General Discussion Thread

[Kilkenny]

Oh I agree with Maloney and King, 100%

Our justice system, in the criminal sphere anyway is built around the presumption of innocence.

Regardless of one’s personal opinions around Paul Kent as a person, as a RL journalist he is entitled to the presumption of innocence and I think we need to let this one take its natural course before passing judgement.

 

[MrBlack]

Some would argue that his gameplan was to have the fittest team in the comp and just wear the opposition down until they broke. (Sounds rather familiar).

But the cattle didn't have the patience or discipline to pull it off.

Agree - especially the part abou the patience and discipline

Say what you will - he doesnt get the accolades for what he did for us. He moved on stale players and opened pathways for the younger guys. Used older journeymen to instill proper disciplines (Ciraldo was one of those guys).

His only problem was that he just wasnt a good gameday coach.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Agree - especially the part abou the patience and discipline

Say what you will - he doesnt get the accolades for what he did for us. He moved on stale players and opened pathways for the younger guys. Used older journeymen to instill proper disciplines (Ciraldo was one of those guys).

His only problem was that he just wasnt a good gameday coach.

Hook’s game plan was pass it to the big Fijian on the left.

 

[MrBlack]

Hook’s game plan was pass it to the big Fijian on the left.

Problem was when they moved the ball left they realised he was playing right wing...........

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Our justice system, in the criminal sphere anyway is built around the presumption of innocence.

Regardless of one’s personal opinions around Paul Kent as a person, as a RL journalist he is entitled to the presumption of innocence and I think we need to let this one take its natural course before passing judgement.

I think what many of us are outraged is the sheer hypocrisy of the media. Just imagine if it was a player or club offical. The media would be all over it like a cheap suit.

When it's a player at times it's almost trial by media. With Kent it's been crickets.

 

[snickers007]

Hook’s game plan was pass it to the big Fijian on the left.

Read through any GameDay thread from this year and you'll notice that most think that same tactic was a significant part of Ivan's plan too!

 

[Iamback]

That stuff happened after it was clear he wasn't getting results and was going to be sacked.

McGregor said the same stuff. Again today in the media said the next head coach needs total control

 

[Iamback]

The squad on paper is ok (not bottom 4), but they're a basket case of an organisation. That ramps up the degree of difficulty considerably. In that context bottom 4 isn't surprising.

The top 17 is good but where is their point of difference in the pack?

That and young guys are too inconsistent

 

[Kilkenny]

I think what many of us are outraged is the sheer hypocrisy of the media. Just imagine if it was a player or club offical. The media would be all over it like a cheap suit.

When it's a player at times it's almost trial by media. With Kent it's been crickets.

I totally understand.

Me personally, I don’t like to weigh in on these sorts of issues regardless of who it is.

Not a fan of the whole woke, cancel culture thing. We just need to let it play out and in this case let Paul Kent have his day in court.

 

[Whino]

I think what many of us are outraged is the sheer hypocrisy of the media. Just imagine if it was a player or club offical. The media would be all over it like a cheap suit.

When it's a player at times it's almost trial by media. With Kent it's been crickets.

The media protect their own. They covered up James Hooper"s alleged incident a few years back.

I have no problem with the presumption of innocence. As long as its to everyone. It can't be selectively.

Given the ways players are treated for alleged incidents. I would have no problems with Kent treated the same way players are.
Journalists camped out the front of his house, hounding him day and night. Going through his rubbish. Asking him the same question 20 times.
Endless coverage.
Karma for Kent.

 

[Whino]

Hook’s game plan was pass it to the big Fijian on the left.

5 hit-ups and a bomb. The only variation was run it on the last if 10 out from the opposition end.

 

[Iamback]

Re; Game plan - I've said this before but it's not too dissimilar to how we're playing now, the players have just improved with age and experience and we added a bit of quality. The man was before his time.

He's one of the most successful coaches in our club's history % wise. The year before he came we missed the 8, the year after he left we missed the 8. So the whole argument 'look at cattle he had' is null and void.

In saying that, would we have had the same success if we kept him? Probably not. Cleary has galvanized the playing roster and has been huge in transforming the culture of the club, but without Hooks intervention, I don't think he'd be near as successful in his second stint either. Hook brought through the players needed and improved others - Cleary, Kiks, RCG, Blake etc - and got us fitter than we'd ever been which allowed us to run teams down. He mightn't have been everyone's cup of tea nor a master tactician but he got control back of the playing group that was running the place when he came in.

Comes down to Cattle. They would have a game plan that revolves around Hunt.

The pack is some plodders who offer no ball playing.

Their next 2 best are Sua and Ravalawa who can't stay on the field.

They have a worse hooker combo then us.

Amone was looking good - then missed the pre season and start of the year due to off field issues

Throw in their 1st choice fullback being out for the year.

