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Gronk

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I may be wrong but I thought every house would get connected (as in, cabling right down to the house) which is part of the reason why it is so expensive?

Yes, I was talking about the haters who don't want it and are "happy" with their existing connection speeds. They no doubt will tell the roll out installers to go straight by their house
 

Casper The Ghost

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The race-car driver picked up a girl after a race, went home with her and took her to bed. He fell asleep only to be awakened suddenly when she smacked him in the face.

"What's the matter! Didn't I satisfy you when we screwed?" he asked.

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Casper The Ghost

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Briefly, in Rural Bowral we're paying Westnet $90.00 p/m for land line rental, voip (local, interstate & international telephone calls made over the internet) and 200 gb internet at 1.5mhz download speed & 250mhz upload. For a family of 6, including mobile calls our all up monthly charges vacillate around $110.00 to $120.00 p/m.
 

mickdo

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Briefly, in Rural Bowral we're paying Westnet $90.00 p/m for land line rental, voip (local, interstate & international telephone calls made over the internet) and 200 gb internet at 1.5mhz download speed & 250mhz upload. For a family of 6, including mobile calls our all up monthly charges vacillate around $110.00 to $120.00 p/m.

The standard Westnet NBN-2 plan would give you 200G at 12Mbps down / 1Mbps up (i.e. 10 times faster than what you have now), and with VOIP added it would only cost $70/month. If you wanted to go 100 times faster than what you have now it would cost $90/month.

http://www.westnet.com.au/nbn/
 

Casper The Ghost

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The standard Westnet NBN-2 plan would give you 200G at 12Mbps down / 1Mbps up (i.e. 10 times faster than what you have now), and with VOIP added it would only cost $70/month. If you wanted to go 100 times faster than what you have now it would cost $90/month.

http://www.westnet.com.au/nbn/

Bar wireless which we don't want to use, is unreliable, ADSL 2 through landlines, are not available out here yet.
We would instantly go for it, standard Westnet NBN-2 plan, Mickdo, if it was available here in Bowral.
 

JoeyJoJo83

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Although FTTP may not be needed now and many people may find it a waste of money because "I already have fast Internet", the fact remains it will be required in 10 20 years in the future. Question is do we wait 15 years to say yep we need it now and then wait another 10 years for it to be fully introduced thus lagging behind the rest of the world. Or do we introduce it now while we have a service that is sufficient to meet our day to day needs thus future proofing ourselves for the next 50 years? When the Harbor Bridge was being built in the 1920's they built it with 6 lanes of road traffic, they could have easily gone ahead and built this with 2 lanes of road traffic as it would have been sufficient and would have cut costs then.

With the way the Internet has evolved it has become more then just a place where we can view websites and download porn and it will continue to evolve to the point our infrastructure can not handle the new technology.
 

Noise

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Although FTTP may not be needed now and many people may find it a waste of money because "I already have fast Internet", the fact remains it will be required in 10 20 years in the future. Question is do we wait 15 years to say yep we need it now and then wait another 10 years for it to be fully introduced thus lagging behind the rest of the world. Or do we introduce it now while we have a service that is sufficient to meet our day to day needs thus future proofing ourselves for the next 50 years? When the Harbor Bridge was being built in the 1920's they built it with 6 lanes of road traffic, they could have easily gone ahead and built this with 2 lanes of road traffic as it would have been sufficient and would have cut costs then.

With the way the Internet has evolved it has become more then just a place where we can view websites and download porn
and it will continue to evolve to the point our infrastructure can not handle the new technology.

Im yet to use it for anything else:eek:
 

mickdo

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Bar wireless which we don't want to use, is unreliable, ADSL 2 through landlines, are not available out here yet.
We would instantly go for it, standard Westnet NBN-2 plan, Mickdo, if it was available here in Bowral.

Probably won't be for a year or two. I think Kiama and Wollongong are getting installs at the moment.
 

