Future NRL Stadiums

[bottle]

Doc, I think you are usually on the money with many of your posts. However I think Liverpool stinks as an option in general, and for Saints specifically.
If the f**kers are gonna spend money on a proper, decent rectangular stadium (and they ain't) then build us a new fangled sooper dooper one at Homebush.
Demolish something, reclaim land, build it on stilts, I don't care. Should have part of the plan when it was a greenfields site.
Then improve transport options into the place.
Then improve transport options within the place.
Then improve the place itself as a venue.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

That's like saying "the only downside is its in the middle of the ocean"

No train line means you need parking for what, 25,000 cars?

I was making a point that there's no perfect place. This is Sydney, there is no where in the city to put a stadium that will keep all clubs happy. All you can do is accommodate all that you can.

Homebush is the place. Wests have already shown their hand that they're willing to play there. Parra and the Bulldogs play there and it's close to home for both. Souths are an anomaly. That's 4 of the 5 biggest crowd drawers.

It's probably a bit far for Penrith but thems the brakes.

We have the right facilities now. Big games at big stadiums. Smaller games at traditional home grounds. I'm sure Saints would be able to accommodate some of their better drawing matches to Homebush.

I'd like for the occasional home game at Homebush to have that "event" feel, like it used to when it first opened.

 

[Saint Doc]

Doc, I think you are usually on the money with many of your posts. However I think Liverpool stinks as an option in general, and for Saints specifically.
If the f**kers are gonna spend money on a proper, decent rectangular stadium (and they ain't) then build us a new fangled sooper dooper one at Homebush.
Demolish something, reclaim land, build it on stilts, I don't care. Should have part of the plan when it was a greenfields site.
Then improve transport options into the place.
Then improve transport options within the place.
Then improve the place itself as a venue.

Mate fair enough. I agree that an awesome stadium at homebush would be best.

But at the moment the new proposal is for an awesome stadium in Liverpool.

The government would block a new stadium in homebush

My comment about Saints playing a couple of games there was a throw away line. Obviously regardless We wouldn't be a major tenant regardless

 

[georgesnmith]

Liverpool is almost in the direct middle of all 4 west sydney clubs. Dogs to the east, tigers southwest, Penrith North west, eels northeast

its a wasteland.

none of those fans will want to travel in large numbers to a small suburbs in the south west of sydney

it would take panthers fans over an hour i guess to get there. from belmore / homebush same for dogs fans, almost 90 mins from lillfield / leichardt

the dogs gave up on oasis ages ago they are settled at homebush

a stadium at liverpool will be a bigger white elephant than ANZ stadium it, which is at least in the actual centre of sydney

the state govt wont be funding this

 

[Flapper]

An hour from Penrith? Halve it.

 

[georgesnmith]

I was making a point that there's no perfect place. This is Sydney, there is no where in the city to put a stadium that will keep all clubs happy. All you can do is accommodate all that you can.

Homebush is the place. Wests have already shown their hand that they're willing to play there. Parra and the Bulldogs play there and it's close to home for both. Souths are an anomaly. That's 4 of the 5 biggest crowd drawers.

It's probably a bit far for Penrith but thems the brakes.

We have the right facilities now. Big games at big stadiums. Smaller games at traditional home grounds. I'm sure Saints would be able to accommodate some of their better drawing matches to Homebush.

I'd like for the occasional home game at Homebush to have that "event" feel, like it used to when it first opened.

dragons play home games there as well.

penrith will have to do it if they want to grow.

just get a roof on the thing at least and more regular direct trains for all games.

with 40k at homebush its a fantastic stadium so market the games and get ticket prices right

 

[Saint Doc]

its a wasteland.

none of those fans will want to travel in large numbers to a small suburbs in the south west of sydney

it would take panthers fans over an hour i guess to get there. from belmore / homebush same for dogs fans, almost 90 mins from lillfield / leichardt

the dogs gave up on oasis ages ago they are settled at homebush

a stadium at liverpool will be a bigger white elephant than ANZ stadium it, which is at least in the actual centre of sydney

the state govt wont be funding this

I'm not discussing this with you anymore if you think bankstown to liverpool takes an hour.

