The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Iamback]

Real eye opener

Our administration likes to talk a a big game via off handed comments to the media but when it comes to actually doing something/ speaking directly to the parties involved - nothing

Yet the GF has no home because of government inaction

 

[greenBV4]

Yet the GF has no home because of government inaction

Ill be very surprised (and impressed) if the NRL actually follows through and takes the GF on the road for cash

 

[MugaB]

It’s exactly what you did. Feel free to continue to be a pompous git.

Hawhawhaw pompous git
Wery wery funny

 

[Iamback]

Ill be very surprised (and impressed) if the NRL actually follows through and takes the GF on the road for cash

It won't get that far because NSW will pay up

 

[The Great Dane]

It’s exactly what you did. Feel free to continue to be a pompous git.

It's not even close to what I said. I'll try and explain it for you if you'd like.

Firstly I didn't bring the Voice up, Timbo did, so you can't blame me for starting a discussion about it. Especially not considering that there hasn't really been a discussion about the Voice it's self.

Then all I said about it was that even in Canberra, arguably the most left wing city in the country, that support for it isn't as universal as he was making out.

Then I went on to say that, in theory, you'd expect it to fail in a country where most people claim to be philosophically liberal, as the Voice goes completely against some of liberalism's most foundational principles (individualism, equality under the law, equal representation, etc), but that that wasn't the case in actuality because generally people whom claim to be adherents of liberalism, and the other political ideologies FTM, actually know very little about the philosophy and it's political history and only claim to be a member of that ideology out of a tribal sense of belonging.

 

[Pneuma]

It's not even close to what I said. I'll try and explain it for you if you'd like.

Firstly I didn't bring the Voice up, Timbo did, so you can't blame me for starting a discussion about it. Especially not considering that there hasn't really been a discussion about the Voice it's self.

Then all I said about it was that even in Canberra, arguably the most left wing city in the country, that support for it isn't as universal as he was making out.

Then I went on to say that, in theory, you'd expect it to fail in a country where most people claim to be philosophically liberal, as the Voice goes completely against some of liberalism's most foundational principles (individualism, equality under the law, equal representation, etc), but that that wasn't the case in actuality because generally people whom claim to be adherents of liberalism, and the other political ideologies FTM, actually know very little about the philosophy and it's political history and only claim to be a member of that ideology out of a tribal sense of belonging.

Potato

 

[SpaceMonkey]

It's not even close to what I said. I'll try and explain it for you if you'd like.

Firstly I didn't bring the Voice up, Timbo did, so you can't blame me for starting a discussion about it. Especially not considering that there hasn't really been a discussion about the Voice it's self.

Then all I said about it was that even in Canberra, arguably the most left wing city in the country, that support for it isn't as universal as he was making out.

Then I went on to say that, in theory, you'd expect it to fail in a country where most people claim to be philosophically liberal, as the Voice goes completely against some of liberalism's most foundational principles (individualism, equality under the law, equal representation, etc), but that that wasn't the case in actuality because generally people whom claim to be adherents of liberalism, and the other political ideologies FTM, actually know very little about the philosophy and it's political history and only claim to be a member of that ideology out of a tribal sense of belonging.

Translated: “if people who claimed to be liberals actually knew liberalism as well as I do they’d oppose The Voice”.
yeah that’s not pompous at all, ever considered a gig on Sky News?

 

[The Great Dane]

Well where are these other desirable locations?

Hypothetically, if you can find the space you could put it in any of the city centres other than Civic. Woden, Belconnen, Tuggeranong, and Gungahlin would all be a better outcomes than Bruce. Woden would probably be the next best option after Civic, but unfortunately I doubt that a stadium would fit there any more either.

There're other areas of the city outside of the city centres that could hypothetically be better than Bruce as well if space for a stadium could be found. Somewhere in the Inner South around Manuka or Kingston would be an accessible location for most of the city. Though not ideal Weston could be workable. Even out at Majura near the airport could be better than Bruce if they went about it in the right way. I'm sure there're other places that don't come to mind in the moment as well.

I'm not necessarily supporting any of these locations for the stadium, just saying that they should be explored as options if we want to move the discussion away from Bruce.

 

[The Great Dane]

Translated: “if people who claimed to be liberals actually knew liberalism as well as I do they’d oppose The Voice”.
yeah that’s not pompous at all, ever considered a gig on Sky News?

