Have the Tigers convinced Moltzen to stay? Release sought from his Saints contract

[Slackboy72]

Hey Jubileeboy, care to take back your little 'Clutching at Straws' image reply to my statement re:Tigers holding the cards, as they are only ones with a registered contract.

Doesn't make a lick of difference if it goes to court. The only person holding aces is moltzen. If he wants to stay the dragons can't make him come. If he wants to leave there's no way that the tigers can challenge the promise to release him.

 

[eozsmiles]

If Saints have any rights here then they will release him to England. No way they'll release him back into the NRL and I'd be surprised if theey actually want him now. They don't seem to have a say though. If the Tigers have the winning hand then it's game over.

 

[boxa777]

Curious to know if the Tigers were suddenly met with the news that Adam Blair wasn't (officially) released by the Storm (although a verbal was given by his manager) and hypothetically had a contract for next season with the Storm, rendering the Tigers big deal with Blair null and void.

How would you view that decision and most importantly how would that decision be received by your management given it is now the end of the season and most recruitment is settled?

It's debatable that from a legal standpoint, the Tigers position is slightly more stronger (depending on how much weight is placed on the verbal release) but from a moral perspective, the behaviour of the Tigers management is pretty low and a reflection on the club itself. They have had ample months to (whether they agree with the release or not) conduct themselves in the right manner and have fallen well short.

 

[Ladmate]

Curious to know if the Tigers were suddenly met with the news that Adam Blair wasn't (officially) released by the Storm (although a verbal was given by his manager) and hypothetically had a contract for next season with the Storm, rendering the Tigers big deal with Blair null and void.

How would you view that decision and most importantly how would that decision be received by your management given it is now the end of the season and most recruitment is settled?

It's debatable that from a legal standpoint, the Tigers position is slightly more stronger (depending on how much weight is placed on the verbal release) but from a moral perspective, the behaviour of the Tigers management is pretty low and a reflection on the club itself. They have had ample months to (whether they agree with the release or not) conduct themselves in the right manner and have fallen well short.

Adam Blair was off-contract, so the whole arguement falls short. Signing a contracted player without getting a release is braindead and Doust is to blame for this. If he had any clue on what he was doing, Moltzen would be a Dragon next year.

 

[boxa777]

Adam Blair was off-contract, so the whole arguement falls short. Signing a contracted player without getting a release is braindead and Doust is to blame for this. If he had any clue on what he was doing, Moltzen would be a Dragon next year.

Clearly the comprehension needs a brush up but I did say to treat it as a hypothetical (if it's not too much of a stretch).. The scenario was what if Blair wasn't off-contract and the Tigers received a verbal release from Blair's manager, the Tigers signed him and then the Storm management waited until the end of the season to stick their hands up and say there was no release when the right thing to do was to speak up and resolve the issue at the time. As pathetic as it gets.

Will all come down to how much weight the verbal release holds within the NRL. Should it proceed to court, the verbal could well be enough provided Tauber got one from the Tigers also.

Either way, Moltzen's relationship is somewhat fractured with the Saints, whether he comes to the club or not.

 

[R2Coupe]

Your hypothetical falls short. I dare say our CEO would check with the Club losing the player to make sure he is actually released before signing him and making an announcement.

 

[innsaneink]

Curious to know if the Tigers were suddenly met with the news that Adam Blair wasn't (officially) released by the Storm (although a verbal was given by his manager) and hypothetically had a contract for next season with the Storm, rendering the Tigers big deal with Blair null and void.

How would you view that decision and most importantly how would that decision be received by your management given it is now the end of the season and most recruitment is settled?

It's debatable that from a legal standpoint, the Tigers position is slightly more stronger (depending on how much weight is placed on the verbal release) but from a moral perspective, the behaviour of the Tigers management is pretty low and a reflection on the club itself. They have had ample months to (whether they agree with the release or not) conduct themselves in the right manner and have fallen well short.