All of those Western sydney club bases are 10-40mins away with an average of about 20-25mins.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

its a wasteland.

none of those fans will want to travel in large numbers to a small suburbs in the south west of sydney

it would take panthers fans over an hour i guess to get there. from belmore / homebush same for dogs fans, almost 90 mins from lillfield / leichardt

the dogs gave up on oasis ages ago they are settled at homebush

a stadium at liverpool will be a bigger white elephant than ANZ stadium it, which is at least in the actual centre of sydney

the state govt wont be funding this

Sure its a shithole, but thats Western Sydney for you. Find me anywhere west of Newtown for a night out that doesnt make you want to kill yourself and i will name you my god.

The fact is, Liverpool is the most central location for the West Sydney market; it has train lines direct from Blacktown and Parramatta, from Campbelltown and from Sydenham coming through Bankstown and Belmore. And if one was so obliged, you could even get a train direct from central.

As for the area itself, sure its not a great night spot, but find me anywhere in Western Sydney that is. Liverpool is no worse than Penrith, Blacktown, Parramatta or Homebush for a night out. This is forgetting the fact that within 10-20 years Liverpool will become Sydneys Largest population centre with just under half a million and it will become the cities 3 largest economic centre (after the CBD and Parramatta), meaning restaurants, bars and anything else you can name will begin to filter into the city.

This is where the stadium should be if you want people to show up.

Edit: Having said all of this, my first choice would still be to focus on Homebush and just massively improve the precinct; Improve the stadium, bring in businesses and better transport options. The light-rail plan for western sydney would be a godsend for Homebush, the Central station would be in parramatta and an eastern root would drop people to the north end of ANZ

 

[georgesnmith]

liverpool is in the south west. its near none of them. putting a new stadium which is near none of the clubs is a dumb idea.

homebush kills liverpool as a location to get too.

id much rather go to a night game in homebush than liverpool, or have to catch a train from their at night to go home

the state govt wont be wasting hundreds of millions on this white elephant when theyve already got one at homebush to service.

and try driving from parramatta to liverpool in traffic, or from penrith to liverpool in traffic.

If any stadium in the west gets money it will be parramatta as they share with an A League club

if they have to spend $300 million on a new stadium in liverpool or a roof at homebush they will go with the latter

the state govenment has already called for costings on a roof at homebush they are looking at it closely.

 

[Saint Doc]

agreed why liverpool its useless to the NRL

the problem with a new stadium in western sydney is where to maximise usage for all clubs

parramatta is the best option and even that isnt ideal

liverpool is useless to everyone, its near no NRL club

liverpool is also a massive dump. it wont attract fans having to travel to such a remote location in sydney.

putting a stadium near none of the current western sydney NRL sides is a dumb idea.

its a wasteland.

none of those fans will want to travel in large numbers to a small suburbs in the south west of sydney

liverpool is in the south west. its near none of them. putting a new stadium which is near none of the clubs is a dumb idea.

Homebush is A
Liverpool is B

Homebush may be the geographical centre of Sydney, but Liverpool is pretty much the geographical centre of Western Sydney, considering south west sydney is massive compared to north west sydney.

How about you start talking some facts

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

On a side note:

Apparently Millers Point (the land next to Barangaroo) is up for redevelopment. ARLC should lobby for a new stadium here. Right next to the City, i know id be there every chance i got.

It wouldnt even have to be as big as the SFS, just a rehash of AAMI park in melbourne would be amazing. It would be packed every week just because it would be the thing to do before going out on a Friday or Saturday night.

At least we can dream....

 

[hutch]

I would say parramatta is the geographical centre if Sydney.

And liverpool is a shithole, nobody will want to go there for any sport, especially via public transport.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

On a side note:

Apparently Millers Point (the land next to Barangaroo) is up for redevelopment. ARLC should lobby for a new stadium here. Right next to the City, i know id be there every chance i got.

It wouldnt even have to be as big as the SFS, just a rehash of AAMI park in melbourne would be amazing. It would be packed every week just because it would be the thing to do before going out on a Friday or Saturday night.

At least we can dream....

Nah, f**k a stadium. Put in another casino. Can never have too many of those money pits.

 

[reanimate]

I would say parramatta is the geographical centre if Sydney.

And liverpool is a shithole, nobody will want to go there for any sport, especially via public transport.

People will go out to Liverpool to see these guys in their natural habitat:

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[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I would say parramatta is the geographical centre if Sydney.