See that bit in bold. I never said that, you've just inserted that premise into what I'm saying.

All I said was if people were actually liberal they'd oppose the Voice, but most people whom claim to liberal aren't actually liberal. It's got nothing to do with me, or my knowing more than anybody, people's intelligence, however you want to try and twist it, the ideology is what it is, and most people in this country whom claim to be adherents of liberalism don't follow it in any meaningful way.

The same is true of a lot of political ideologies BTW, and a lot of religious ideologies as well. In fact let's use a religious example; most people in this country claim to be Christian, but a large portion of those people whom claim to be Christian will then turn around and tell you not only that they don't believe that Jesus was the son of god and was crucified for their sins, but that they don't actually believe in god at all. So the question becomes at what point does a Christian stop being Christian and become Atheist in practice.

The same phenomenon is occurring in the political ideologies, where in the case of liberalism you have literally millions of people claiming to be liberals but not actually practicing it in any meaningful sense of the term, making them non-liberal in practice and often doing so in the name of liberalism. It is what it is.

 

[Pneuma]

See that bit in bold. I never said that, you've just inserted that premise into what I'm saying.

All I said was if people were actually liberal they'd oppose the Voice, but most people whom claim to liberal aren't actually liberal. It's got nothing to do with me, or my knowing more than anybody, people's intelligence, however you want to try and twist it, the ideology is what it is, and most people in this country whom claim to be adherents of liberalism don't follow it in any meaningful way.

The same is true of a lot of political ideologies BTW, and a lot of religious ideologies as well. In fact let's use a religious example; most people in this country claim to be Christian, but a large portion of those people whom claim to be Christian will then turn around and tell you not only that they don't believe that Jesus was the son of god and was crucified for their sins, but that they don't actually believe in god at all. So the question becomes at what point does a Christian stop being Christian and become Atheist in practice.

The same phenomenon is occurring in the political ideologies, where in the case of liberalism you have literally millions of people claiming to be liberals but not actually practicing it in any meaningful sense of the term, making them non-liberal in practice and often doing so in the name of liberalism. It is what it is.

Please stick to the topic. Actually no. Stay off topic. Easier to ignore.

 

[The Great Dane]

Please stick to the topic. Actually no. Stay off topic. Easier to ignore.

It wouldn't be a topic at all if you didn't intentionally misrepresent me...

 

[Pneuma]

It wouldn't be a topic at all if you didn't intentionally misrepresent me...

Oooh schnookums!

 

[Timbo]

I believe I said ‘it has broad support’, not universal. Which it does. It’s the ACT libs who have decided to make it a wedge issue when they were already an unpopular party with the electorate.

 

[hrundi99]

See that bit in bold. I never said that, you've just inserted that premise into what I'm saying.

All I said was if people were actually liberal they'd oppose the Voice, but most people whom claim to liberal aren't actually liberal. It's got nothing to do with me, or my knowing more than anybody, people's intelligence, however you want to try and twist it, the ideology is what it is, and most people in this country whom claim to be adherents of liberalism don't follow it in any meaningful way.

The same is true of a lot of political ideologies BTW, and a lot of religious ideologies as well. In fact let's use a religious example; most people in this country claim to be Christian, but a large portion of those people whom claim to be Christian will then turn around and tell you not only that they don't believe that Jesus was the son of god and was crucified for their sins, but that they don't actually believe in god at all. So the question becomes at what point does a Christian stop being Christian and become Atheist in practice.

The same phenomenon is occurring in the political ideologies, where in the case of liberalism you have literally millions of people claiming to be liberals but not actually practicing it in any meaningful sense of the term, making them non-liberal in practice and often doing so in the name of liberalism. It is what it is.

The AU population identifying as Christian in the last census was 43.9%.

 

[Captain Apollo]

 

[Wb1234]

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Use the force Luke

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Use the force Luke

*use the voice Luke

 

[jpw2511]

Looks like QSAC will become an AFL ground for the Lions while they redo the Gabba. Any news on Suncorp getting some love?

 

[macavity]

Tony Shepherd come out today and said he is lobbying for Accor to get a minor refurb and a roof so AFL can play there... what a surprise.

 

[Warriors Fever]

What is it with afl and needing roofs it’s the same with the tassie one