Haddin

[snoozer]

prediction - haddin will drop at least one catch and let through 20 byes in perth.

anyone?

 

[Chip Bayless]

I am not up for death riding any Australian representative in any sport snoozer. If anything, Brad Haddin will turn in a really good performance after the last couple of Tests where I am sure he is well aware he could do better with gloves and bat.

 

[B-Tron 3000]

I am not up for death riding any Australian representative in any sport snoozer.

Are you sure the internet is the right place for you?

 

[Chip Bayless]

Are you sure the internet is the right place for you?

:lol: Funny you said that. I got a PM or two saying the same thing!

I guess despite being a fan of Haddin who is asking for his retirement effective immediately after this series from the Test team, I won't partake in cheering for or predicting failure. Haddin is a very good keeper/batsmen. I just think his time is up (for reasons said earlier).

Where would Haddin rank if hypothetically there was no Adam Gilchrist for example? Better batter than Marsh and Healy, lesser keeper though the two greats who both also had stints where their keeping was poor as has Haddin.

 

[hineyrulz]

Haddin has had the hardest act to Follow, first Heals and then Gilly. Expectations placed on him have been rather unfair. And up untill last years WC he passed them with flying colours. But he is now 34 and his keeping and batting have dropped off alarmingly. His record still stacks up quite well compared to a lot of past Aussie keepers. It's a shame he never got a go until he was 30 but thems the breaks. Wally Grout had to bide his time behind Tallon, shit happens.

 

[Chip Bayless]

Ian Healy had to replace the guy considered the greatest ever in Rod Marsh (Australian bias, many an Englishmen would argue Alan Knott). Gilchrist then had to do the same when replacing Healy. Haddin kept up the tradition though failed to improve on what Gilchrist had done (and I would be surprised if we see another of his calibre in our life time as a complete package). Brad Haddin lucked out though as you said, it happens. Wade Secombe from QLD was a very good keeper who I consider unlucky. Tim Zoehrer was unluck to not kick on after his ten Tests as he was a better keeper than a young Ian Healy.

The wicketkeeping position for Australia has always fascinated me. It is littered with great players and anyone in the position for Australia has a lot to live up too. More so now than ever after Adam Gilchrist.

 

[hineyrulz]

Marsh retired in 84, Heals came along in 88. He had to only follow Numpties like Dyer and Zoeher. Heals wasn't that flash until around 93, His keeping was pretty good but his batting wasn't that flash until then. Gilly followed Heals and after one test people had forgot all about him lol.

 

[inside_pass]

Haddin has never shown the mental fortitude to be a Test player. His comments about "playing our natural game" when he threw his wicket away to that disgraceful shot in South Africa simply served to prove that he is not a very good thinker about the game. Your wicket keeper needs to be able to assess the flow and pace of a game and assist the captain where possible. Luckily Clarke is a natural when it comes to the feeling the pulse of the game.

Even if these other guys don't have averages that warrant Test selection, I hope they pick the one with the most cricket nous.

Could'nt have said it better!
Hopefully Paine will be back from injury soon.
Regarding Wade I don't really see him as a genuine test player but more a one day player.
Neville hasn't really shown much so far.I actually think he's been out of his depth in the bbl comp but that form of the game is nothing to really go by.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Gilchrist's work with the gloves was not very impressive until his final few years. He dropped a lot of dollies to the quicks. His batting made everyone forget though.

 

[Chip Bayless]

Tim Zoehrer for the time was not a "numptie". He was controversially dumped from the side. Keeping in mind back then was when keepers were not expected to contribute greatly with the bat. Primarily keepers were picked on their glove work and Zoehrer was the best keeper in Australia, better than Dyer, better than Healy who had only six first class games to his name. Healy had a hell of a time in Perth for years.

 

[hineyrulz]

Tim Zoehrer for the time was not a "numptie". He was controversially dumped from the side. Keeping in mind back then was when keepers were not expected to contribute greatly with the bat. Primarily keepers were picked on their glove work and Zoehrer was the best keeper in Australia, better than Dyer, better than Healy who had only six first class games to his name. Healy had a hell of a time in Perth for years.

Zoehrer was left out because his piss poor attitude, and really he was a pretty average player.Wayne Phillips while not the greatest keeper could at least bat. Both we're left our for a guy like Healy who had a far superior work ethic and attitude. Why do you think a guiy Like Swampy played as much as he did??? After Simmo we went with a hard working young team with a great work eithic who played as a team and were like a family. Blokes like Ritchie,Phillips,Zoehrer and Mo Matthews were left out.