And liverpool is a shithole, nobody will want to go there for any sport, especially via public transport.

The only reason i would prefer a Liverpool Stadium over a Parramatta one is because Homebush exists.

If this Western Sydney light rail deal...

...were to come to fruition, then Homebush would be the perfect area and they should just invest in THAT area. Just talk people into spending the day in Parra then catching the tram into Homebush.

But given Homebush is here now forever, i dont think Parramatta should get a stadium above other potential areas; it just seems a bit redundant.

 

[georgesnmith]

hmoebush with a roof on it will be fine

and they are building new stuff there all the time it will get a more developed feel.

it might not be ideal but thats where our future lies in sydney

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

There is a shit load of open space at Olympic Park. The place is like its been transplanted from Canberra.

Homebush is a perfect opportunity for the ARLC to get Govt $$$$ to make the place exciting and vibrant.

Express trains from central and Strathfield with no stops would be a masterstroke. You'd be off the train in 15 mins flat in the city. Plenty of space for entertainment at Homebush. Have concerts and kids shit out there on the boulevarde. Subsidise it and make it value for money and they will come. Its teh one place in Sydney with plenty of infrastructure.

It may be a white elephant, but its a golden opportunity. Particularly when they get to make it strictly rectangualr and f**k the AFL and cricket off. Play those at the Showground next door.

It will happen. I have no doubt it will.

The SFS - well, its easily the best venue to watch RL already. Give it a facelift, add and aditional 20k capacity and its a jewell in the crown. Reverse the train strategy from Sutrherland, Hurstville, Liverpool, Bankstown, Parra etc to central depending on who is playing and you already have the great amenities of Surry Hills for the grown ups for the walk up the hill and Moore Park and surrounds would be a perfect spot for families to gather before hand.

It can be done. It must be done. It will be done.

 

[georgesnmith]

dave smith and the state government have both expressed a desire for one or two stadium strategy

the state government has put in over $100 million in various club grounds and could easily put in double that again to finish them all off

big games have to be played at either anz or SFS. it means manly fans have to learn how to travel. to do brookie up properly would cost $100 million plus.

same with penrith stadium.

if they make an event out of it they are more likely to start attracting a lot of neutrals, especially if the crowds are good.

homebush gives league the chance to grow crowds a lot. the stadium gives clubs a guaranteed $1 million pa, plus a cut over crowds over 20k. plus all the corporate facilities as well.

 

[reanimate]

dave smith and the state government have both expressed a desire for one or two stadium strategy

the state government has put in over $100 million in various club grounds and could easily put in double that again to finish them all off

big games have to be played at either anz or SFS. it means manly fans have to learn how to travel. to do brookie up properly would cost $100 million plus.

same with penrith stadium.

if they make an event out of it they are more likely to start attracting a lot of neutrals, especially if the crowds are good.

homebush gives league the chance to grow crowds a lot. the stadium gives clubs a guaranteed $1 million pa, plus a cut over crowds over 20k. plus all the corporate facilities as well.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here at all, but it's easy to say that, but hard to do from the Northern Beaches, especially when it comes to night games. If you work in the city, inner west, North Shore etc. and have kids, you have to travel home through the traffic to the Beaches, then organise your kids and travel back to the city/Homebush by 7/7:30. It's effectively impossible, even if you left work at 5:30 on the dot, to do that. It's also why the CC Bears are a dumb idea, it'll be nigh on impossible for their North Shore fanbase to get to Gosford for games after work on a Friday/Monday night.

The North needs a decent stadium of its own, it's not feasible for people on the Northern Beaches and parts of the North Shore to get to Homebush or the SFS for Friday/Monday night games.

 

[georgesnmith]

i know about the traffic on military road.

brookie wont get more than $50 million if its lucky, which wont make it a 30k all seater.

in the future the clubs who dont play out of big stadiums will get left behind by those that do

not just on crowd numbers, but also corporate facilities.

id say 6 games at brookvale, the rest at SFS or SCG

try to work with the ARLC to get the SFS games schedule for a sat night, or perhaps a sunday afternoon, avoid friday games.

fans of my club (dragons) were adamant they wouldnt travel to ANZ, now because the club is losing money they have accepted it, indeed we got 20k vs tigers,which we wouldnt have got at either win stadium