Gillett sin bin

[Penrose Warrior]

Because one a decision is made you can't over turn it. A penalty has never been over turned unless prior foul play and I'd bet a lot of money a sin bin as never been over turned.

We go on and on about how bad the refs are and how we need black and white rules. In this instance we do. But now the ref should over turn it if he realises his mistake within 15 seconds and the player hasn't left the field yet.

The ref f**ked up royally, he thought a tackle had been made when it wasn't. He apologised for his mistake and the broncos players were quite happy to blow it off post game. Introducing new rules that bring in even more grey area isn't the answer. Nor is being able to break the rules if you know you got one wrong.

Bullshit. It was so clearly wrong, and he could be 100% sure of that. His touchies would've told him, anyone could've told him. And it wouldn't have wasted any time to do it.

The Broncos were happy to blow it off because they won. What if they didn't, they beat the Storm next week and 2 points separates them from finals? They'd be saying why the f**k didn't the call get changed?

It takes a big man to admit a mistake and act on it. Cummins was a weak, small man last night. He could've potentially made a massive call and won back the hearts of a lot of fans who feel like refs are so out of touch with reality and the rights/wrongs of the game. He chose not to.

The game suffers because refs hunt as a pack, we have this stupid 'I think it's a try/no-try' crap where they side with each other when they should just make a f**kin call for themselves based on the most information anyone is going to get short of DNA on the goalline.

Every single person at the ground last night knew the wrong call was made. Every. single. one. Even as Gillett walked not 20m from Cummins. So it had to be reversed.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Penalties can't be overturned unless prior foul play the ref didn't know about.

Tries aren't awarded and over turned. That would never have happened in history (except in my u14b's grand final, almost cost us the game).

If it's such a big deal then change the rules, but deliberately ignoring rules because you made a mistake turns the game into a farce.

Tries aren't awarded then overturned?? You sure now?

Thousands of decisions have been overturned on advice of the touch judge over hundreds of years. This should have been as well. But no one had the stones to do it.

There doesn't need to be a new rule. Just if you're a pocket ref (who apparently knew what had gone on, according to another poster) or a touchie, come in and say you've made a mistake, that needs to be rectified. It's a glaring, awful error that takes no time to fix. Do it. It's a very rare example.

 

[souths_pride]

The ref f**ked up royally, he thought a tackle had been made when it wasn't. He apologised for his mistake and the broncos players were quite happy to blow it off post game. Introducing new rules that bring in even more grey area isn't the answer. Nor is being able to break the rules if you know you got one wrong.

I like your post. I would be focusing on the refereeing performance rather than changing the rules. I think we need to have a better system in place where referees are promoted and dropped based on their performances, similar to the way players are evaluated by their respective coaches after games; if player has too many ordinary games he gets dropped and a player playing reserve grade comes in for him! I think the same should happen for referees. That's not to say that I expect referees to get every single decision right; nobody's perfect. However, the referees are getting far too many decisions wrong at the moment and there needs to be a bit more accountability on their part.

 

[ek999]

And yet they can signal a goal line drop out, have the kicking team f**k around until a replay is shown, and then have the video referee overrule the decision and give them a 20m restart.

There needs to be some consistency. If the referee can't change his mind about putting someone in the bin because of a mistake he made, then why should the video ref be able to intervene at other points of the game and overrule the on-field referees?

Just bring on the captain's challenge and let that sort out refereeing errors for f**ks sake.

Captains challenge wouldn't help in this case though because it is a discretionary call

 

[cleary89]

Bullshit. It was so clearly wrong, and he could be 100% sure of that. His touchies would've told him, anyone could've told him. And it wouldn't have wasted any time to do it.

The Broncos were happy to blow it off because they won. What if they didn't, they beat the Storm next week and 2 points separates them from finals? They'd be saying why the f**k didn't the call get changed?

It takes a big man to admit a mistake and act on it. Cummins was a weak, small man last night. He could've potentially made a massive call and won back the hearts of a lot of fans who feel like refs are so out of touch with reality and the rights/wrongs of the game. He chose not to.

The game suffers because refs hunt as a pack, we have this stupid 'I think it's a try/no-try' crap where they side with each other when they should just make a f**kin call for themselves based on the most information anyone is going to get short of DNA on the goalline.

