Future NRL Stadiums

[Perth Red]

with a roof and it would be fine.

And padded chairs, waiters to serve you in your seat, velvet slippers and someone to fan you if it gets a bit warm. Anz probably has around 30k seats under the drip line that keep you dry when it rains. A roof isn't the problem it's the scale meaning a terrible atmosphere and no demand for getting tickets early and the ghost town that is around it meaning a night at the footy lasts only two hours. You can polish a turd all you like it will still be a turd.

 

[Green River Eel]

Penrith are struggling to get 10 people to their games, what the hell are they going to do with a new stadium?

 

[seanoff]

even today melbourne hardly has a skyline. the Parramatta CBD probably has a similar skyline, and north sydney certainly is more built up lol

there is some absolute dribble written on this forum. this being among it.

I see no tall buildings here. NONE. nothing above 20 floors. :sarcasm:

4 of the 5 tallest buildings in australia are in that picture.

Parra is currently shorter than Darwin FFS. there are some u/c that will make it taller than Darwin. 3 in fact. but it aint anywhere near melbourne, or Brisbane, or Gold Coast or Perth.

sydney's skyline is spectacular, world leading even, but Melbourne is pretty damn tall.

 

[undertaker]

You need to let that insane theory go man. I've pointed out every time you've brought it up that you would immediately gut the corporate and members revenue by changing the orientation, and the comparison to the stadium in Akron, a new build, is just nonsense.

This.

I knew you were going to post this, I think the idea could possibly work but I really don't think we will see a rebuild of that magnitude to ANZ.

For a start, an East-West field, like the Old Sydney Showground, will never, ever work. On a Sunny day, too many teams will bitch of the fact that one half of the game they're looking directly into the sun and the opposition will just simply bomb the crap out of them with gay abandon. You might as well play a game where all the fans are shining powerful lasers and flash lights into the players eyes for the whole game. In the months where the shadow casted by the western grandstand will just cover anywhere between the 50m line up to the first several rows of the eastern grandstand by full-time, there's too much of an advantage to whoever won the coin toss as they'll simply elect to running from west to east in the 1st half where the shadow is already covering part of the field.

Also, as you said, the massive costs it would take to do this reconfiguration will be exorbitant. Corporates won't be happy their boxes have the crap view behind the goal-posts

 

[Perth Red]

there is some absolute dribble written on this forum. this being among it.

I see no tall buildings here. NONE. nothing above 20 floors. :sarcasm:

4 of the 5 tallest buildings in australia are in that picture.

Parra is currently shorter than Darwin FFS. there are some u/c that will make it taller than Darwin. 3 in fact. but it aint anywhere near melbourne, or Brisbane, or Gold Coast or Perth.

sydney's skyline is spectacular, world leading even, but Melbourne is pretty damn tall.

It's George, he lives in a bit of a fantasy world and seems like he has never actually been to any other city in Australia lol.

 

[georgesnmith]

And padded chairs, waiters to serve you in your seat, velvet slippers and someone to fan you if it gets a bit warm. Anz probably has around 30k seats under the drip line that keep you dry when it rains. A roof isn't the problem it's the scale meaning a terrible atmosphere and no demand for getting tickets early and the ghost town that is around it meaning a night at the footy lasts only two hours. You can polish a turd all you like it will still be a turd.

lol this isnt craven park we are talking about.

dunno how many times youve been there, for me its probably close to 50 times.

the only really bad views is rows 1 - 30 behind the sticks, thats what they propose fixing.

putting a roof on the joint take out poor weather as an excuse

on empty seating AFL has 40k empty seats a game at the MCG dont see you complaining about that.

the NRL need to look at ticket pricing.

for ANZ games:family tix should be $30 - 40, adult GA $15, Category 2 $25 and Cat 1 $35.

seriously who goes to the football to stay in the area afterwards, its watch the game then get out as fast as possible.

 

[georgesnmith]

there is some absolute dribble written on this forum. this being among it.