This is from a roster that looked bottom 8 to start with.

The whole club needs to be blown up and start again

 

[Kilkenny]

5 hit-ups and a bomb. The only variation was run it on the last if 10 out from the opposition end.

I don’t know about that.

My memory is fading with age, but we scored some amazing long range tries under Hook, throwing the ball around, I could be wrong but I thought we played some amazing footy in Hooks time here, May not always have been planned but enjoyable none the less.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I don’t know about that.

My memory is fading with age, but we scored some amazing long range tries under Hook, throwing the ball around, I could be wrong but I thought we played some amazing footy in Hooks time here, May not always have been planned but enjoyable none the less.

Didn't that often occur late in the game, when the players throw away the 'dodgy' game plan, and attempting to claw back a lead.

That's what I remember.

 

[Kilkenny]

The media protect their own. They covered up James Hooper"s alleged incident a few years back.

I have no problem with the presumption of innocence. As long as its to everyone. It can't be selectively.

Given the ways players are treated for alleged incidents. I would have no problems with Kent treated the same way players are.
Journalists camped out the front of his house, hounding him day and night. Going through his rubbish. Asking him the same question 20 times.
Endless coverage.
Karma for Kent.

Once someone is charged with a criminal offence there is due process involved, or supposed to be, therefore it is not permissible to infringe on matters before a court.

There is a difference between the NRL stand down policy around players being charged with criminal offences and the media conducting some sort of witch hunt. It really doesn’t happen once someone is charged, the media have to back off, otherwise they can be held in contempt or liable to civil actions once criminal proceedings are finalised.

 

[jane the pain]

Our justice system, in the criminal sphere anyway is built around the presumption of innocence.

Regardless of one’s personal opinions around Paul Kent as a person, as a RL journalist he is entitled to the presumption of innocence and I think we need to let this one take its natural course before passing judgement.

Normally I would agree, however, Kent didn't afford those players whom he slandered the same right.

 

[Kilkenny]

Didn't that often occur late in the game, when the players throw away the 'dodgy' game plan, and attempting to claw back a lead.

That's what I remember.

We were somewhat infamous for a few games, losing 14-0 at HT and finishing over the top of sides in the second period.

The ad lib footy, I remember it as rather enjoyable, won almost 60% of our games over three seasons they were pretty good times at the time.

Won all first three semi finals 2016-2018. The loss to Brisbane in 2017 was heartbreaking 13-6 I remember there was a horrendous call or incident which changed the course of that game. Those with a better memory May weigh in here. In 2018 after a courageous comeback against the Sharks from 20-0 down only to give up possession from the kick off Townsend kicked a winning field goal. We were close in 2017-2018 but luck deserted us when it mattered most. (Obviously Hook was no longer in charge for the Sharks semi final loss)

 

[ColdWetPanther]

This is an internet forum, we all like to deal in absolutes. This person was responsible, this person added nothing.

For me, we were at a low ebb about a decade ago and the right people were brought in to turn it around and we started moving in the right direction. At different stages that movement has slowed or quickened, but all have been involved in that movement. For me, I’ve been critical of Hook’s game plans but he got the team fit and he also made it acceptable to focus on character rather than talent.

For me what has been so great about the last decade or so has been how the club is willing to evolve and has done so at the right pace. Moving people on is a natural part of an organisations growth, but unlike other teams where we have moved people on (in administration, coaches and players) generally it has been at roughly the right time; neither too early or too late.

 

[Iamback]

We were somewhat infamous for a few games, losing 14-0 at HT and finishing over the top of sides in the second period.

The ad lib footy, I remember it as rather enjoyable, won almost 60% of our games over three seasons they were pretty good times at the time.

Won all first three semi finals 2016-2018. The loss to Brisbane in 2017 was heartbreaking 13-6 I remember there was a horrendous call or incident which changed the course of that game. Those with a better memory May weigh in here. In 2018 after a courageous comeback against the Sharks from 20-0 down only to give up possession from the kick off Townsend kicked a winning field goal. We were close in 2017-2018 but luck deserted us when it mattered most. (Obviously Hook was no longer in charge for the Sharks semi final loss)

After the Canberra game in Bathurst the side said in the presser they started playing the game plan and won. So who knows but goes with a young team

 

[Whino]

Once someone is charged with a criminal offence there is due process involved, or supposed to be, therefore it is not permissible to infringe on matters before a court.

There is a difference between the NRL stand down policy around players being charged with criminal offences and the media conducting some sort of witch hunt. It really doesn’t happen once someone is charged, the media have to back off, otherwise they can be held in contempt or liable to civil actions once criminal proceedings are finalised.

They don't back off. The more high profile the more they push. Unless it is one of their own.
If its politically motivated and a crime has been alleged. Forget due process.