change to Seven Gone?. Nene and I hear Mann has already signed 2 year deal with Mr Brown. Not a huge problem to lose both. As I said on another post I believe we will announce a signing of a decent 1st grade outside back....soon.....tick tick tick
 

True_Believer

Juniors
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I remember we signed Vaughan from Canberra and he wasn’t tried that much in first grade and look how he turned out for us.
We also bought Kerr and look how he has turned out.
So there is an argument for both sides of the fence.
Time will tell

Exactly, some will hit, some will miss. Like I said in another post, different players will thrive in different environments. It's as much about getting players that will fit with the club as much as it's about getting players with the right skillset and skill levels.
 

denis preston

First Grade
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Not sure how you think that
No back up halves
No back up lock or FB
Very ordinary centres in Lafai & Aitken and no guarantee of Lomax getting a start straight up
Wingers are only newbies and the notion Perreira is a high quality 1st grade performer is laughable.
Our squad is paper thin and we continue to attract mid strength players only.

Geez you really are a negative Nellie at times ! We have halves that most clubs would be jealous of and you counter with what's the backup. We have one of the best packs but that obviously has cost us money to build. Agree that our back 5 needs work and when we start you still criticize, particularly as it appears a very good chance that a well credentialed NRL player is in our sights. Walk a mile in a lot of other NRL clubs supporters shoes and see how the real world is.
 

Old Kogarah Boy 1

First Grade
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Geez you really are a negative Nellie at times ! We have halves that most clubs would be jealous of and you counter with what's the backup. We have one of the best packs but that obviously has cost us money to build. Agree that our back 5 needs work and when we start you still criticize, particularly as it appears a very good chance that a well credentialed NRL player is in our sights. Walk a mile in a lot of other NRL clubs supporters shoes and see how the real world is.

Its a forum .......................

If we didn't have a whinge and post on the 'Sack McGregor Thread' and alike, it would be a boring place.
Everyone agreeing we love our coach?
Everyone thinking our new proposed backline would be bliss?
Widdops next hair colour?
McCrone making a comeback?

Yep, we all have different views, some of us pad out some threads more than others and there's no way we all love McGregor ............... so were always going to chew the fat.

Eat up & enjoy .................. did someone mention Xmas turkey?
 

BLM01

Coach
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Its a forum .......................

If we didn't have a whinge and post on the 'Sack McGregor Thread' and alike, it would be a boring place.
Everyone agreeing we love our coach?
Everyone thinking our new proposed backline would be bliss?
Widdops next hair colour?
McCrone making a comeback?

Yep, we all have different views, some of us pad out some threads more than others and there's no way we all love McGregor ............... so were always going to chew the fat.

Eat up & enjoy .................. did someone mention Xmas turkey?
Love Hot turkey at XMAS
 

Old Timer

Coach
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Not sure how you think that either.

No back up halves, FB or lock? Agree mostly but not many clubs can back these up without throwing lambs to the wolves and this is exactly what you’ve been screaming for anyway, give our youngsters a crack right? Or are you suggesting we sign more journeymen as back ups at the expense of juniors ? Can’t have it both ways OT.

Who said Pereira was a high quality 1st grade performer? Not me. Although that is not as laughable as you suggest based on his last few games and with more experience and improvement he could be.

I’d dearly love to see some improvements in our coaching staff and backs though.