I see no tall buildings here. NONE. nothing above 20 floors. :sarcasm:

4 of the 5 tallest buildings in australia are in that picture.

Parra is currently shorter than Darwin FFS. there are some u/c that will make it taller than Darwin. 3 in fact. but it aint anywhere near melbourne, or Brisbane, or Gold Coast or Perth.

sydney's skyline is spectacular, world leading even, but Melbourne is pretty damn tall.

the only good thing about melbourne is the pacific highway on the way out.

place needs a good 20 years of development, the CBD is just so barren and void, full of low rise buildings.

 

[JonnoM]

the only good thing about melbourne is the pacific highway on the way out.

Pacific Hwy on the way out of Melbourne?
Get yourself a map!

 

[JonnoM]

And padded chairs, waiters to serve you in your seat, velvet slippers and someone to fan you if it gets a bit warm. Anz probably has around 30k seats under the drip line that keep you dry when it rains. A roof isn't the problem it's the scale meaning a terrible atmosphere and no demand for getting tickets early and the ghost town that is around it meaning a night at the footy lasts only two hours. You can polish a turd all you like it will still be a turd.

Sydneysiders have a choice with ANZ.
Either keep it or revamp it to improve the experience.
Moving the lower bowl closer WILL improve the experience.Thats over 47,000 seats.The middle tier are good seats,normally reserved for corporates and members and seat around 12,000.The poor seats are situated on level 6 which seats 23,500.Ive sat in the lower part of level 6 and the view is actually great.

 

[Perth Red]

lol this isnt craven park we are talking about.

dunno how many times youve been there, for me its probably close to 50 times.

the only really bad views is rows 1 - 30 behind the sticks, thats what they propose fixing.

putting a roof on the joint take out poor weather as an excuse

on empty seating AFL has 40k empty seats a game at the MCG dont see you complaining about that.

the NRL need to look at ticket pricing.

for ANZ games:family tix should be $30 - 40, adult GA $15, Category 2 $25 and Cat 1 $35.

seriously who goes to the football to stay in the area afterwards, its watch the game then get out as fast as possible.

Plenty f times to anz, and I'd take the atmosphere at craven park over the moonlike anz any day of the week. Tune in to Eurosport on Friday morning to feel what a true derby is about. Now that will be a sporting experience worth getting out of your armchair for.

What has the mcg got to do with the NRL and anz? nice thread derail attempt.

Do agree about pricing, I paid $100 for two of us to sit near front, great until it rained and we had to move further back.

Us dinks enjoy watching the game then heading for a few drinks, Melbourne, Brisbane and to some degree Perth have this nailed.

 

[oikee]

Your fighting a losing battle if your trying to compare Sydney against Melbourne.
On every turn Melbourne has kicked Sydney's head in and leaves it for dead.
Stadiums, MCG, Etihad, AAmi park, Scoda, world-class in perfect spot with transport.
Crowds, regular 30 to 50 to 70 to 90 thousand.
Tall buildings, leaves sydney for dead. Coffee and Italian food second to none.

Sydney dropped the ball along time ago, and never found it again.
The only thing that can slowly restore some pride in Sydney, (which is basically not much more than a mardi-gras cross-dresser who does not know wheather they are coming or going) is a 55 thousand mega stadium built for rugby league in the heart of the west.

Anything less than that is nothing but fluff, a bit like Sydney, the fluff town.
Everything points to Sydney's west. The new airport, the Parra river, Parra rebirth and future music and high-rise hub, Parra is where the growth of the game can be made.
They need to start acting like the heart of the game.
If they build a 30 thousand stadium for Sydney then the game wont ever grow.

You cant expect other teams to want to use a 30 thousand stadium, this is not much bigger than their own backyard grounds, and they are never full.
What you can do is entice fans of other teams and codes to use a homebase of a super stadium for big games as long as they have a world-class stadium.

If the NRL get this wrong the code is doomed.
Is it really that hard to understand that Sydney is one huge stadium short , so building a huge mega stadium in the middle of our heartlands will grow the code twofold.
Only use ANZ for internationals, Origins and grand and semi finals.

