The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Billythekid]

i see 9 Queensland are doing a story in their news tonight about whether they are missing out on big sporting events because of the state of their stadiums

I do wonder if Brisbane will ever have a stadium with a bigger capacity. Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and Melbourne all have stadiums with a higher capacity and in most cases significantly.

Considering the sort of crowds Brisbane and international events draw at Suncorp they could use a bigger stadium some day (probably a long way off).

 

[simmo05]

Perhaps a dumb question, any chance of stray crocs near mangroves?

Definately, anywhere there is saltwater

 

[M2D2]

Suncorp was built around 10k short than they should have IMO

 

[dangerousdave]

From the latest I’ve heard Olympic Park is certain to get a stop & the north of the harbour route has been ruled out.

The 15 min Parra to CBD option is still possible with more than 5 stops, one option being considered is having passing bays at stations so an express service could operate.

At this point none of the 4 mentioned routes have been ruled out.
The Parra to city in 15 mins is extremely unlikely and the Northern route even moreso.

 

[jim_57]

I do wonder if Brisbane will ever have a stadium with a bigger capacity. Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and Melbourne all have stadiums with a higher capacity and in most cases significantly.

Considering the sort of crowds Brisbane and international events draw at Suncorp they could use a bigger stadium some day (probably a long way off).

Ideally after Townsville is built next priority stadium wise will be an increase to 60-65k for Suncorp (if possible without tearing it all down) and a 25-30k stadium either centrally or in Logan or Ipswich.

Having 52k for Suncorp and nothing much else is a bit too small for major events and a bit too big for medium sized events.

Finding enough content to split between 2 stadiums to justify the funding may be a stumbling point for a 2nd stadium. It would require a 2nd NRL team minimum with perhaps Reds, Roar and/or a 2nd A-League side taking games there. Another option would be any upgrade of Suncorp having an "intimate mode" designed in to it.

 

[herbert henry1908]

At this point none of the 4 mentioned routes have been ruled out.
The Parra to city in 15 mins is extremely unlikely and the Northern route even moreso.

Where are you getting your info? (Sincere question)

I’ve heard the fast route talked up a lot as a key economic driver, even more important if that metro gets linked in with badgerys down the track. The minister himself has gone out of his way to talk about, odd decision if it’s unlikely.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I do wonder if Brisbane will ever have a stadium with a bigger capacity. Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and Melbourne all have stadiums with a higher capacity and in most cases significantly.

Considering the sort of crowds Brisbane and international events draw at Suncorp they could use a bigger stadium some day (probably a long way off).

Adelaide doesn’t. It’s 53k

Perth is only 8k more.

 

[Billythekid]

Adelaide doesn’t. It’s 53k

Perth is only 8k more.

Isn't Suncorp 52K? Considering the respective populations and the growth rate of Brisbanes population I feel they can support a bigger capacity. Nothing wrong with Suncorp though so you can't really justify it.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The great thing about the new ANZ is it will clearly be Australia’s premier rectangular ground. No other ground is close to it. This will guarantee Sydney is the first stop for big international sporting events.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Isn't Suncorp 52K? Considering the respective populations and the growth rate of Brisbanes population I feel they can support a bigger capacity. Nothing wrong with Suncorp though so you can't really justify it.

Yeah but it didn’t realise you were being that specific. They’re basically the same size.

Difference is in Adelaide everything is played at Adelaide Oval, where as in Queensland money is split.

 

[dangerousdave]

Where are you getting your info? (Sincere question)

I’ve heard the fast route talked up a lot as a key economic driver, even more important if that metro gets linked in with badgerys down the track. The minister himself has gone out of his way to talk about, odd decision if it’s unlikely.

I've just completed a Master of Urban and Regional Planning at USyd.

My source is Prof Peter Phibbs as this project is a frequent discussion in our Planning Economics discussions.
According to him, in depth cost/benefits for any potential routes have not yet been prepared or presented to parliament. I imagine he would know because he is frequently employed as a consultant by government to nut out the economics of major infrastructure projects.

The reason we say that the 15 min route or the northern route are less likely is because it seems starkly obvious that they make less economic sense.

As for passing lanes on a proposed 160km/hr driverless "super metro," the engineering, logistical, cost and safety implications are likely to make this extremely unviable.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I've just completed a Master of Urban and Regional Planning at USyd.

My source is Prof Peter Phibbs as this project is a frequent discussion in our Planning Economics discussions.
According to him, in depth cost/benefits for any potential routes have not yet been prepared or presented to parliament. I imagine he would know because he is frequently employed as a consultant by government to nut out the economics of major infrastructure projects.

The reason we say that the 15 min route or the northern route are less likely is because it seems starkly obvious that they make less economic sense.

As for passing lanes on a proposed 160km/hr driverless "super metro," the engineering, logistical, cost and safety implications are likely to make this extremely unviable.

Interesting, thanks.

Seems likely that we’ll see a stop at Olympic Park.

Have you heard anything about a possible eastern suburbs metro line?

 

[dangerousdave]

Interesting, thanks.

Seems likely that we’ll see a stop at Olympic Park.

Very very likely because If we're talking about gaining significant funding from value capture, a route parallel but north of the existing western line really looks like it provides the best opportunities for increased population density.

Expect to hear those in Macquarie Street singing the praises of different options over the next few months as they work out which route provides the best political outcomes.

 

[Diesel]

As far as I’m aware, Suncorp can’t increase capacity, which is due to the roof IIRC. They’ve started offering standing only entry for events for Origin but i think that’s only 500 or so which brings it to 53000,
The Western Stand is the only grandstand that wasn’t rebuilt when the stadium was upgraded in 2001-03.

If SEQ is going to get a 20-25k stadium (which can only be rectangular as there is no need for an oval), it’d have to be either in Ipswich close to the CBD (North Ipswich Reserve) or Springfield.
The Logan area is unfortunately stuck between Brisbane and the GC and I can’t see how a stadium can be justified there, but the AF(ucking)L will say otherwise.

 

[El Diablo]

i don't know why the news promo showed Suncorp and ANZ when it was about the Gabba

 

[beave]

FMD, the Gabba doesn’t need anything done to it, it’s f**king fine. No parking eh?? Well neither does Suncorp and no one complains about that. Train to Roma St then a sprinter bus to the Gabba, it’s not hard.

Whinging merkins.

 

[axl rose]

Train to Roma St then a sprinter bus to the Gabba, it’s not hard.
Whinging merkins.

I travel from north for Heat games and you dont even need to go via Roma St, the event buses take you straight to the Gabba. Transport and ground facilities are fine. Its come a long way from the days of having a dog track around it. Utter nonsense from Nine.

 

[Haffa]

Laughable. Shuttle buses in all directions get you in and out of there in minutes. Cross river tunnel stop at the Gabba is going to make it even more accessible.

Facilities wise it’s perfectly serviceable for a venue used at capacity 5 or 6 times a year.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I travel from north for Heat games and you dont even need to go via Roma St, the event buses take you straight to the Gabba. Transport and ground facilities are fine. Its come a long way from the days of having a dog track around it. Utter nonsense from Nine.

Ch9 doing cricket Australia’s bidding.

Cricket Australia came out yesterday and said the Gabba is ranked 5th as an Australian cricket ground, and that they might miss out on the 4 Test series against India next year.

Thing is they were always going to miss out on one of the tests against India, the new Perth stadium guarantees Perth will get one of those. Brisbane will get a test against Sri Lanka.

 

[LineBall]

Went to the GABBA for the first time last year for Big Bash. Great ground, easy to get to. QLD government would be mad to spend any money on it. Big Bash is the only thing that will fill it consistently anyway.