Honestly OT, to say our squad is paper thin is really poor. Our squad is far from paper thin, in fact a very good squad that will be in it up to their eye balls next year.
The halves: Many calling for Field to be the back up half yet he plays a variety of positions in ISP and gets SFA time in 1st grade. Was once touted as the next FB other than him it is Nicholls running on 1 NRL game and old legs. If the leave Field in the halves for the year in ISP and get him some game time in NRL I would be happy but that hasn't nor will it be the case.
The lock: We had Lawrie playing lock when JDB was out FFS what a dumb play that was but we had Sele playing prop in ISP when he was a natural lock but we let him go due to obvious reasons (coach doesn't like him). If JDB gets injured or selected for SOO again then who plays that position?
Re Perreira: Plenty in here saying how he deserves a 1st grade spot straight up next year so that would indicate they rate him as a 1st grader which I don't however he is a capable & honest back up.
As I said it is very sad we let youth go whilst we retain old journeymen.
Re the backs I simply don't rate Lafai or Aitken as quality 1st graders and in fact would like to see them as the "depth" and have them play ISP but we know that will not be the case so in the mean time we let Herbert go and if we don't find room for Lomax he will be gone as well.
If we have any injuries in our back 5 who in your opinion will be the players who can step up and give us a good chance of winning games?
I agree our run on forward pack and bench is quite strong but I still maintain our back up quality is paper thin especially so in the backs

Geez you really are a negative Nellie at times ! We have halves that most clubs would be jealous of and you counter with what's the backup. We have one of the best packs but that obviously has cost us money to build. Agree that our back 5 needs work and when we start you still criticize, particularly as it appears a very good chance that a well credentialed NRL player is in our sights. Walk a mile in a lot of other NRL clubs supporters shoes and see how the real world is.
Re the halves & pack please read my reply to ALSGI
You're holding out for a top signing and believe it is coming whereas I have no faith that will happen.
The reality in the most recent of times is that we got Vaughan who was unwanted as was the case with Sims, Hunt and Graham (due to cap issues for the Dogs) so we didn't actually attract a top notch player of our own accord or their out & out desire to play for our club.
You also place faith in the signing of 2 players 1 with no 1st grade experience and the other with 11 games over 3 years which I hope works out well but doesn't install me with confidence.
I will think Millard and recruitment is doing a good job when we sign an out & out SOO player at the top of his game because other clubs can and do and if we don't we will stay also rans because we never develop our juniors correctly and ultimately buy "depth" players as evidenced so far in this years purchases.
 

ALSGI

Bench
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Sad state our our Dragons are in according to you OT.

I disagree, we’re not paper thin by a long stretch and are already looking good for next year to challenge the lot.

We’re good, always could be better.
 

Old Timer

Coach
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Sad state our our Dragons are in according to you OT.

I disagree, we’re not paper thin by a long stretch and are already looking good for next year to challenge the lot.

We’re good, always could be better.
Be interesting to see how it pans out as I am anticipating Mann is gone or on the bench.
If round 1 is Lafai & Aitken in the centres with Perreira and one of the already signed newby wingers and Dufty at FB god help us.
You have a lot of faith in unproven players being capable of making the difference considering the limitations of our coach & strategies.
By the way if Dufty goes bad at FB or is injured who is your replacement?
 

possm

Coach
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Millward paid overs to the forward pack eh?
#1 - they happen to be one of the best forward packs around. Chock full of SOO players.
#2 - you say Millward should have kept Packer but the main reason he was let go was his asking price!

Hmmm
I think you missed my point. I agree that we have one of the best packs and set of halves in the comp. To get that pack/halves the club paid a large proportion of the salary cap leaving much less to fund the back five.

This could be OK if Millward purchased quality players for the back 5 by skilfully negotiating their price. The problem is that we still have Aitken and Lafai who have performed poorly in the last two seasons taking up most of the cap of the back five.
 

possm

Coach
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Be interesting to see how it pans out as I am anticipating Mann is gone or on the bench.
If round 1 is Lafai & Aitken in the centres with Perreira and one of the already signed newby wingers and Dufty at FB god help us.
You have a lot of faith in unproven players being capable of making the difference considering the limitations of our coach & strategies.
By the way if Dufty goes bad at FB or is injured who is your replacement?

You are absolutely right. SGI should not in the position of gambling on unproven players each year. The top Clubs buy proven players and develop one or two great juniors each year. For some reason we don't seem to have the cash to do this. Who should take the blame?
 