Every single person at the ground last night knew the wrong call was made. Every. single. one. Even as Gillett walked not 20m from Cummins. So it had to be reversed.

It can't be reversed idiot

 

[souths_pride]

Bullshit. It was so clearly wrong, and he could be 100% sure of that. His touchies would've told him, anyone could've told him. And it wouldn't have wasted any time to do it.

The Broncos were happy to blow it off because they won. What if they didn't, they beat the Storm next week and 2 points separates them from finals? They'd be saying why the f**k didn't the call get changed?

It takes a big man to admit a mistake and act on it. Cummins was a weak, small man last night. He could've potentially made a massive call and won back the hearts of a lot of fans who feel like refs are so out of touch with reality and the rights/wrongs of the game. He chose not to.

The game suffers because refs hunt as a pack, we have this stupid 'I think it's a try/no-try' crap where they side with each other when they should just make a f**kin call for themselves based on the most information anyone is going to get short of DNA on the goalline.

Every single person at the ground last night knew the wrong call was made. Every. single. one. Even as Gillett walked not 20m from Cummins. So it had to be reversed.

The thing is though your setting a dangerous precedent for future sin binnings. If we allow these things to be overturned then every time there's a sin bin your going to get captain who don't mind having a chat with the referee (i.e. Ennis, Smith etc) getting in the referees face and asking him to have a look or overturn it.

 

[cleary89]

Tries aren't awarded then overturned?? You sure now?

Thousands of decisions have been overturned on advice of the touch judge over hundreds of years. This should have been as well. But no one had the stones to do it.

There doesn't need to be a new rule. Just if you're a pocket ref (who apparently knew what had gone on, according to another poster) or a touchie, come in and say you've made a mistake, that needs to be rectified. It's a glaring, awful error that takes no time to fix. Do it. It's a very rare example.

Of course, why do you think one of the first things a referee is trained to do is look at his touchies before awarding a try? Because it can't be reversed.

Go read rule 16.9. Obviously there does need to be a new rule if that's what you think needs to happen.

There are times when a referee blows his whistle and waits for the pocket ref or touchy to give him the info on whether it was a strip or not. He can't blow a penalty then change his mind to a knock on, nor can he award a try and then cancel it. If you think they can and have, I'd love you to show just one instance of it.

 

[Crazy Steve]

Still not as bad as Gavin Badger sending Jared Warea-Hargreaves for 10mins for correctly pointing out to him that a newcastle pass was F@#cking forward.

Badger is still the worst ref in the NRL, but Cummins gave him a good run for his money last week.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Of course, why do you think one of the first things a referee is trained to do is look at his touchies before awarding a try? Because it can't be reversed.

Go read rule 16.9. Obviously there does need to be a new rule if that's what you think needs to happen.

There are times when a referee blows his whistle and waits for the pocket ref or touchy to give him the info on whether it was a strip or not. He can't blow a penalty then change his mind to a knock on, nor can he award a try and then cancel it. If you think they can and have, I'd love you to show just one instance of it.

So you're telling me,if the pocket ref/touchie had come over and said Ben you've got this wrong I can absolutely assure you...that there is no power under the rules to action that? If so, that is wrong.

Again, it's not setting a precedent. It's just a situation where there is no grey area, it's a blatantly awful decision that everyone else, including Cummins himself, knew was wrong virtually straight away.

 

[souths_pride]

Still not as bad as Gavin Badger sending Jared Warea-Hargreaves for 10mins for correctly pointing out to him that a newcastle pass was F@#cking forward.

Badger is still the worst ref in the NRL, but Cummins gave him a good run for his money last week.

Actually you know what I think Cummins actually has form with this sort of thing! Wasn't he the referee sent either Chris Sandow or another Souths player to the bin in a game against Parramatta a few years back and it ended up being the wrong player? From memory, when the players all pointed out that he had sent the wrong player to bin, all he remarked was "I don't care! Someone's gotta go!" I think he was dropped from the following weeks fixtures after that.

 

[souths_pride]

So you're telling me,if the pocket ref/touchie had come over and said Ben you've got this wrong I can absolutely assure you...that there is no power under the rules to action that? If so, that is wrong.

