Gold Coast Bears/Nth Sydney/Gosford

[Stallion]

The Nrl comps great only because of the Sydney clubs? Do you actually read what you write? If it wasn’t for the teams outside of Sydney it would just be a local comp. The clubs outside of Sydney give the Nrl credibility not the other way around. The qld origin team also says hello. Imagine the quality of football if there was 2-4 more 100 yr old foundation qld teams. Probably a couple more immortals.

Apart from your Sydneycentric love fest, the reason you think more Sydney clubs is the answer is because Sydney clubs are hopeless at engaging there fan base.

What I’m still trying to work out and get a answer from you is how do you see the bears wrestling the central coast back off the roosters? The roosters won’t just give it to them. By the end of this new tv deal the roosters would of been there longer than the bears back in there day. If the bears do miraculously get the cc back, there would be kids jilted that the roosters aren’t there. At some point people need to let bygones be bygones. And bears supporters need to forget about central coast. It’s roosters area now. The bears need to focus on there own local area more first anyway. Tap into the NS business district.

This is what is being sadly missed in this whole discussion. If you are not willing to acknowledge that the Sydney club competition 'spawned' the NRL then we dont need to discuss anything further . As the Sydney based clubs are the core of this competition. So you honestly think that the AFL are going to disect and cull foundation Melbourne based clubs to allow for some flawed logic that these clubs are not recognisable, familiar and popular? No the AFL are aware of the cultural and widespread significance and support of such clubs. They will not be ridding the basis and core of their competition. But if the NRL go down the path of reducing rugby league's top flight clubs in Australia's largest city then the competition will lose massive credibility and generational support. And that’s the advantage the Sydney based clubs give the NRL. Like it or not it's reality. And if the destructionist path of imploding is followed watch the code fall like a deck of cards into the future.

 

[Stallion]

Prove it!

Or at least make a reasonable argument, cause I can tell you right now for a fact that at least Nine has said that the Broncos and Storm individually are bringing in a huge part of the TV rights value, more probably more then 5-6 or so Sydney clubs put together, and it makes complete commercial sense that they would think and say something like that, though I couldn't source the quote cause it's ancient and I can't remember which paper it was in let alone who the writer was or which article it's in at this point.

I don't want to even guess how much sponsorship values jump just for having them in the comp and the direct exposure they bring by being in the Melbourne and Brisbane market.

The sooner you realise that broadcasters, sponsors, corporates, etc, don't give a flying f##k about how old a club is or who they are and only care about the exposure that they bring, ratings, clicks, etc, etc, the better...

I'll prove it for you with an analogy : A family had rich grand parents. As the family grew as time went on the family's kids moved onto other places to make their own little families. Everything seemed to be going along fine and all the kids families were getting along well and were making their own way with the knowledge they had backbone support from the grandparents. However the last family gathering the grandparents were not respected and valued like they should have been. The grandparents soon passed away and the inheritance went to the government. The extended families were bitter with greed and infighting prevailed. They no longer speak and meet with eachother. The family is no more.

 

[Stallion]

Just for the record the disrespect for the foundation clubs of this great competition is astounding. The contributors that cannot see the value these Sydney clubs bring to this competition are ignorant of cultural, generational and sporting rivalry significance. You tamper with that you rid your competition of its legitimacy and long earnt notoriety. If you cannot see that then continue on imploding the most watched and highly patronised rugby competition in the world. Those whom refer to other cities and their tv audiene are correct but none of this tv audience would exist if it were not for the existence of the foundation Sydney clubs. They (Sydney clubs) bring credibility and historical significance to the NRL which is sadly and mistakenly been forgotten by your ignorant comments. Oh well everyone to their own. All I can summate is that your disrespect is dissappointing and reckless.

 

[Stallion]

The Nrl comps great only because of the Sydney clubs? Do you actually read what you write? If it wasn’t for the teams outside of Sydney it would just be a local comp. The clubs outside of Sydney give the Nrl credibility not the other way around. The qld origin team also says hello. Imagine the quality of football if there was 2-4 more 100 yr old foundation qld teams. Probably a couple more immortals.

