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Kilkenny

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asH taYlOr iS beTTeR ThaN nAthAN clEarY

Not sure what message you are trying to communicate with your caps lock issue but based on the first half against the Roosters Ash Taylor should be playing alongside Bryce Cartwright with the Tweed Coast Seagulls given he has been appalling.
 

Matthew Ellis

Juniors
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Not sure what message you are trying to communicate with your caps lock issue but based on the first half against the Roosters Ash Taylor should be playing alongside Bryce Cartwright with the Tweed Coast Seagulls given he has been appalling.
It's mocking a statement other people make.
 

OldPanther

Coach
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Not sure what message you are trying to communicate with your caps lock issue but based on the first half against the Roosters Ash Taylor should be playing alongside Bryce Cartwright with the Tweed Coast Seagulls given he has been appalling.

It's a way of mocking something people have said previously.
 

franklin2323

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O'Sullivan finally got a game for Roosters. He is Cronk's replacement not Cleary. Good to see another Panther junior play FG
 

OldPanther

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https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/07/16...r-club-coaches-during-state-of-origin-window/

Familiarity - not fatigue - the problem for club coaches during Origin


Penrith's slide from the top of the NRL ladder to fifth place and consecutive losses by St George Illawarra have strengthened calls for State of Origin to be played as back-to-back fixtures while the Telstra Premiership takes a break.

Familiarity - not fatigue - is the main reason the Dragons and Panthers have struggled during the Origin period, as their NSW and Queensland stars have been available for training on just a handful of occasions since the teams for the series opener were announced on Monday, May 28.

At that stage, Penrith and St George Illawarra were at the head of the competition ladder, with the Dragons surrendering the outright lead after losing their round 12 clash with the Panthers just two days earlier.

In the six weeks since, Origin stars Ben Hunt, Tyson Frizell, Paul Vaughan, Jack de Belin and Tariq Sims have attended Dragons training just five times and four of those were sessions were captain's runs the day before a game. That comprised of 30 minutes of light running with little defensive work.

It is a similar story at Penrith, who have lost three of their five matches in the six weeks since Nathan Cleary, James Maloney, Tyrone Peachey and Reagan Campbell-Gillard were chosen in the Blues team for Origin I.

St George Illawarra have lost their past two matches to Melbourne and Wests Tigers after two-point wins over bottom of the table Parramatta and Canterbury, and a 32-8 defeat of Manly in round 15.

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In comparison, Melbourne have come through the Origin period without losing a match for the first time in the club's 20-year history and are now second. There is no doubt the Storm benefited from Cameron Smith's sudden representative retirement.

South Sydney, who had four players involved in Origin this season, also won all five of their matches. On Saturday they claimed the outright lead of the competition after recording a ninth consecutive with a 24-6 defeat of the Bulldogs.

While many believe the main impact of high Origin representation on clubs is the fatigue suffered by the Blues and Maroons players, coaches complain about the disruption to their preparation for matches.

The Dragons are a team whose rise this season was built around extensive repetition and practice, along with the familiarity of a squad which barely changed until Origin.

So far this season, St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor has used just 23 players in 17 matches, including five rookies who played in the 52-30 loss to the Storm. That places them alongside Canberra - who has also used just 23 - as the club's to have made the lowest number of changes.

Of the other teams in the top eight, the Rabbitohs have used 24 players, while the Panthers, Sharks, Warriors and Broncos have each used 27 players and the Storm and Roosters have used 28.

Significantly, Penrith recorded a 36-4 win over the Warriors and the Broncos thrashed the Titans 34-0 in round 17 after preparing to play without their Origin stars. Both teams suffered defeats at full strength last weekend.

Roosters coach Trent Robinson decided to rest his NSW stars Boyd Cordner, James Tedesco and Latrell Mitchell, as well as Cooper Cronk, from Sunday night’s match against Gold Coast and blooded the rookies – Sean O'Sullivan, Paul Momirovski, Matt Ikuvalu and Poasa Faamausili - who had been training in their places.

O'Sullivan, Momirovski and Faamausili scored tries as the Roosters triumphed 20-12 to leapfrog the Panthers into the top four.

Robinson supports Brisbane coach Wayne Bennett's plan to establish June as State of Origin month and play the series as back-to-back games, with 10-day break between each.

The Roosters mentor recently suggested the Telstra Premiership be reduced to 20 rounds, with no NRL matches played during the Origin period – a concept also backed by Penrith General Manager Phil Gould.

It is likely Dragons coach Paul McGregor would also support Origin being confined to a period free of NRL matches to minimise the disruption to teams.
 

mxlegend99

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https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/07/16...r-club-coaches-during-state-of-origin-window/

Familiarity - not fatigue - the problem for club coaches during Origin


Penrith's slide from the top of the NRL ladder to fifth place and consecutive losses by St George Illawarra have strengthened calls for State of Origin to be played as back-to-back fixtures while the Telstra Premiership takes a break.

Familiarity - not fatigue - is the main reason the Dragons and Panthers have struggled during the Origin period, as their NSW and Queensland stars have been available for training on just a handful of occasions since the teams for the series opener were announced on Monday, May 28.

At that stage, Penrith and St George Illawarra were at the head of the competition ladder, with the Dragons surrendering the outright lead after losing their round 12 clash with the Panthers just two days earlier.