Frank Facer

First Grade
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I think you missed my point. I agree that we have one of the best packs and set of halves in the comp. To get that pack/halves the club paid a large proportion of the salary cap leaving much less to fund the back five.

This could be OK if Millward purchased quality players for the back 5 by skilfully negotiating their price. The problem is that we still have Aitken and Lafai who have performed poorly in the last two seasons taking up most of the cap of the back five.
Our forwards, especially our props were our weakness and halfback was our other weakness. We now have a good pair of halves and a very good forward pack. Good props and good halves are both a rare commodity in League. It should be much easier to sort out our 2 to 5, than props and halves. Dufty is still a work in progress. Weather is develops his game, only time will tell.
 

nontime111

Juniors
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You really are an optimist if you think anyone can be coached "defence" at our club.
We have exactly the same errors in us now as what we did when good old Mc Fookknuckle and co came into the coaching ranks.
If the player doesn't have it hardwired as part of his DNA then he will not get better at anything whilst at our club.

the defensive skills both new young wingers we just signed is a total unknown brother......maybe one at least is a gun, who knows
 
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You are absolutely right. SGI should not in the position of gambling on unproven players each year. The top Clubs buy proven players and develop one or two great juniors each year. For some reason we don't seem to have the cash to do this. Who should take the blame?
You mean like signing Ben Hunt and James Graham, 2 Internationals, and developing Zac Lomax, Matt Dufty, or Luciano Leilua, or even a fully developed junior like Jack Debelin?

Yeah, what a shame our club can't do stuff like that
 

blacksafake

First Grade
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The halves: Many calling for Field to be the back up half yet he plays a variety of positions in ISP and gets SFA time in 1st grade. Was once touted as the next FB other than him it is Nicholls running on 1 NRL game and old legs. If the leave Field in the halves for the year in ISP and get him some game time in NRL I would be happy but that hasn't nor will it be the case.
The lock: We had Lawrie playing lock when JDB was out FFS what a dumb play that was but we had Sele playing prop in ISP when he was a natural lock but we let him go due to obvious reasons (coach doesn't like him). If JDB gets injured or selected for SOO again then who plays that position?
Re Perreira: Plenty in here saying how he deserves a 1st grade spot straight up next year so that would indicate they rate him as a 1st grader which I don't however he is a capable & honest back up.
As I said it is very sad we let youth go whilst we retain old journeymen.
Re the backs I simply don't rate Lafai or Aitken as quality 1st graders and in fact would like to see them as the "depth" and have them play ISP but we know that will not be the case so in the mean time we let Herbert go and if we don't find room for Lomax he will be gone as well.
If we have any injuries in our back 5 who in your opinion will be the players who can step up and give us a good chance of winning games?
I agree our run on forward pack and bench is quite strong but I still maintain our back up quality is paper thin especially so in the backs


Re the halves & pack please read my reply to ALSGI
You're holding out for a top signing and believe it is coming whereas I have no faith that will happen.
The reality in the most recent of times is that we got Vaughan who was unwanted as was the case with Sims, Hunt and Graham (due to cap issues for the Dogs) so we didn't actually attract a top notch player of our own accord or their out & out desire to play for our club.
You also place faith in the signing of 2 players 1 with no 1st grade experience and the other with 11 games over 3 years which I hope works out well but doesn't install me with confidence.
I will think Millard and recruitment is doing a good job when we sign an out & out SOO player at the top of his game because other clubs can and do and if we don't we will stay also rans because we never develop our juniors correctly and ultimately buy "depth" players as evidenced so far in this years purchases.
Some really good points here OT.
In particular around Dufty,Field & Sele.But without the right coaching staff i can't see it getting much better.
 

Old Timer

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You mean like signing Ben Hunt and James Graham, 2 Internationals, and developing Zac Lomax, Matt Dufty, or Luciano Leilua, or even a fully developed junior like Jack Debelin?