Apart from your Sydneycentric love fest, the reason you think more Sydney clubs is the answer is because Sydney clubs are hopeless at engaging there fan base.

What I’m still trying to work out and get a answer from you is how do you see the bears wrestling the central coast back off the roosters? The roosters won’t just give it to them. By the end of this new tv deal the roosters would of been there longer than the bears back in there day. If the bears do miraculously get the cc back, there would be kids jilted that the roosters aren’t there. At some point people need to let bygones be bygones. And bears supporters need to forget about central coast. It’s roosters area now. The bears need to focus on there own local area more first anyway. Tap into the NS business district.

The NRL's whole existence relates and originates from the Sydney rugby-league competition . Are you aware of that?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

This is what is being sadky missed in this whole discussion. If you sre not willing to acknowledge thstvthe Sydney club competition 'spawned' the NRL then we dont need to talk discuss anything further . As the Sydney based clubs are the core of this competition. So you honestly think that the AFL are going to disect and cull fiundation Melbourne based clubs to allow fir some flawed logic that these clubs are not recognisable, familiar and popular? No the AFL are aware of the cultural and widespread significance and support of such ckubs. They will not be ridding the basis and core of their competition. But if the NRL go down the path of reducing rugby league's top in Australia's largest city then the competition will lose massive credibility and generational support. And that’s the sdvantage the Sydney based clubs give the NRL. Like it or not its reality. And if the destructionist path of imploding is followed watch the code fall like a deck of cards into the future.

I’m more than happy to admit that the rise of the ARL was spawned from the nswrl. (Even though it was at the demise of qrl) But the NRL has been created by all the clubs outside of nsw. Don’t you forget that!!!!!!!!!

Your biased bears views wreaks of favoritism and any argument you have can be easily shut down by a logical common sense approach. The Nrl aren’t reducing anything. They would be increasing reach into new areas and improving the heartland areas if brisbane 2 and Perth were chosen first.

In my opinion the current Sydney clubs need to engage there fan base a lot more and not by having more teams. No more teams in nsw until long term increased engagement has been achieved. This includes the roosters local area and THERE Central coast region. If the bears don’t realize this they will always languish in the second tier comp. I like the bears history and they could play a part in the Nrl but Sydney is full.

You talk about the Afl like they are god. I’m sure foundation clubs like Fitzroy and south Melbourne fans didn’t like being moved to Brisbane and Sydney? But that has generally been a success. Sydney has 2 afl teams now and apparently if you read the media reports, they have greater converage than the 184849595 x Sydney clubs. And like others have explained to you the afl have wanted other clubs to move for years.

Nothing you have said has made me change my mind about the north Sydney/adelaide bears. Roosters now have central coast, so no need to destroy a foundation club like the roosters and there new junior systems to elevate a team that’s been 20yrs in the abiss because they once spent 5yrs there.

Just remember it’s the National Rugby League not the Sydney Rugby League.

 

[Stallion]

I’m more than happy to admit that the rise of the ARL was spawned from the nswrl. (Even though it was at the demise of qrl) But the NRL has been created by all the clubs outside of nsw. Don’t you forget that!!!!!!!!!

Your biased bears views wreaks of favoritism and any argument you have can be easily shut down by a logical common sense approach. The Nrl aren’t reducing anything. They would be increasing reach into new areas and improving the heartland areas if brisbane 2 and Perth were chosen first.

In my opinion the current Sydney clubs need to engage there fan base a lot more and not by having more teams. No more teams in nsw until long term increased engagement has been achieved. This includes the roosters local area and THERE Central coast region. If the bears don’t realize this they will always languish in the second tier comp. I like the bears history and they could play a part in the Nrl but Sydney is full.

You talk about the Afl like they are god. I’m sure foundation clubs like Fitzroy and south Melbourne fans didn’t like being moved to Brisbane and Sydney? But that has generally been a success. Sydney has 2 afl teams now and apparently if you read the media reports, they have greater converage than the 184849595 x Sydney clubs. And like others have explained to you the afl have wanted other clubs to move for years.