In the six weeks since, Origin stars Ben Hunt, Tyson Frizell, Paul Vaughan, Jack de Belin and Tariq Sims have attended Dragons training just five times and four of those were sessions were captain's runs the day before a game. That comprised of 30 minutes of light running with little defensive work.

It is a similar story at Penrith, who have lost three of their five matches in the six weeks since Nathan Cleary, James Maloney, Tyrone Peachey and Reagan Campbell-Gillard were chosen in the Blues team for Origin I.

St George Illawarra have lost their past two matches to Melbourne and Wests Tigers after two-point wins over bottom of the table Parramatta and Canterbury, and a 32-8 defeat of Manly in round 15.

Image

In comparison, Melbourne have come through the Origin period without losing a match for the first time in the club's 20-year history and are now second. There is no doubt the Storm benefited from Cameron Smith's sudden representative retirement.

South Sydney, who had four players involved in Origin this season, also won all five of their matches. On Saturday they claimed the outright lead of the competition after recording a ninth consecutive with a 24-6 defeat of the Bulldogs.

While many believe the main impact of high Origin representation on clubs is the fatigue suffered by the Blues and Maroons players, coaches complain about the disruption to their preparation for matches.

The Dragons are a team whose rise this season was built around extensive repetition and practice, along with the familiarity of a squad which barely changed until Origin.

So far this season, St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor has used just 23 players in 17 matches, including five rookies who played in the 52-30 loss to the Storm. That places them alongside Canberra - who has also used just 23 - as the club's to have made the lowest number of changes.

Of the other teams in the top eight, the Rabbitohs have used 24 players, while the Panthers, Sharks, Warriors and Broncos have each used 27 players and the Storm and Roosters have used 28.

Significantly, Penrith recorded a 36-4 win over the Warriors and the Broncos thrashed the Titans 34-0 in round 17 after preparing to play without their Origin stars. Both teams suffered defeats at full strength last weekend.

Roosters coach Trent Robinson decided to rest his NSW stars Boyd Cordner, James Tedesco and Latrell Mitchell, as well as Cooper Cronk, from Sunday night’s match against Gold Coast and blooded the rookies – Sean O'Sullivan, Paul Momirovski, Matt Ikuvalu and Poasa Faamausili - who had been training in their places.

O'Sullivan, Momirovski and Faamausili scored tries as the Roosters triumphed 20-12 to leapfrog the Panthers into the top four.

Robinson supports Brisbane coach Wayne Bennett's plan to establish June as State of Origin month and play the series as back-to-back games, with 10-day break between each.

The Roosters mentor recently suggested the Telstra Premiership be reduced to 20 rounds, with no NRL matches played during the Origin period – a concept also backed by Penrith General Manager Phil Gould.

It is likely Dragons coach Paul McGregor would also support Origin being confined to a period free of NRL matches to minimise the disruption to teams.
Say what...

Didnt realise our replacements are so good the 10 guys missing are out of our top 17 now
 

franklin2323

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Yep.

Clearys worst game ever is hard to pick as he has never been terrible. I missed the Titans game but have seen a lot of shit thrown at Taylor for his effort. Must have been a special game from him.

He was worse the week before but against that side the Roosters had on the park. Should of won easily
 

Matthew Ellis

Juniors
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Tommy Raudonikis said he loves James Maloney because he's plays so tough despite being small. I was thinking him rushing up to tackle big guys is such a rather crazy style. Usually a half would defend up behind the second rower and try to hold onto to the attacker so others can make the tackle. Instead of that Maloney leads our line speed for that side. Part of the reason our line speed is so great is because he rushed up and stalls them so the forwards have the time to come up with him.

In defense the real issue is his decision making. He'll sometimes commit to the wrong man but you have not be watching the game and just looking stats to see how much he puts his body on the line. How many current halves in the game go looking for a big hit when his side needs it?
 
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Tommy Raudonikis said he loves James Maloney because he's plays so tough despite being small. I was thinking him rushing up to tackle big guys is such a rather crazy style. Usually a half would defend up behind the second rower and try to hold onto to the attacker so others can make the tackle. Instead of that Maloney leads our line speed for that side. Part of the reason our line speed is so great is because he rushed up and stalls them so the forwards have the time to come up with him.

In defense the real issue is his decision making. He'll sometimes commit to the wrong man but you have not be watching the game and just looking stats to see how much he puts his body on the line. How many current halves in the game go looking for a big hit when his side needs it?
We'd be 100x better off if he held his spot in the line
 

Sime_11

Juniors
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Disagree. We play best when our line speed is at it's most aggressive.

this x 100 = our defence was much more intimidating early in the season - we've missed it with RCG, his influence spurred on the rest of the group. it was no fluke we've had a couple games this year where we haven't conceded a try in the game.
 
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Disagree. We play best when our line speed is at it's most aggressive.
The whole line needs move up then. Out wide is different to the middle and someone like RCG is looking to put a shot on. Jimmy keeps sprinting out by himself and Melbourne will score 5-6 tries down his side.
 

betcats

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this x 100 = our defence was much more intimidating early in the season - we've missed it with RCG, his influence spurred on the rest of the group. it was no fluke we've had a couple games this year where we haven't conceded a try in the game.

Yeah we really miss RCG in the middle leading that defensive line.
 

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