Yeah, what a shame our club can't do stuff like that
You conveniently miss the point the so called development of Dufty, Lomax and Leilua was forced by injury and was never part of the original plan.
Development of juniors at our club means sitting on the bench and only injuries force the coach's hand to play them.
JDB came to our club when he was 20 so hardly our junior and should have been where he is now at least 2 years ago.
The signing of Hunt & Graham was a result of their clubs no longer requiring their services and not about them either being poached by us or them wanting to come to us of their own volition.
 
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You conveniently miss the point the so called development of Dufty, Lomax and Leilua was forced by injury and was never part of the original plan.
Development of juniors at our club means sitting on the bench and only injuries force the coach's hand to play them.
JDB came to our club when he was 20 so hardly our junior and should have been where he is now at least 2 years ago.
The signing of Hunt & Graham was a result of their clubs no longer requiring their services and not about them either being poached by us or them wanting to come to us of their own volition.
Bullshit! Both Hunt and Graham had opportunities to sign with other clubs, but chose Dragons. JDB, although not a Dragons junior was developed to where he is today by Dragons. Dufty earned his promotion this year, after showing his skills due to injury last year. And tell me which newbies dont get to show their talents because of injuries?

I think you are clutching at straws mate. Possum said we don't sign big names and don't develop juniors.....his statement is wrong.
 

Old Timer

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Bullshit! Both Hunt and Graham had opportunities to sign with other clubs, but chose Dragons. JDB, although not a Dragons junior was developed to where he is today by Dragons. Dufty earned his promotion this year, not put in the role due to injury. And tell me which newbies dont get to show their talents because of injuries?

I think you are clutching at straws mate. Possum said we don't sign big names and don't develop juniors.....his statement is wrong.
OK who else was really in the mix for Graham & Hunt?
We got Hunt because we paid a huge fee at the time for a player no longer required at the Broncos and Graham would have remained a Dog forever but they pushed him out and paid half of his salary for the 1st year and no top 6 team showed any interest in signing him so we became the next best option.
Dufty got to 1st garde in 2017 as a result of Duges going to centre to cover off the injury to Aitken.
If Duges had of been given a new contract the coach said he was the 1st grade FB so only by Duges going and no other FB being signed did Dufty get the nod ahead of Millward's choice of Field so get your facts correct.
I also said the newbies only get their shot due to injuries and not as part of proper development programme.
 
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OK who else was really in the mix for Graham & Hunt?
We got Hunt because we paid a huge fee at the time for a player no longer required at the Broncos and Graham would have remained a Dog forever but they pushed him out and paid half of his salary for the 1st year and no top 6 team showed any interest in signing him so we became the next best option.
Dufty got to 1st garde in 2017 as a result of Duges going to centre to cover off the injury to Aitken.
If Duges had of been given a new contract the coach said he was the 1st grade FB so only by Duges going and no other FB being signed did Dufty get the nod ahead of Millward's choice of Field so get your facts correct.
I also said the newbies only get their shot due to injuries and not as part of proper development programme.
If you read my edited post, you would've seen I worded it better by saying Dufty got to show his skills due to injury in 2017, but earned his position at the start of this year. Not Duftys fault Dugan signed elsewhere. The opportunity opened up and Dufty showed he deserved a shot at it. Now, can you tell me which rookies don't get their start due to injuries? To me that is pretty common throughout all clubs. Remember Ponga showing his skills on the Cowboys wing when Winterstein was out? Can think of hundreds more just like that.

And again, possum stated we don't sign big names.....a Kangaroo and a Pom International are big name signings. He didn't say anything about whether they were being chased by any other clubs. And you say we only got the Hunt signature because we offered him a bigger deal. Isnt that what one has to do to win a much needed signature? Again, you are clutching at straws.....we signed 2 big names for season 2018, and we are developing juniors.
 
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