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Have the Tigers convinced Moltzen to stay? Release sought from his Saints contract

Pierced Soul

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Verbals mean nothing, Snowden and Inglis have shown that.
If it went to court the Tiges would win, and Moltzens manager would be in deep shite for signing the dragons deal.

but has moltzen also physically signed? A bigger question - has the NRL registered the contract? With both inglis and Snowden a verbal/handshake deal had been done but i dont think in either case there had been any physical signatures and the NRL had not received any contracts to be registered (which is what held up inglis official signing with soufs)
 

franklin2323

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but has moltzen also physically signed? A bigger question - has the NRL registered the contract? With both inglis and Snowden a verbal/handshake deal had been done but i dont think in either case there had been any physical signatures and the NRL had not received any contracts to be registered (which is what held up inglis official signing with soufs)

Apparently he has (according to Doust) although the NRL aren't talking so it's just hearsay.

Why is this coming out now? If he was un realeased why not bring it up sooner??
 

Slackboy72

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Completely agree.
But if all he had was a verbal from wests re: a release then he could be legally bound to them still.
Verbals mean nothing, Snowden and Inglis have shown that.
If it went to court the Tiges would win, and Moltzens manager would be in deep shite for signing the dragons deal.

Not in contract law.
The only thing stopping the sharks and the broncos from stopping Snowden and Inglis signing elsewhere is the fact they didn't want someone at their club who didn't want to be there.
That may be the case here depending on if you rely on the word of Moltzen's manager or an unnamed tigers player who spoke to a telecrap journo. The fact that Moltzen hasn't said diddly squat yet is a little perplexing.
 

DJShaksta

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Apparently he has (according to Doust) although the NRL aren't talking so it's just hearsay.

Why is this coming out now? If he was un realeased why not bring it up sooner??

When St.George announced his signing the tigers weren't impressed as they had not officially released him, there were articles about it at the time
 

innsaneink

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It appears from your post that the Tigers management have farked up and are now trying to renege, quality club indeed. I have no issues if Moltzen stays with the Tigers (if they want him that badly), but make sure it costs them plenty.


40twenty has collated a whole lot of articles and lumped them all together, it makes it look as though people are quoted as saying things they didnt actually say....take no notice of it
 

innsaneink

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The History of Motzen Saga

Tigers players have referred to the decision to allow the likes of Bryce Gibbs, Andrew Fifita (both Cronulla) and Tim Moltzen (St George Illawarra) to head elsewhere as a speedhump in their season that needed to be overcome.

“It is a tough circumstance when you’ve got some changes happening to your roster and every club goes through it.

“We hadn’t been through it for a number of years so I guess when it eventually did happen for us it was going to be a bit of a shock.

Humphreys said the exiting players, who join assistant coach Peter Gentle (Hull) and high performance manager Steve Folkes (Dragons), had galvanised the squad.

“I think it is a motivating factor for a group that’s very tight like our group,” he said.

“I think it can be and has been overplayed but it is in the mix.”

Humphreys said there was no concern the club had made the wrong call on the departures and the recruitment of Adam Blair, Joel Reddy and Matt Bell.
''He's flying for us. He's a big loss for the club, a massive loss. I'm still devastated he's going, especially the way he's been playing. That's rugby league.''



Moltzen had never played in a finals match until last Friday night. It just so happened that it was against the team that bundled his team out, minus him, last year.

And also the same club Moltzen will join next year.

''During the week, it's something I think about a little bit,'' Moltzen said of leaving the club. ''Coming up to the game, I'm definitely focused on the game and what I've got to do.

''The thing that makes me think about it is just having to move, all the stuff around it. But I'm just really trying to focus on now. We've got a great chance here. I don't want to focus on anything else other than what we've got to do.''

Moltzen has since moved on from the drama and, now that his future is secure, is intent on finishing off his time at the Tigers on a high.
‘‘You’re not around forever,’’ the 22-year-old said yesterday, just days out from Friday night’s blockbuster between the two clubs at the Sydney Football Stadium.
‘‘You have to make the most of the opportunities you have and this is the way it’s turned out.
‘‘I’m happy with the decision but my focus is on the Tigers and I’m not really worried about next year until it comes around.’’


