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FO Kearney

WellsNZ

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Rapiras game totals by season with Cleary

10 - only came in mid season so really doesn't count
26
27
23
16
20

He played plenty during that time.

Lillyman did play second row when he arrived sure, but he was playing front row when they went to the finals. If you want to say he was plod, what of the Lillyman now? And his role is much bigger now.

Packer was a more than adequate part of that rotation, and that's the other big point here. Not only were these guys good, but that pack was deep.

Would you take today's pack over that lot? It's no contest in my eyes, but maybe I remember them too fondly. I don't remember forwards being an issue at that time, but they certainly are now. We can't chalk that all up to Ivan. We knew this forward pack was shit before Kearney arrived.
 

Fufu Andronez

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Note I didn't say great individual forwards, I said great forward packs.

And then he had the likes of Rapira Matulino when he was top tier, a younger Lillyman, Packer which at that time was about as good a prop rotation as their was in the comp.

The finals team had Lillyman, Rapira, Matulino, Packer, Mannering, Taylor, Luck, Mateo, for the time that was a great pack.

I would take that pack, at that time, over this lot without a moment of hesitation.
I'm starting to harden at the thought of that forward pack.

We really took it for granted, I know I did at least. Compare now to then and we are in a world of hurt.
 

Rich102

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Most of us that post on here have been here for years. Over the time ive defended nearly everyone representing the club. Only 4 people ive openly said FO multiple times
Wayne Scurrah
Sione Faumuina
Bluey
Kevin Locke

Im not saying this about Kearney. Have read all the posts in here on this. Excellent Excellent posts. But Kearney took over this team. He knows how the team wants to play but the team lacks forward domination to play it. I read we are first in the comp in completed sets and 3rd in forcing repeat sets. So we ok at building pressure just poos at attacking variaty. Isnt Jones the attacking coach or was it Mcnamara. Nothing has been said about them. Im sticking with Kearney and will judge him next season when this year is over and he can analize what areas the team and him need to work on. The only thing that shits me about his is his continual picking of Kata and Thompson.

My support is not waivering

Onya R&S.
 

JJ

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Rapiras game totals by season with Cleary

10 - only came in mid season so really doesn't count
26
27
23
16
20

He played plenty during that time.

Lillyman did play second row when he arrived sure, but he was playing front row when they went to the finals. If you want to say he was plod, what of the Lillyman now? And his role is much bigger now.

Packer was a more than adequate part of that rotation, and that's the other big point here. Not only were these guys good, but that pack was deep.

Would you take today's pack over that lot? It's no contest in my eyes, but maybe I remember them too fondly. I don't remember forwards being an issue at that time, but they certainly are now. We can't chalk that all up to Ivan. We knew this forward pack was shit before Kearney arrived.
Iafeta has never had a high opinion of Lillyman - for me he's ok - the pack is pretty ordinary, but not as abysmal as sometimes painted - certainly an issue is the lack of development among the next generation - essentially Vete, Lisone, Afoa, Gubb, Sipleys etc have amounted to nothing - people will vary on why that is, but that must to a degree come back to a broader club issue

My main problem with Kearney is he proved himself to be an appalling NRL coach at the Eels - and nothing seems to have changed - at the start of the season he and Doyle were talking about accountability and the top 8 being non-negotiable, defining Doyle's tenure etc - Doyle's now backflipped on that citing injuries etc (cop out we haven't been hit hard and we were struggling with Johnson) - and Kearney's mumbling about it not being about winning, and a process and competing - when we're certainly no better than under McFadden - at least he had us in the 8 at Origin time

I've said before, I am happy to blame the players, but Kearney wont drop them and only now has resorted to a stern talking to - I'd sooner clear fell the place and take the Newcastle approach, they sucked worse than us for a while, but there's a point - at the end of the day while their record is bad across this time, we're both missing the playoffs and their future is arguably more rosey
 

Rich102

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For me the major problem is that the team is playing badly and showing no signs of improvement.

The coaches show little ability to understand and change the problem.

We are in danger of losing better players than we are recruiting.

The Warriors, with all their travel, are always going to find it harder to compete in Australia than Australian teams. This will mean that they will have to pay overs for Australian players.