Start growing crowds through derbies and rivalries at the new stadium, at 55 thousand it gives you plenty of room for growth. Suncorp is hardly ever full, but they often get crowds over 30 thousand.

 

[undertaker]

Very nostalgic reading through the older posts in this thread. To think at one stage we were excited about new stadiums in the Gold Coast and Melbourne. I'm glad Melbourne got AAMI Park after years of playing out of the run-down, dilapidated Olympic park. It's hard to believe that State of Origin and test matches used to be played at Olympic Park in the early '90s.

Gold Coast have a fantastic ground that many Sydney teams would die for...such a shame they can't even pack out half of it. It's sad to see that they averaged 16,815 at Carrara, which is more than what they have averaged at Skilled Park over the past three seasons (even when factoring in the inflated crowds at Skilled during that time). A high chance Skilled Park could eventually turn into a empty, soulless white elephant

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Does that George bloke genuinely think that Sydney is a better city than Melbourne!

That takes the cake for biggest amount of poo I have ever read.

Everyone I know - including many Sydney natives winge about how terrible Sydney is, from the people, the lack of community spirit, lack of transport.

Its just a shithole with a nice harbour.

Melbourne beats Sydney in EVERY SINGLE WAY.

 

[georgesnmith]

Does that George bloke genuinely think that Sydney is a better city than Melbourne!

That takes the cake for biggest amount of poo I have ever read.

Everyone I know - including many Sydney natives winge about how terrible Sydney is, from the people, the lack of community spirit, lack of transport.

Its just a shithole with a nice harbour.

Melbourne beats Sydney in EVERY SINGLE WAY.

:lol:

 

[georgesnmith]

Plenty f times to anz, and I'd take the atmosphere at craven park over the moonlike anz any day of the week. Tune in to Eurosport on Friday morning to feel what a true derby is about. Now that will be a sporting experience worth getting out of your armchair for.

What has the mcg got to do with the NRL and anz? nice thread derail attempt.

Do agree about pricing, I paid $100 for two of us to sit near front, great until it rained and we had to move further back.

Us dinks enjoy watching the game then heading for a few drinks, Melbourne, Brisbane and to some degree Perth have this nailed.

so ANZ stadium has a cavernous atmosphere with 65k empty seats but when there are 17k in the MCG and they have close to 85k empty seats its not an issue? thats more than the capacity of homebush.

more clubs using ANZ stadium is the way to grow crowds in sydney, maybe if you spent less time looking at empty seats, and more time watching the games you wouldnt be talking about it so often

 

[georgesnmith]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...100-million-redevelopment-20140417-zqvzi.html



Bulldogs get six-star approval for $100 million redevelopment
Date
April 18, 2014 - 1:16AM

Canterbury Leagues Club has received the government's go-ahead for a $100 million project to transform its premises at Belmore into a six-star hotel and create new revenue streams that should guarantee the financial security and strength of the Bulldogs.

Ironically, the state government's Joint Regional Planning Panel granted its permission to Canterbury on Wednesday, the same day an independent planning authority rejected the proposal for a high-rise building on the old Balmain Tigers site at Rozelle because it deemed the traffic and transport issues were so "unresolvable" it was not in the public interest.


Canterbury will now start the tender process for the ambitious project. It is understood the redevelopment will involve:

Changing the club's current L-shaped structure into a "U";
Constructing a new wing, which would include a six-star hotel, the only such hotel in the city's south-west;
Refurbishment of existing facilities;

Allocating $20 million to dig for five underground levels to accommodate 400 new car spaces;
Building a 1000-seat function/conference centre.

Insiders say Canterbury's ultimate aim was to follow the plan of Rozelle Village Pty Ltd – the property developer that bought the Balmain site in 2009 for $1 in exchange for absorbing the club's $23.5 million debt – and construct twin towers that would consist of up to 400 residential apartments, many of which would offer sweeping views of Sydney's skyline.