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If someone had told me yesterday that while chasing 241, Warner would top score with 123 not out and we would lose, I would have told them they were nuts.

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With the way the Internet has evolved it has become more then just a place where we can view websites and download porn and it will continue to evolve to the point our infrastructure can not handle the new technology.

With the way the internet is evolving we'll want mobile services and not landlocked infrastructure (apart from a backbone).
 

strider

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With the way the internet is evolving we'll want mobile services and not landlocked infrastructure (apart from a backbone).
that's where maccas' free wifi comes in handy ... as long as we have fast internet infrastructure to maccas we are all set - clearly the govt should have made maccas foot the bill
 

Gronk

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With the way the internet is evolving we'll want mobile services and not landlocked infrastructure (apart from a backbone).

Once the cable is in the ground, it will be able to cope with huge increases in bandwidth and speed, beyond what we can imagine even today.

If you go and spend 1/2 of the NBN spend ($25b) on a wireless network it could be obsolete within a very short time and require further investment.

So cable is future proof as it only required upgrades at each end of the cable (upstream and downstream). A wireless network however will require significant investment in technology all over the country and it will need to be upgraded. There is also a problem with the speed of wireless as the further you are away from the transmitter, the weaker the signal or speed you get.
 

Suitman

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Once the cable is in the ground, it will be able to cope with huge increases in bandwidth and speed, beyond what we can imagine even today.

If you go and spend 1/2 of the NBN spend ($25b) on a wireless network it could be obsolete within a very short time and require further investment.

So cable is future proof as it only required upgrades at each end of the cable (upstream and downstream). A wireless network however will require significant investment in technology all over the country and it will need to be upgraded. There is also a problem with the speed of wireless as the further you are away from the transmitter, the weaker the signal or speed you get.

f**k law.
You should have majored in IT.

Suity
 
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With the way the internet is evolving we'll want mobile services and not landlocked infrastructure (apart from a backbone).

Once the cable is in the ground, it will be able to cope with huge increases in bandwidth and speed, beyond what we can imagine even today.

If you go and spend 1/2 of the NBN spend ($25b) on a wireless network it could be obsolete within a very short time and require further investment.

So cable is future proof as it only required upgrades at each end of the cable (upstream and downstream). A wireless network however will require significant investment in technology all over the country and it will need to be upgraded. There is also a problem with the speed of wireless as the further you are away from the transmitter, the weaker the signal or speed you get.

And here is the next scoop for those pushing the wireless barrow.

Wireless providers (as in 3G networks) are already looking for off load to WiFi networks. In places were 3G devices like smart phones and Tablet PCs are common like say California. The Wireless providers (AT&T, Sprint and Verizon) are now investing in base station technologies backed up by Fibre to off load the amount of Wireless data being used, because even if they built a new tower ever 1 KM, the "air" is getting to congested with signal. Now that is for a high area of usage, but the first one to show the nature of the problem. There is only so much spectrum in the air, to many signals means no one gets the signal. 4G (3.5 actually called LTE) is the next step and uses a different spectrum but still will attenuate as people migrate to that as well so the problem only has a few years on wireless before it returns. Less if the amount of devices escalates as it has in the last few years.



While we all want wireless, it has to have a base station, and a national network for that is required. Even if we all get our own wireless base stations in the house with 3G cell ability, it still needs a back haul, that is why you use Fibre.

Also the fact that they use the name "broadband" throws people off into thinking it is Internet services only. If I renamed the current copper wire telephone system the NNN (National Narrow band Network), you could see that the connectivity can be used for many things.

I am currently connected to Optus via Coaxial Cable (the Hybrid Fibre Coaxial Network), that will be replaced by the NBN as is part of the contract with Optus. Even that network attenuates when used heavily because it is sharing the same cable and slicing off the network frequency to users (all users receive the message). That network as it is currently used is starting to have issues meaning no room for expansion.