Again, it's not setting a precedent. It's just a situation where there is no grey area, it's a blatantly awful decision that everyone else, including Cummins himself, knew was wrong virtually straight away.

I can't ever remember it happening before. It is setting a precedent because in future games players are going to run to the referee screaming "your wrong, check it!" and the game is going to stop. Like I just pointed out, this is not the first time Ben Cummins has made this sort of mistake. In the Souths vs Parra game from a few years back, he sent the wrong player to the sin bin and that wasn't overturned!

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Actually you know what I think Cummins actually has form with this sort of thing! Wasn't he the referee sent either Chris Sandow or another Souths player to the bin in a game against Parramatta a few years back and it ended up being the wrong player? From memory, when the players all pointed out that he had sent the wrong player to bin, all he remarked was "I don't care! Someone's gotta go!" I think he was dropped from the following weeks fixtures after that.

Faalogo v Bwaith, when he binned Bwaith for getting cracked across the chops.

 

[souths_pride]

Faalogo v Bwaith, when he binned Bwaith for getting cracked across the chops.

F*** me! This guy is a loose cannon when it comes to using the sin bin!

 

[Sleep]

They need to just say players can't talk to refs. If they're so eager to copy the NFL model that's the number one thing they do.

No amount of crying the players will do will change the decision and you get all these fools now wasting time. We pay to watch League. Not a captain cry about how hard his team is being done by.

Nothing worse than seeing a grown man whinging to a ref like they just told him he wasn't getting any ice cream after dinner. It's embarrassing. No need to explain the rules. Everyone knows them. Get on with it.

 

[souths_pride]

They need to just say players can't talk to refs. If they're so eager to copy the NFL model that's the number one thing they do.

No amount of crying the players will do will change the decision and you get all these fools now wasting time. We pay to watch League. Not a captain cry about how hard his team is being done by.

Nothing worse than seeing a grown man whinging to a ref like they just told him he wasn't getting any ice cream after dinner. It's embarrassing. No need to explain the rules. Everyone knows them. Get on with it.

Great Post! Now apply for the position of CEO of the NRL!

 

[cleary89]

Faalogo v Bwaith, when he binned Bwaith for getting cracked across the chops.

He didn't bin Braith. He binned Faalogo, but the penalty couldn't be changed because braith committed the first infringement.

 

[big hit!]

They scored a knock on try like 10 seconds later.. he could work harder.

this is an absolute blight on the NRL.

4 f**king officials on the field and they need to check each and every aspect (ex forward passes) of the play leading to a try which just kills the game for minutes. yet they need to introduce messy 40-20 taps and turn scrums into something resembling a 4am group hug after a night on the turps to try and quicken the game in other areas.

with tries, the crowd cheers because they maybe scored a try, but then you gotta wait for the BS like the faintest of touches, or no touches on super slow mos etc before you can be sure.

why not get the merkins to play in super slow FFS.

i don't even get out of the seat when a player crosses the try line any more. what's the point? not even as many plays leading to NFL touchdowns are scrutinised this way. actually barely any are unless it's to adjudicate whether the ball carrier broke the plane on running plays where the defensive line holds him up, or whether the receiver caught the ball in bounds. on 90% of TDs, the ref puts his arms in the air and the game moves on.

technology makes morons out of everyone in daily life. just walk and drive around to see it.

and it's making morons out of the NRL too.

 

[souths_pride]

He didn't bin Braith. He binned Faalogo, but the penalty couldn't be changed because braith committed the first infringement.

I think what can happen is that if a player reacts in a violent manner, even if he does have the penalty, it can be reversed. On that occasion I think the penalty should have been reversed and given to the Roosters!

 

[cleary89]

So what are you whinging about? The video ref? Because everyone else in this thread seems to be whinging that the video ref isn't used more to over rule other decisions which he can't.

 

[CC_Roosters]

Just human error imo and he was man enough to apologies to the broncos. Maybe their needs to be a mechanism where if the referee realises a decision was a mistake he stop the game andcan refer it back to the video ref or future bunker.

I still want to see the sin bin utilised a lot more especially repeat offences, high tackles and chat to the referee that goes to far, i.e thursday night.

I also don't particularly like the captains challenge idea but it would have perfect to rectify last nights decision