The development is expected to consist of three stages. Stage one is the car park, where the cost of each space is calculated at $20,000. The refurbishment of the Leagues Club amenities and construction of the conference/function centre is identified as the second phase, and the final stage will be the hotel complex.

The club board, which includes former Bulldogs greats George Peponis (chairman) and Steve Mortimer, has long prided itself on honouring the 1956 charter – to serve the local rugby league and to contribute to the Canterbury Bankstown community.

Peponis could not be contacted for comment on Thursday.

Details of the master-plan were discussed at the club's annual meeting last month but were kept off the radar until the government gave the green light.

Canterbury Leagues Club was formed in 1956 and operated out of an old Salvation Army Hall. It relocated to Bridge Street in 1960 and quickly became a veritable gold mine because of its poker machines and entertainment. In the 1990s, it was regarded as one of the nation's most progressive clubs, and it has invested millions of dollars over the past 14 years to build on that reputation.

In 2000, the club spent $36 million to redevelop the venue, and it is regarded as a badge of honour by the board that the debt was fully paid off 12 years later.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...development-20140417-zqvzi.html#ixzz2zBQIcxba





i know its not a ground improvement but still thats damn excellent. good to see clubs getting more revenue streams.

 

[georgesnmith]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/pi...-should-be-spent/story-fndv34of-1226888496743


PIRTEK Stadium’s $29 million facelift has been sent back to the drawing board following a dispute with the NRL and FFA over how the funds should be spent.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal a board meeting of Venues NSW on Tuesday resolved to freeze all development plans indefinitely.

As a result, plans to upgrade corporate facilities in the eastern grandstand from August have been temporarily aborted.

The Western Sydney Wanderers had staunchly opposed that leg of the *redevelopment because it would have slashed the venue’s *capacity by 3000 seats for next summer’s A-League.

With more than 15,000 season ticket-holders, the Wanderers are already struggling to accommodate fans.

The remainder of the money was to be spent on 1500 additional seats at the northern end and new dressing rooms under the western grandstand.

While both the Wanderers and other major tenant, the Parramatta Eels, want new facilities for players, both clubs have been petitioning for alternative improvements.

The Eels want the 70m pitch behind the southern stand to be extended to a full-length field, which would enable them to hold all training sessions inside the precinct. Parramatta have been nomadic over the past two years, switching their drills between nearby Richie Benaud Oval, Granville and the stadium itself.

Eels boss Scott Seward wants the leftover money to be saved for a major redevelopment that would increase capacity to 32,000. Venues NSW believes a project of that magnitude would cost in excess of $100 million and possibly leave both clubs homeless for at least a year.

“Both the Wanderers and Parramatta agree that we need to look at the scope of works,” Seward said. “We’ve had numerous discussions with Venues NSW about that, and they’ve increased in the past six weeks.

“We want to call Pirtek Stadium home for many years, but we also want to dramatically increase our membership. We don’t see the point of spending the money on an upgrade that will barely increase the capacity.

“As for the training field, that was something we were promised when we signed our new lease with the stadium (in 2012).”

A source close to Venues NSW said the authority had decided to take stock after realising the tenants weren’t going to be happy.

It’s understood Venues NSW still wants to push ahead with additional seats on the northern stand, as those works will not disrupt current operations.

A spokesman for the NSW Sports Minister confirmed renewed talks would now commence with the Eels and Wanderers.

“It is important that the upgrade plans suit the needs of the teams who regularly hire the stadium,” the spokesman said. “It is equally important that the venue secures long-term commitments from those teams.

“There are ongoing discussions between Venues NSW, the Parramatta Eels, the NRL and the Western Sydney Wanderers to ensure these objectives are met"

 

[georgesnmith]

eels should take more games to ANZ if they dont get what they want.

 

[cleary89]

Just went to Melbourne for the first time this week, it's shit. Sydney is way better.

 

[bobmar28]

the only good thing about melbourne is the pacific highway on the way out.

place needs a good 20 years of development, the CBD is just so barren and void, full of low rise buildings.

Make that the Hume Highway.