Next year is likely to be as bad or worse.

Once the crowd goes they will be very hard to attract back.

After that it may be too late to revive the club.

RIP Warriors.
 
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BLN2

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He hasn't even been at the club for 10 months yet, the team has been shit for 6 years, and people expect SK to turn the club around in 1 season, with the same players bar Foran??

Get real. There's plenty of problems with this club, and to blame another coach for their failings on the field is just to easy. We have no choice but to wait out another 2 years and see how it is then.

Problems we know about;

Leadership, work ethic, "culture", dedication, maturity etc.

Players don't learns these things over night, roster clean out is way forward, and that's already happening.
 

JJ

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He hasn't even been at the club for 10 months yet, the team has been shit for 6 years, and people expect SK to turn the club around in 1 season, with the same players bar Foran??

Get real. There's plenty of problems with this club, and to blame another coach for their failings on the field is just to easy. We have no choice but to wait out another 2 years and see how it is then.

Problems we know about;

Leadership, work ethic, "culture", dedication, maturity etc.

Players don't learns these things over night, roster clean out is way forward, and that's already happening.
Daniel Anderson did it at Parramatta after Kearney

Cleary is already getting the Tigpies to play better
 

Cold Roses

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This got posted already i think, but it sums up for me what's happening at the moment. I can't be bothered repeating my views again but i agree with most of this. We might not like the idea that we have to wait through what we see as yet another 'rebuild', but it seems to me that post 2011 it was just never done properly to begin with. Kearney might not win us a premiership, but he may just set the club up to be in a position to get there at some point.



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=11896966

There's no quick fix to the Warriors woes but coach Stephen Kearney remains the right man to lead the club forward.

The Warriors will miss out on finals football for a sixth straight season after suffering their fourth straight defeat in Friday's 26-12 loss to Cronulla.

Fans have every right to be outraged by the side's poor form that's seen them win just seven of 19 games so far. The only consistent part of the Warriors season has been their inconsistency.

That's not all Kearney's fault. It's been the same story each year since the club made the 2011 grand final in all three grades, and appeared on the verge of realising its power-house potential.

If we've learned anything in the six demoralising years since, surely it's the need to think long-term. Kearney needs time. That may be hard to stomach for impatient fans who have already waited an eternity for their team to come right. But five coaches in that time tells us there's no magic remedy.

Every new coach needs time to get a gauge on the players and environment he's walked into before trimming and recruiting to get the roster they want. Like it or not, that can take two seasons or more.

Unfortunately for Kearney's three predecessors -Brian McClennan, Matt Elliott and Andrew McFadden - only the latter had the luxury of nearly three seasons in charge. How is a club, let alone the players, expected to progress or find confidence and stability with five different coaching philosophies ringing in their ears?

There's been criticism of the Kearney's tactics this season. Not enough offloads. Too conservative. Getting away from the Warriors 'traditional' style.

The only thing traditional about the Warriors play in recent years has been the mind-boggling errors. But heading into last week's game against North Queensland, they were among the competition's top ranked sides for set completions. And when they have managed to win the forward battle and generate ruck speed, Issac Luke and his fellow playmakers have been able to run and offloads have been a feature of the side's play.

What has been even harder to see are the little improvements in the side over the last 21 rounds. Defensively they have been more committed and they have shown a tenacity to stay in games longer.

Kearney has also come under fire for showing an unwillingness to drop players when many were calling for heads to roll. Issues around a lack of depth and an awareness of players' already fragile confidence has seen him stay loyal, while hoping players produce the right response.

Explaining such issues or justifying his decisions are not a priority for Kearney, whose comments post-match or midweek often require some de-coding.

His unwavering belief and constant reference to 'the process' can prove testing for reporters and the public seeking greater insight into where he believes the team is at and where he sees them heading.

But rest assured, Kearney - like every coach or player in the NRL - wants his side to play finals football. And while that remains the end goal, he is also aware of his team's limitations and his players' short-comings.

Anxiety and brain explosions are still an issue. Sharpening their focus, decision making, and skills - even the basic fundamentals - remain work-ons. Improving in those areas are his primary focus.

