General Discussion Thread

[umina panther]

Where have we improved? We have the same top 13. Lost 2 new internationals off the bench and added 2 Fringe FGers...

Coaching without a doubt no matter who it is

 

[franklin2323]

Coaching without a doubt no matter who it is

We were 1st mid season under the old coach though.. Having to play young guys too much hurt that.

These same young guys now are needed more given to 2 bench guys that are gone.

 

[franklin2323]

Problem is we don't seem to be able to compete with clubs like the Roosters unless we get them young and breed them to be loyal. This quote from Iron Fist TV show is us:

"You hire people when they're young, single, looking for something to commit to, to build their lives around. Pay them twice what they're worth. It builds loyalty."

The last 2 seasons in a row. We had 3 locals sign new deals only to go less than 12 months later. Moylan and Carty had excuses that were fair enough but CHN... no such thing outside of poor management

 

[jane the pain]

Where have we improved? We have the same top 13. Lost 2 new internationals off the bench and added 2 Fringe FGers...

 

[jane the pain]

Where have we improved? We have the same top 13. Lost 2 new internationals off the bench and added 2 Fringe FGers...

Made it into the semi's 3 years running. Having players who want to player for the Panthers, fighting of insolvency.

 

[OldPanther]

Made it into the semi's 3 years running. Having players who want to player for the Panthers, fighting of insolvency.

I think he's talking about the roster rather than the club overall. We seem to have a habit of letting experience go and promoting rookies.

 

[Luke Bowden]

so tell me then. Who did we need to re-sign for 2019?

It’s not just about 2019. Cap management is about looking 2 or 3 years ahead.

Thinking the way you do, is what got us in a trouble previously.

 

[jane the pain]

I think he's talking about the roster rather than the club overall. We seem to have a habit of letting experience go and promoting rookies.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[franklin2323]

It’s not just about 2019. Cap management is about looking 2 or 3 years ahead.

Thinking the way you do, is what got us in a trouble previously.

How does releasing guys 12 months early solve the 2-3 years issue though?

Not one guy we have re-signed didn't have a deal for 2019. They could of stayed this year while those to take their place further develop or look for cheap bargins as guys get released elsewhere.

Gus admitted he doesn't pay minimum wage. Nor do we get guys who deals are being partially covered by their old clubs. Both those would help the cap going forward

 

[franklin2323]

I think he's talking about the roster rather than the club overall. We seem to have a habit of letting experience go and promoting rookies.

Yep it is good we have the juniors. Do we want to be in the finals only every year or push towards the comp? If only make finals is the aim then keep doing what we are now.

 

[jane the pain]

How does releasing guys 12 months early solve the 2-3 years issue though?

Not one guy we have re-signed didn't have a deal for 2019. They could of stayed this year while those to take their place further develop or look for cheap bargins as guys get released elsewhere.

Gus admitted he doesn't pay minimum wage. Nor do we get guys who deals are being partially covered by their old clubs. Both those would help the cap going forward

Gus says that he pays them their worth. There is a difference.

 

[franklin2323]

Gus says that he pays them their worth. There is a difference.

who decides a rookies worth though?

 

[OldPanther]

And there is nothing wrong with that.

It's good if you nurture a core group of players into experience (For example Storm with Cronk, Smith, Slater). You'll get lots of long term success but we aren't doing that or at least not yet. Nathan and RCG are on new long term deals but we've broken a lot so far which creates a lack of confidence in contracts.

 

[jane the pain]

who decides a rookies worth though?

It's good if you nurture a core group of players into experience (For example Storm with Cronk, Smith, Slater). You'll get lots of long term success but we aren't doing that or at least not yet. Nathan and RCG are on new long term deals but we've broken a lot so far which creates a lack of confidence in contracts.

Obviously Gus does. Corey left because he knew his game time would be lessen due to Viliame's contract extension. Moylan had to go, and so did Bryce. My point is those who were let go early, there was a great reason behind it.

 

[Kilkenny]

Obviously Gus does. Corey left because he knew his game time would be lessen due to Viliame's contract extension. Moylan had to go, and so did Bryce. My point is those who were let go early, there was a great reason behind it.

I agree Jane.

Someone posted a 'long' list earlier this season of all the players we have released early from the contracts they were on. I looked at this list and I thought it was for the most part good business by the club and good business for the players released. Had we still had some of the players we released early on our books we would not be in a position to retain some of the players we either have retained such as Kikau/Cleary or some of the players we are trying to retain/extend. Can you imagine the uproar if we lost someone like Viliame Kikau because we didn't have the funds available to resign him. Our cap management if really good we just need to unearth some young guns in key positions where we remain short of being premiership quality.

 

[franklin2323]

I agree Jane.

Someone posted a 'long' list earlier this season of all the players we have released early from the contracts they were on. I looked at this list and I thought it was for the most part good business by the club and good business for the players released. Had we still had some of the players we released early on our books we would not be in a position to retain some of the players we either have retained such as Kikau/Cleary or some of the players we are trying to retain/extend. Can you imagine the uproar if we lost someone like Viliame Kikau because we didn't have the funds available to resign him. Our cap management if really good we just need to unearth some young guns in key positions where we remain short of being premiership quality.

Peachey and CHN could of not been re-signed at the end of their deal. As MCKendry won't be and nothing would of changed as far as player re-signings went. They were signed for 2019. We needed the extra money for 2020 not 2019.

 

[MrBlack]

Peachey and CHN could of not been re-signed at the end of their deal. As MCKendry won't be and nothing would of changed as far as player re-signings went. They were signed for 2019. We needed the extra money for 2020 not 2019.

We may be in the market for someone for next year.

I have heard that Napa is being shopped around. He would be an upgrade.

 

[jane the pain]

Peachey and CHN could of not been re-signed at the end of their deal. As MCKendry won't be and nothing would of changed as far as player re-signings went. They were signed for 2019. We needed the extra money for 2020 not 2019.

I agree Jane.

Someone posted a 'long' list earlier this season of all the players we have released early from the contracts they were on. I looked at this list and I thought it was for the most part good business by the club and good business for the players released. Had we still had some of the players we released early on our books we would not be in a position to retain some of the players we either have retained such as Kikau/Cleary or some of the players we are trying to retain/extend. Can you imagine the uproar if we lost someone like Viliame Kikau because we didn't have the funds available to resign him. Our cap management if really good we just need to unearth some young guns in key positions where we remain short of being premiership quality.

You summed things up perfectly, Kilkenny, unfortunately some people just like to whinge for the sake of it.

 

[Kilkenny]

Peachey and CHN could of not been re-signed at the end of their deal. As MCKendry won't be and nothing would of changed as far as player re-signings went. They were signed for 2019. We needed the extra money for 2020 not 2019.

Franklin you are looking at the salary cap through rose coloured glasses mate. It isn't that simple.

I would have loved to have kept a host of players we have released, including Peachy and CHN but it just isn't possible because sometimes you have to make tough decisions.

You would have been blowing up big time if we had not been able to keep Kikau.

 

[franklin2323]

We may be in the market for someone for next year.

I have heard that Napa is being shopped around. He would be an upgrade.

Doesn't Gus and Politis have an agreement not to sign each other's players? Yes stuff like that is good that will strengthen the side