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Cold Roses

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You're judging the paper Warriors, how many times must we be let down by the paper Warriors before realising these players really aren't all they're cracked up to be? Hyping them up with labels like you're using is just setting up for disappointment.

None of this is to say Kearney is any good. But this team has had the coach excuse over and over and over again. Perhaps it's both the team and the coaches.

Spot on. You don't erase a crap culture that has built up over time in just the 9 or 10 months that Kearney has had. If he does nothing else in his term except stamp out the bullshit attitudes that pervade this club then that will be a success.

A top 8 roster is only a top 8 roster if they can get in the top 8. This group hasn't done that in 6 years. Can't always be the coaches fault.
 

WellsNZ

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No offence but Ivan made 5 star chicken laksa from chicken kaka. He was working with the likes of Witt, Rovelli, Fien, Gatis as his playmakers. He had one year with Johnson. They went to the Grand Final.

He had some great forward packs, some pretty talented backs and players that had a good attitude and worked hard. That to me makes up part of a player, not just the "talent" or athleticism. All the talent doesn't mean much if the bloke can't use it properly. It doesn't matter how many tools you've got, you aren't a good builder unless you have the brains and ability to use them.

If I had to get a team to the 8 I'd much rather take that band of players than the current mob. I know what they'd give me. It feels like Cleary is getting all the credit for these guys, they still need to have the mentality to be coached. They still need the work ethic and the resolve. That's part of what makes those guys who they are. And it seems to be part of what holds this group back. Heart and toughness and work ethic aren't things that everyone has nor are they quick to learn.

And if you have a good pack, it obviously makes you much more competitive.

If we got some "supercoach", do we think he'd magically convert these players into an elite team? maybe we might see some improvement, like I said I'm not trying to defend Kearney, but I imagine more likely what we would see if a Bellamy type coach came along would be a clear out of the guys who aren't up to their standards and procurement of players who fit the mould they want.
 
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LeagueNut

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...oud-on-the-western-front-20170730-gxlpr6.html

Warriors assistant coach Stacey Jones has told a radio interviewer that Stephen Kearney has threatened to "walk out the gate" some of the team's under-performing players. "Stephen Kearney delivered a pretty stern talk to the players, and the conversation went along the line of, 'If I sense any ounce of complacency or switching off,' he will walk them out the front gate at Mount Smart straight away," Jones told RadioLIVE in the wake of the 26-12 loss to Cronulla. "With five games to go, there is a lot to play for. We have lots of loyal fans and we know that their patience is waning. Some players are playing for their future and contracts, so there is plenty to play for." The Aucklanders have won seven games and lost 12 this year.
 
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On the strength of rosters stuff, I can see both sides of it, but I'd safely say that if you gave Cleary what Kearney had now, they'd be pushing for top 4, and if you gave Kearney what Cleary had to work with, they'd be battling for the spoon
 

JJ

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...oud-on-the-western-front-20170730-gxlpr6.html

Warriors assistant coach Stacey Jones has told a radio interviewer that Stephen Kearney has threatened to "walk out the gate" some of the team's under-performing players. "Stephen Kearney delivered a pretty stern talk to the players, and the conversation went along the line of, 'If I sense any ounce of complacency or switching off,' he will walk them out the front gate at Mount Smart straight away," Jones told RadioLIVE in the wake of the 26-12 loss to Cronulla. "With five games to go, there is a lot to play for. We have lots of loyal fans and we know that their patience is waning. Some players are playing for their future and contracts, so there is plenty to play for." The Aucklanders have won seven games and lost 12 this year.


I'm over the moon to read that - like many I had wondered what the f**k's going on, 21 rounds and no sign that we're anything other than cellar dwellers - the shit has really hit the fan now, the coach has given the team a stern talking to - watch out NRL our late run begins now - so happy that Kearney has brought out the big guns - why work on cohesion, game plans, attacking and defensive structures, or even drop players when once the need arises you can talk to them sternly
 

JJ

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On the strength of rosters stuff, I can see both sides of it, but I'd safely say that if you gave Cleary what Kearney had now, they'd be pushing for top 4, and if you gave Kearney what Cleary had to work with, they'd be battling for the spoon

Yep, Cleary is no master coach but he's already got the Tigers showing some positive signs - and that culture was by all accounts not right
 
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Yep, Cleary is no master coach but he's already got the Tigers showing some positive signs - and that culture was by all accounts not right

Took a Penrith team that didn't have much to 2nd on the ladder early in his stint there which shows his ability, and as you say, can see the Tigers having a dig each week without a lot of quality cattle

Can see the improvement in Lolohea week to week as well, not setting the world on fire, but going in the right direction
 

JJ

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Took a Penrith team that didn't have much to 2nd on the ladder early in his stint there which shows his ability, and as you say, can see the Tigers having a dig each week without a lot of quality cattle

Can see the improvement in Lolohea week to week as well, not setting the world on fire, but going in the right direction

Yeah, I was watching Tui - he's obviously got him keeping things simple

Also, be interesting to see if he's so chunky next season, he looks too puffy for me - and we can see clearly fitness/conditioning is an issue at the Warriors
 

vvvrulz

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Yeah, I was watching Tui - he's obviously got him keeping things simple

Also, be interesting to see if he's so chunky next season, he looks too puffy for me - and we can see clearly fitness/conditioning is an issue at the Warriors

Look at Laumape, got pretty fat and slow here but looks as lean as ever in Union. Now an All Black!