Moltzen is contracted with the Tigers until the end of 2013, but was given permission to speak to other clubs.
Souths and Cronulla had also shown interest in the 22-year-old utility back before he and Tauber negotiated a deal to play under Steve Price at the Dragons next year.
"I'm meeting with the Wests Tigers [today]," Tauber said.
"There was already a verbal agreement in place, but I've been away for the weekend and I'm quite disappointed in all the carry-on about it.
"There is no issue. He will be at the Dragons next year."
A Tigers official yesterday morning said there was no certainty over when and if the Moltzen clearance would be formalised. But Tauber was emphatic it would go ahead today.


Posted to make it look like Humpty said that.

He didnt, it was Marshall.

I believe there are rules in this forum about posting links???

Five-eighth Benji Marshall says the form of Moltzen is a key reason he, hooker Robbie Farah and half Robert Lui have been so dangerous. ''He's running the ball back hard, he's running with confidence, he's looking confident, he's taking bombs confidently,'' Marshall said. ''Confidence is a big part of rugby league.
''He's flying for us. He's a big loss for the club, a massive loss. I'm still devastated he's going, especially the way he's been playing. That's rugby league.''
 

TimmyB

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Everyone acting like the Tigers are very much in the wrong. I'm not so sure why. Tigers never officially agreed to release Moltzen. The Dragons gave no consideration for the release of Moltzen. The Tigers owe the Dragons nothing. Moltzen on the other hand...
 

franklin2323

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When St.George announced his signing the tigers weren't impressed as they had not officially released him, there were articles about it at the time

That is true but they since said they were happy with their recruitment. Reddy, Bell and Blair would do a good job etc. mentioned Moltzen would be a big loss but was confident they could cover for him. etc

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-to-go-with-tigers-trophy-20110911-1k4cs.html

Contains quotes from Marshall saying he will be missed. So why did everyone know he was going if no release?? Seems very strange.
 

innsaneink

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Everyone acting like the Tigers are very much in the wrong. I'm not so sure why. Tigers never officially agreed to release Moltzen. The Dragons gave no consideration for the release of Moltzen. The Tigers owe the Dragons nothing. Moltzen on the other hand...

Because it appears the club has said one thing, then done another when it suits them.
I dunno if you live your life like this, I dont, thats why its disappointing to see the club I support doing it...many feel the same
 
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that was before Lui did his regular mad monday beatup, now that want to move him on and need a half to replace him, so ethier they try to keep Tim or sign Morts, i know what i would do.
 

franklin2323

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Because it appears the club has said one thing, then done another when it suits them.
I dunno if you live your life like this, I dont, thats why its disappointing to see the club I support doing it...many feel the same

That's the thing players come and go but this sort of stuff hurts the fans. Most will still be here long after the players leave.

The fact that Marshall has said he was leaving and that it hurt him. Leads me to think that his room mate was under the impression he was gone. It doesn't mean it was offical but it seems clear it was atleast verbal
 

Slackboy72

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Because it appears the club has said one thing, then done another when it suits them.
I dunno if you live your life like this, I dont, thats why its disappointing to see the club I support doing it...many feel the same

You probably shouldn't tar your club with the stink of humphreys.
He's to blame here. He promised Moltzen a release and told him to look elsewhere. He's the one that's going to land your club in court over this.
 

Loudstrat

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It boils down to this. Moltzen's manager says the Tigers gave him permission to look elsewhere, the Tigers say they didnt.

I seem to recall an article soon after the Parra game where Humphreys was wrong, someone from the Tigers DID grant a release.

Saints, of course, did nothing wrong.....or did they? The timing if the announcement was very odd.

Adding to the drama was the great Sheens press conference after the game, not to mention the great, if rare, win to the Eels. The Tigers won the next 9 straight too.

If anything, it would make a great soap opera. Call it "The Bold and the F*cking Ugly".
 

madunit

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Is Humphreys as ethical as his late father?
I don't think a severe addiction to gambling can be considering an issue with ethics.

He paid his fine, he paid the club back every cent he took. You don't do that without some decent ethics.
 

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