Doust wouldve known on the day of our Parra game, the day he announced the signing that he didnt have Moltzen 100%....he had taubers word, nothing more.
Im sure there has been plenty more going on between then & now behind the scenes we are all not privvy too.

The announcement itself was odd, strange...not your usual player recruitment announcement. Clubs that lose the player usually do the announcing.

Did Doust go off half cocked with a premature announcement trying to force humptys hand into agreeing to a release?

Did Humpty get the shits with doust & his announcement and grip the release papers stubbornly tighter?

Have i been watching too many soapies?

 

[saintania]

I couldn't care less what the result is either way. The thing that I find amusing is that all the talk from the Tigers in July was about the TIMING of the announcement, rather than the fact Moltzen had not been released from the Tigers. It only seems to have come out now, several months later. Convenient now that Lui has gone? Or perhaps a deliberate ploy to play with Saints?

Either way, I have always been of the opinion that players who don't want to play for Saints should be shown the door and have their bags packed for them. There are plenty of juniors in our club who bleed red and white and would appreciate the opportunity.

 

[M2D2]

The thing that I find amusing is that all the talk from the Tigers in July was about the TIMING of the announcement, rather than the fact Moltzen had not been released from the Tigers.

They did mention the latter as well.

 

[St_Jubbsy]

Your hypothetical falls short. I dare say our CEO would check with the Club losing the player to make sure he is actually released before signing him and making an announcement.

Oh really? How often would a club's CEO check with a potential player's club that there is an official release when they are assured of this by the relevant player/manager? How often would any employer contact a potential employee's current employer if that person has said they can take the job?

It is not how things work and you are full of shit.

The registered contract issue means jack shit in this scenario.

 

[innsaneink]

Oh really? How often would a club's CEO check with a potential player's club that there is an official release when they are assured of this by the relevant player/manager? How often would any employer contact a potential employee's current employer if that person has said they can take the job?

It is not how things work and you are full of shit.

The registered contract issue means jack shit in this scenario.

How often?
Each and every time one would think particularly when one was ready to go singing to the media about his new prized signature

 

[_Johnsy]

Doust wouldve known on the day of our Parra game, the day he announced the signing that he didnt have Moltzen 100%....he had taubers word, nothing more.
Im sure there has been plenty more going on between then & now behind the scenes we are all not privvy too.

The announcement itself was odd, strange...not your usual player recruitment announcement. Clubs that lose the player usually do the announcing.

Did Doust go off half cocked with a premature announcement trying to force humptys hand into agreeing to a release?

Did Humpty get the shits with doust & his announcement and grip the release papers stubbornly tighter?

Have i been watching too many soapies?

Are you taking the piss ?

 

[St_Jubbsy]

How often?
Each and every time one would think particularly when one was ready to go singing to the media about his new prized signature

Yeah I'm sure. Just as clubs announce the departure of players...

It is scary there are people as thick as you out there.

 

[innsaneink]

You dont agree the ''announcement'' was odd?
Its often the club releasing a player early makes the noise

 

[innsaneink]

It is scary there are people as thick as you out there.

They even get to ''run'' NRL clubs & make announcements

 

[St_Jubbsy]

Yeah agreed, Humphreys clearly is incompetent.

 

[jason taylor]

Yeah agreed, Humphreys clearly is incompetent.

Are there Tigers '09 premiership T-Shirts out there then?

 

[Southernsaint]

Are there Tigers '09 premiership T-Shirts out there then?

LOL, so I don't need to read your other 1,967 posts to confirm you're a moron, do I??

 

[league]

Are there Tigers '09 premiership T-Shirts out there then?

So how did Manly have theirs ready made right on full time?

 

[Habitual Linestepper]

Why are people fighting over Tim Moltzen. He's like the Carlos Vela of league, does f**k all unless your team is winning, other wise he's got no heart and shies away from responsibility. Do Tigers fans even want him?

I guess there is a the principle of someone walking on a club they had already agreed to sign for. In which case i can understand 15 pages.

This sorta shit has happened before though, Inglis (Broncos), Luke Lewis (Rabbitohs), Steve Turner (Titans..i think).