Nothing you have said has made me change my mind about the north Sydney/adelaide bears. Roosters now have central coast, so no need to destroy a foundation club like the roosters and there new junior systems to elevate a team that’s been 20yrs in the abiss because they once spent 5yrs there.

Just remember it’s the National Rugby League not the Sydney Rugby League.

This is where we fundamentally dissagree. When you refer to Sydney, you are referring to three areas with big populations. These areas are called the Illawarra, Central Coast and Sydney metropolitan. A massive population base. The biggest in Australia. Discounting the areas with cities of Wollongong and Gosford is an omission that is significant. If Melbourne can accomodate 10 AFL teams as stand alone with their generational and widesptead recognition, surely the areas I have just referred to can easily sustain at least nine NRL clubs with a million more people at least in this area of Australia? Unfortunately people underestimate the historical and generational support of these clubs that are very much familiar to the Australian sporting psyche. They go and the code is weakened. My standpoint is I'm all for additional clubs for expansion as it increases the codes reach and worth but not at the expense of clubs that have established support and value. More yes . Imploding the code as a means to "expand" No. Why? Because the code goes nowhere. It goes backwards with disgruntled and disenchanted lost fans . With the clubs and expanding with new additional clubs in new areas? Fine. Go for it. No issues with that whatsoever. That's what I regard as progress without weakening the game at its roots.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I feel they can just fold the Titans and replace them with the CC Bears and they would offer so much more. The Gold Coast is sporting aids, every sporting franchise no matter what the sport is has failed there. The Titans can be replaced by Brisbane 2 or Central Queensland as Queensland would embrace those teams much more than the Titans.

Why would you get rid of the Titans? In the entire GC history since 1988, they have only gone broke once (and that was thanks to them trying to build a CoE right before the GFC).

Last season, they still crowds bigger than 6 of the Sydney clubs.

They really need to fix up a lot of their brand and public image, but the Titans in better shape than most Sydney clubs and they have WAY more potential for growth.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Pray tell? ! Why isn't Suncorp not suitable.Im sure they would use it to great advantage. In fact get crowds much bigger crowds than some other tenant codes and also equal if not more than the muchly detested Broncos.

Hahaha, so we cannot even THINK about moving a Sydney club one suburb over to a better stadium, but its fine for the Sunshine Coast team to play 2 hours away from the base?

You logic is stellar, mate...

And the compelling added value of the Central Coast Bears is twofold! Not only do they include the Central Coast region they also regain the 100000s Bears fans that are now lost to the code. Theirs also an increased player participation angle in both the Central Coast and North Sydney areas! I don't think any of your alternatives provide two markets. (One regained and one secured) Please note this is not say that Brisbane 2 (already in agreeance) and Perth are not in the picture either. Four more clubs are required and these will add value to this great but stagnant competition.

So the Bears covering 2 markets (Sydney and CC) = Fine
A current Sydney club expanding into a second market (Sydney and CC) = Terrible

 

[LeagueXIII]

That still hasn't answered the question of how you plan to grow the sport in Adelaide if you don't plan to invest anything into growing the sport there...

I think I explained my thoughts on Adelaide.

 

[Perth Red]

Every rugby league administration from the mid 80’s until the 2000’s knew there was too many Sydney clubs, that it was stunting expansion and that the league needed to be around 14 clubs. This administration knows it as well, they’re just too pss weak to publicly acknowledge it and now we no longer have any sembilence of an independent commision they never will. Nrl will reap what it sows.

Stallion take a look at the roaring success of the bbl, a sport traditionally with a poor spectator base for state cricket to see that you don’t need 100 year old clubs to be succesful!

 

[Perth Red]

I'll prove it for you with an analogy : A family had rich grand parents. As the family grew as time went on the family's kids moved onto other places to make their own little families. Everything seemed to be going along fine and all the kids families were getting along well and were making their own way with the knowledge they had backbone support from the grandparents. However the last family gathering the grandparents were not respected and valued like they should have been. The grandparents soon passed away and the inheritance went to the government. The extended families were bitter with greed and infighting prevailed. They no longer speak and meet with eachother. The family is no more.