It really is becoming the NRL graveyard.
 

Iafeta

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He had some great forward packs, some pretty talented backs and players that had a good attitude and worked hard. That to me makes up part of a player, not just the "talent" or athleticism. All the talent doesn't mean much if the bloke can't use it properly. It doesn't matter how many tools you've got, you aren't a good builder unless you have the brains and ability to use them.

If I had to get a team to the 8 I'd much rather take that band of players than the current mob. I know what they'd give me. It feels like Cleary is getting all the credit for these guys, they still need to have the mentality to be coached. They still need the work ethic and the resolve. That's part of what makes those guys who they are. And it seems to be part of what holds this group back. Heart and toughness and work ethic aren't things that everyone has nor are they quick to learn.

And if you have a good pack, it obviously makes you much more competitive.

If we got some "supercoach", do we think he'd magically convert these players into an elite team? maybe we might see some improvement, like I said I'm not trying to defend Kearney, but I imagine more likely what we would see if a Bellamy type coach came along would be a clear out of the guys who aren't up to their standards and procurement of players who fit the mould they want.

He had one great forward. Steve Price. He had Michael Luck who had few skills but a ferocious work ethic. Simon Mannering of course was developing but IMO he is a far better player now. Ruben had one excellent year but IIRC his form waned due to the aging process to the point he even appeared for the Vulcans.
 

Iafeta

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Look at Laumape, got pretty fat and slow here but looks as lean as ever in Union. Now an All Black!

It really is becoming the NRL graveyard.

I don't see that with Ngani. He's a nugget now. He was a nugget then. He was defensively strong and a capable ball carrier. I thought he had a perfectly fine first grade career. Albeit it was short due to injury.
 
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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...oud-on-the-western-front-20170730-gxlpr6.html

Warriors assistant coach Stacey Jones has told a radio interviewer that Stephen Kearney has threatened to "walk out the gate" some of the team's under-performing players. "Stephen Kearney delivered a pretty stern talk to the players, and the conversation went along the line of, 'If I sense any ounce of complacency or switching off,' he will walk them out the front gate at Mount Smart straight away," Jones told RadioLIVE in the wake of the 26-12 loss to Cronulla. "With five games to go, there is a lot to play for. We have lots of loyal fans and we know that their patience is waning. Some players are playing for their future and contracts, so there is plenty to play for." The Aucklanders have won seven games and lost 12 this year.
Stacey losing it too?
Why hasn't this been the policy all year?
Even if it's a 3 strikes policy, the following players would of had some NSW cup time.
Brodene, Hoffman, Maumalo, Luke, RTS, Foran, Afoa.
But we all know Kearney is watching a different game than the rest of us.
 
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Most of us that post on here have been here for years. Over the time ive defended nearly everyone representing the club. Only 4 people ive openly said FO multiple times
Wayne Scurrah
Sione Faumuina
Bluey
Kevin Locke

Im not saying this about Kearney. Have read all the posts in here on this. Excellent Excellent posts. But Kearney took over this team. He knows how the team wants to play but the team lacks forward domination to play it. I read we are first in the comp in completed sets and 3rd in forcing repeat sets. So we ok at building pressure just poos at attacking variaty. Isnt Jones the attacking coach or was it Mcnamara. Nothing has been said about them. Im sticking with Kearney and will judge him next season when this year is over and he can analize what areas the team and him need to work on. The only thing that shits me about his is his continual picking of Kata and Thompson.

My support is not waivering
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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Ruben had one excellent year but IIRC his form waned due to the aging process...
When I first heard we were signing Wiki, I thought of the word 'old'. Wiki was from the days of Mullens, Daley, Stuart etc. He did well to foot it with the youngsters especially to reinvent his game as a prop despite his size.
 

WellsNZ

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He had one great forward. Steve Price. He had Michael Luck who had few skills but a ferocious work ethic. Simon Mannering of course was developing but IMO he is a far better player now. Ruben had one excellent year but IIRC his form waned due to the aging process to the point he even appeared for the Vulcans.

Note I didn't say great individual forwards, I said great forward packs.

And then he had the likes of Rapira Matulino when he was top tier, a younger Lillyman, Packer which at that time was about as good a prop rotation as their was in the comp.

The finals team had Lillyman, Rapira, Matulino, Packer, Mannering, Taylor, Luck, Mateo, for the time that was a great pack.

I would take that pack, at that time, over this lot without a moment of hesitation.
 
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Iafeta

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Lillyman played a fair bit of backrower initially. He was absolute plod.

Rapira was often injured and I don't Packer put in too hard until he got a second chance.
 

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