 

[aussies1st]

Haddin was going along fine until his brain explosions started becoming ridiculous, the SA match was the final straw.

 

[Chip Bayless]

Not debating player attitudes. Zoehrer was firey and I feel this was often misinterpreted. Each to their own. You allege Tim Zoehrer was a "numptie" and I disagree (I am interpreting that as being a bad player - my rookie dialogue may have led me up the wrong path here?).

Tim Zoehrer was the best keeper in Australia at the time he was dropped. I pick a keeper primarily on his keeping ability and there wasn't a better keeper in Australia at the time (just on that, Tim and others report it was a personality clash at the time more so any alleged poor attitude on Zoehrer's part. There is a difference). Zoehrer many thought would be reinstated instantly in place of Dyer. Healy was. The rest is history.

Too long ago to have anyone suggest they can recall 100% the details back in the day though Tim Zoehrer was never critiqued for being a poor keeper. Again, this is what I select a keeper on first and foremost.

I will leave it there on yesterday's heroes.

 

[hineyrulz]

Not debating player attitudes. Zoehrer was firey and I feel this was often misinterpreted. Each to their own. You allege Tim Zoehrer was a "numptie" and I disagree (I am interpreting that as being a bad player - my rookie dialogue may have led me up the wrong path here?).

Tim Zoehrer was the best keeper in Australia at the time he was dropped. I pick a keeper primarily on his keeping ability and there wasn't a better keeper in Australia at the time (just on that, Tim and others report it was a personality clash at the time more so any alleged poor attitude on Zoehrer's part. There is a difference). Zoehrer many thought would be reinstated instantly in place of Dyer. Healy was. The rest is history.

Too long ago to have anyone suggest they can recall 100% the details back in the day though Tim Zoehrer was never critiqued for being a poor keeper. Again, this is what I select a keeper on first and foremost.

I will leave it there on yesterday's heroes.

Ziggy was never a chance with Simmo around, i just told you he was left out because of his poor attitude. Dyer took his place and probably would have kept it if he hadn't of claimed catches that he dropped. Healy had the attitude and work ethic that AB and Simmo wanted. So did Boon,Marsh,jones,Waugh etc stc. It took a while but we went from a laughing stock to the best side in the world. Simmo and AB's great work seems to be forgotten for some strange reason :?

 

[Horrie Is God]

Dyer,Ritchie,Zoehrer,Wayne Phillips,Yallop,Wood,Hogan etc..

The mid 80's were a dark period in Australian cricket history..

Lucky we had AB..

 

[Fast Eddie]

Haddin is one of the biggest wankers in international Cricket.

 

[hineyrulz]

Dyer,Ritchie,Zoehrer,Wayne Phillips,Yallop,Wood,Hogan etc..

The mid 80's were a dark period in Australian cricket history..

Lucky we had AB..

And AB was all we had, probably the most underated Aussie player of all time. He carried an entire nation for 4 years alone. I wonder how Ponting would have went in his posistion????

 

[Chip Bayless]

Ziggy was never a chance with Simmo around, i just told you he was left out because of his poor attitude. Dyer took his place and probably would have kept it if he hadn't of claimed catches that he dropped. Healy had the attitude and work ethic that AB and Simmo wanted. So did Boon,Marsh,jones,Waugh etc stc. It took a while but we went from a laughing stock to the best side in the world. Simmo and AB's great work seems to be forgotten for some strange reason :?

Agree with all this. Whilst it is 99% unlikely, just to be sure I will put it on record, I never had a problem with the AB/Simmo regime. I lived through it. I have NEVER forgotten the work of AB in that transition period nor will any true cricket fan supporting Australia. I don't think anyone in this thread (well from what I've read) can be labelled as forgetting any of the work of either during that time.

I simply suggested that Tim Zoehrer, in my opinion, wasn't a "numptie" ;-) Enjoyed the discourse here. Thanks hineyrulz. Outside the Parramatta side of things, we will get on well my friend. Cheers.

 

[hineyrulz]

Haddin is one of the biggest wankers in international Cricket.

Do you guys in NZ know how to bait a hook????

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Not to forget that the AB/Simmo attitude stayed with us until Steve Waugh retired.

That was their greatest achievement. Not that they did it but that it stayed long after both had left