And a real analogy of the nrl today

A family had rich grandparents. As the family grew the grand parents refused to let the kids move out. The house became more and more crowded and the grand parents had to squander their wealth supporting the kids as they couldn’t pay their own way due to being stuck in the small house. There were great opportunities for the grand kids to move out to create much greater family wealth but historically the family had always lived in the house and refused to leave it. Eventually the grand parents died in poverty and the kids became destitute!

In the mean time the family down the street refused to be held back by tradition and renovated their family home whilst supporting family members to exploit the rich opportunities that laid elsewhere.

 

[Stallion]

Every rugby league administration from the mid 80’s until the 2000’s knew there was too many Sydney clubs, that it was stunting expansion and that the league needed to be around 14 clubs. This administration knows it as well, they’re just too pss weak to publicly acknowledge it and now we no longer have any sembilence of an independent commision they never will. Nrl will reap what it sows.

Stallion take a look at the roaring success of the bbl, a sport traditionally with a poor spectator base for state cricket to see that you don’t need 100 year old clubs to be succesful!

Very different scenario the BBL PR! That was created to save cricket and it has! The rugby league clubs of Sydney and elsewhere have established market support already. A massive difference but the way your blinkered mind works can't see the generational and widespread fans of such clubs! Your failing not mine!

 

[Stallion]

And a real analogy of the nrl today

A family had rich grandparents. As the family grew the grand parents refused to let the kids move out. The house became more and more crowded and the grand parents had to squander their wealth supporting the kids as they couldn’t pay their own way due to being stuck in the small house. There were great opportunities for the grand kids to move out to create much greater family wealth but historically the family had always lived in the house and refused to leave it. Eventually the grand parents died in poverty and the kids became destitute!

In the mean time the family down the street refused to be held back by tradition and renovated their family home whilst supporting family members to exploit the rich opportunities that laid elsewhere.

You miss the most important point. The grandparents didn't mind the family spreading out! It was the lack of respect that lost the inheritance!

 

[Stallion]

Hahaha, so we cannot even THINK about moving a Sydney club one suburb over to a better stadium, but its fine for the Sunshine Coast team to play 2 hours away from the base?

You logic is stellar, mate...



So the Bears covering 2 markets (Sydney and CC) = Fine
A current Sydney club expanding into a second market (Sydney and CC) = Terrible

Yes. Thats right. You gain back lost support with the Bears coming back in the Central Coast and North Sydney. The other scenario will not gain back fans and will piss off alot as well.

 

[colly]

This is where we fundamentally dissagree. When you refer to Sydney, you are referring to three areas with big populations. These areas are called the Illawarra, Central Coast and Sydney metropolitan. A massive population base. The biggest in Australia. Discounting the areas with cities of Wollongong and Gosford is an omission that is significant. If Melbourne can accomodate 10 AFL teams as stand alone with theur generational and widesptead recognition, surely the areas I have just referred to can easily sustain at least nine NRL clubs with a million more people at least in this area of Australia? Unfortunately people underestimate the historical and generational support of these clubs that are very much familiar to the Australian sporting psyche. They go and the code is weakened. My standpoint is Im all for additional clubs for expansion as it increases the codes reach and worth but not at the expense of clubs that have established support and value. More yes . Imploding the code as a means to "expand" No. Why? Because the code goes nowhere. It goes backwards with disgruntled and disenchanted lost fans . With the clubs and expanding with new additional clubs in new areas? Fine. Go for it. No issues with that whatsoever. Thats what I regard as progress without weakening the game at its roots.