The NBN will mean, my Internet, my Phone and more importantly my Subscription TV will all be coming to me via one small Fibre Optic cable, and not 3 larger Coaxial Cables.

How much did it cost to roll out the Telephone network. How long did it take? Was their a cost benefit analysis of that? This is the communications infrastructure network for the next century. Pure and simple.
 

Suitman

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And here is the next scoop for those pushing the wireless barrow.

Wireless providers (as in 3G networks) are already looking for off load to WiFi networks. In places were 3G devices like smart phones and Tablet PCs are common like say California. The Wireless providers (AT&T, Sprint and Verizon) are now investing in base station technologies backed up by Fibre to off load the amount of Wireless data being used, because even if they built a new tower ever 1 KM, the "air" is getting to congested with signal. Now that is for a high area of usage, but the first one to show the nature of the problem. There is only so much spectrum in the air, to many signals means no one gets the signal. 4G (3.5 actually called LTE) is the next step and uses a different spectrum but still will attenuate as people migrate to that as well so the problem only has a few years on wireless before it returns. Less if the amount of devices escalates as it has in the last few years.



While we all want wireless, it has to have a base station, and a national network for that is required. Even if we all get our own wireless base stations in the house with 3G cell ability, it still needs a back haul, that is why you use Fibre.

Also the fact that they use the name "broadband" throws people off into thinking it is Internet services only. If I renamed the current copper wire telephone system the NNN (National Narrow band Network), you could see that the connectivity can be used for many things.

I am currently connected to Optus via Coaxial Cable (the Hybrid Fibre Coaxial Network), that will be replaced by the NBN as is part of the contract with Optus. Even that network attenuates when used heavily because it is sharing the same cable and slicing off the network frequency to users (all users receive the message). That network as it is currently used is starting to have issues meaning no room for expansion.

The NBN will mean, my Internet, my Phone and more importantly my Subscription TV will all be coming to me via one small Fibre Optic cable, and not 3 larger Coaxial Cables.

How much did it cost to roll out the Telephone network. How long did it take? Was their a cost benefit analysis of that? This is the communications infrastructure network for the next century. Pure and simple.

Delboy doesn't need any of this stuff, so the Gillard Govt IS JUST CRAP.
As I said, this is the Snowy Mountains Scheme of the 21st Century.

Suity
 

strider

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even optus are already offering a service where you use your home wifi connection for mobile as it is likely to provide a better service than the usual mobile networks


re: cables .... who says they won't find something better than what they are laying now in 10-15 yrs time? .... copper cables were all the rage a while back - then they found something better .... technology is always being outdone - you invest today, it'll only last so long - no one knows what's around the corner, wireless or cable
 

Parra

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Oh what utter rubbish. 10 seconds on Google shows that the basic Internode NBN plan is $50/month, which is $10 less than their basic ADSL bundle plan. For the 300G plan it's $30 cheaper a month than the same ADSL plan.

You're the one who's bullshitting. Goes with the territory for NBN haters. You'd probably have us back using tin cans and a f**king piece of string.

http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/adsl_broadband/easy_bundle/


The NBN is touted for high speed access. Yet you quote prices from crippled access plans. We need high speed & unlimited downloads or the whole exercise is a was of time and money.

We are going to pay over $100 billion for this. Why pay through the nose to use it?

The evidence is in the "business" plan. The only way the NBN can get traction is to remove competing technology.

No-one is saying that a fibre network is technically unsound or that the speed potential is there.

What is being criticised is the waste of public money, the involvement of the government in an industry that has just been privatised and the lies that are told to continue to push this through. The removal of competitive options is appalling. Forcing people to pay and then forcing them to use it as well. It is every bit as bad as Sydney toll road construction where existing roads are blocked to force people to use the new toll road.

The technology and network should stand on it's own. The fact that it doesn't is proof that the business case fails. So we now have an ideological network. Something that no-one asked for.
 

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