Of course by now he'll have a firm idea of which individuals are up to the task or capable of improving and who he needs to cast aside ahead of next season. The performance of the side in the next few weeks will only make those decisions easier.
 

Shaun Hewitt

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Root of the problem goes further than the coach imo. Surely not so many coaches are this flawed.

That said, Kearney was always the wrong man for the job.
 

JJ

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Root of the problem goes further than the coach imo. Surely not so many coaches are this flawed.

That said, Kearney was always the wrong man for the job.

Yep - but we all know Elliott, McFadden and Kearney weren't up to it ahead of time, not sure what the view on McLennan was, I wanted Cleary to stay

That said Kearney has got the job, it's not his fault they gave it to him, but in all seriousness if Cleary and Toovey were both interested (media suggests they were, again I don't know) something's amiss
 

Shaun Hewitt

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Out of those mentioned (Elliot, McClennen, McFadden and Kearney), the only one that I thought may have been the right one was McClennen and he got shafted fairly quickly if I recall.

I'd also say that Kearney has the job through partly his own fault, if he applied and then accepted the role then surely he's not blameless for taking a role that he can't deliver on.

What we would do to have Cleary back!
 
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Yep - but we all know Elliott, McFadden and Kearney weren't up to it ahead of time, not sure what the view on McLennan was, I wanted Cleary to stay

That said Kearney has got the job, it's not his fault they gave it to him, but in all seriousness if Cleary and Toovey were both interested (media suggests they were, again I don't know) something's amiss

Toovey was interested, as far as believing the job was his until the last minute
 

Warriorsoul

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Agree the club needs a cleanout, but we kinda need players to replace them! Our recruitment for next year is nothing. Unless they spring some real surprises in the next month or so, there'll be absolutely zero depth in most positions and gaping holes in some.
 

JJ

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Toovey was interested, as far as believing the job was his until the last minute

that's a real shame imo


Agree the club needs a cleanout, but we kinda need players to replace them! Our recruitment for next year is nothing. Unless they spring some real surprises in the next month or so, there'll be absolutely zero depth in most positions and gaping holes in some.

Don't need to replace them - do what Newcastle has done, use the kids and work out which ones are up to it - eventually they've been able to recruit as people have seen there's a point - there's no obvious point at the Warriors - their recruitment looks like "win now", but we're so far from that it's insane



Yeah, that 77M a game through the middle, and endless grubby shit will get us on the right path - much sooner keep Lillyman IMO - more metres, less filth
 

KeepingTheFaith

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I wouldn't mind Blair, but it sounds like overs is what we'll need to pay him which puts it in the meh column.

One thing Blair does, and does well is he cheats his ass off. I'm not even talking about the grubby stuff, but the general holding down and getting "tangled" in the ruck that can slow the opposition ruck speed down.

It's no coincidence that Gavet came back from the Broncos with some similar tendencies in regards to the way he gets "tangled". Sometimes our guys are just too quick to get off the opposition, too nice, too polite. Blair wouldn't be dominant on the field and wouldn't help our go forward, but he could teach some of our young guys a thing or two.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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One thing Blair does, and does well is he cheats his ass off. I'm not even talking about the grubby stuff, but the general holding down and getting "tangled" in the ruck that can slow the opposition ruck speed down.
He likes to keep the ball alive too...

Nah, I wouldn't want him. Shit go forward, no power.
 

Warriorsoul

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I wouldn't mind Blair, but it sounds like overs is what we'll need to pay him which puts it in the meh column.

One thing Blair does, and does well is he cheats his ass off. I'm not even talking about the grubby stuff, but the general holding down and getting "tangled" in the ruck that can slow the opposition ruck speed down.

It's no coincidence that Gavet came back from the Broncos with some similar tendencies in regards to the way he gets "tangled". Sometimes our guys are just too quick to get off the opposition, too nice, too polite. Blair wouldn't be dominant on the field and wouldn't help our go forward, but he could teach some of our young guys a thing or two.
Yeah he can get away with that crap at the Broncs or at the Storm. Try it here and he'd spend half the match in the sinbin lol
 
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