Yes Sydney and it surrounds has 6 million population it could survive and get a v/good media deal if they went alone. Don't Worry Take Perth Red, I quite like it that he will NEVER get a team. Like how old is he, his fading breath, Pirrrrrrrrratess Oh LU you f**ked me again.
Same with Dr, The billion dollar TV networks and media aren't in brizzy the Sydney teams will still be here when the Dr is no longer in da house 100% ha ha he he

 

[Stallion]

Yes Sydney and it surrounds has 6 million population it could survive and get a v/good media deal if they went alone. Don't Worry Take Perth Red, I quite like it that he will NEVER get a team. Like how old is he, his fading breath, Pirrrrrrrrratess Oh LU you f**ked me again.
Same with Dr, The billion dollar TV networks and media aren't in brizzy the Sydney teams will still be here when the Dr is no longer in da house 100% ha ha he he

Agree that Sydney clubs have been massively underestimated in this whole discourse by the destructionist lobby. But in stating that I am ok with a WA franchise and another Brisbane added to the competition . Im also ok with the Bears getting resurrected with the North Sydney district and supporters having actop flight presence on the Central Coast. And their we have 3 logical expansion clubs without destroying the fabric and integrity of this great comp?! No implosion necessary along with positive growth adding significant value to the best domestic rugby competition in the world!

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Yes Sydney and it surrounds has 6 million population it could survive and get a v/good media deal if they went alone. Don't Worry Take Perth Red, I quite like it that he will NEVER get a team. Like how old is he, his fading breath, Pirrrrrrrrratess Oh LU you f**ked me again.
Same with Dr, The billion dollar TV networks and media aren't in brizzy the Sydney teams will still be here when the Dr is no longer in da house 100% ha ha he he

Can someone take the bag off goon of colly.

Agree that Sydney clubs have been massively underestimated in this whole discourse by the destructionist lobby. But in stating that I am ok with a WA franchise and another Brisbane added to the competition . Im also ok with the Bears getting resurrected with the North Sydney district and supporters having actop flight presence on the Central Coast. And their we have 3 logical expansion clubs without destroying the fabric and integrity of this great comp?! No implosion necessary along with positive growth adding significant value to the best domestic rugby competition in the world!

I think you overstate the impact of Sydney clubs. But I’m happy to disagree on that point. If for whatever reason the bears were added after Perth and Brisbane 2 and then a Sydney club went under? What do you propose should happen? Just curious?

 

[Perth Red]

Agree that Sydney clubs have been massively underestimated in this whole discourse by the destructionist lobby. But in stating that I am ok with a WA franchise and another Brisbane added to the competition . Im also ok with the Bears getting resurrected with the North Sydney district and supporters having actop flight presence on the Central Coast. And their we have 3 logical expansion clubs without destroying the fabric and integrity of this great comp?! No implosion necessary along with positive growth adding significant value to the best domestic rugby competition in the world!

Where’s the $45mill extra revenue needed a year coming from to pay for these3 clubs?

 

[Stallion]

Can someone take the bag off goon of colly.



I think you overstate the impact of Sydney clubs. But I’m happy to disagree on that point. If for whatever reason the bears were added after Perth and Brisbane 2 and then a Sydney club went under? What do you propose should happen? Just curious?

Amazingly innept and negative response. Lets get this clear we are including three well populated (one the biggest in OZ) regions not one! We are looking at an area which is both geographically expansive and with a population that is at least a million people more than the population in Melbourne/Geelong! And you still talk of imploding the core of the already damaged Sydney clubs (with surrounds included) base of this competition?!! Absolutely reckless and ignorant! And you can't count or compare!

 

[Stallion]

Where’s the $45mill extra revenue needed a year coming from to pay for these3 clubs?

Thats the difference between the positive and realistic people and the destructionist/no idea lobby: these clubs would easily generate extra value and income. Although the WA franchise may need some extra formative development. The other two areas are already rugby league established areas crying out for a top flight club! Is that what the pioneers of the code stated when they started this breakaway and popular football competition in 1908? No they were of the mind "Lets do this ! These union people aren't doing the players or the fans any favours! Let's get a better and more lucrative game of rugby happening! A rugby league! " And they did. Sure their was some backing from prudent business people and the same can easily be generated in anticipation of at least two more clubs that are adding value/fans and viewership to this great competition which has stagnated due to poor administrators that have been sitting on their hands and missappropriating funds.