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Hayne must be Suspended

Should Hayne be Suspended?

  • YES

    Votes: 86 45.5%
  • NO

    Votes: 103 54.5%

  • Total voters
    189

Fathead

Bench
Messages
2,777
The ball is being kicked through and is essentially a free for all, in that players can use arms, legs, knees, head ,anything to legally push the ball over the side line. Hayne appears to have this mind set when running towards the ball in fact if he had arrived a second before Goodwin and pushed the ball over the side line with his knees - we wouldn’t be having this debate.

Unfortunately Goodwin does have a little bit more speed than Hayne anticipated and Goodwin arrived at the ball before Hayne did.

Hayne can run 100 metres in about 11 seconds, that means that very roughly he can travel about 8 metres every second. Given the fatigue factor and being very conservative, lets even say that he covers the distance between the rolling ball and his position about 5 metres every second (and that is being very conservative)

At a certain point, the dynamics of the incident changes. Goodwin picks the ball up and the matter now becomes not a race for the ball but a tackle. Hayne now has to alter the dynamics and locomotion of his body to react to this. I would say that he would have been less than a metre away when this change between the race for the ball and the impending tackle takes place.

Having regard to the above-mentioned speed/distance formula and that Hayne would travel 5 metres every second. If he is 1 metre away – how is he expected to change his body position from one of trying to kick the ball over the side line to a legitimate tackle?
He would have less than .020 seconds to turn his body around.

This is quite frankly impossible.

The main thing to consider is this – You cannot view the matter in slow motion because you are taking into account reactions / speed / gait / body mechanics and these things don’t happen in slow motion. Life doesn’t happen in slow motion. You wouldnt view slow motion replays on a missed tackle and then ask the beaten player why his left arm was at a ceratin place and why his right foot wasnt nearer the player which may have caused the miss .. - The view in slow motion is moot.

The subsequent contact is purely accidental and beyond the control of Hayne.
All this talk of why didnt hayne jump over the player is also stupid. He didnt because he simply didnt have the time to. I fyou hold this view you have to remember that you are watching it in SLOW MOTION !! At normal speed it would be impossible for any player to process the information and jump over Goodwin.

as Kevin Moore said " Hes good but hes not Superman "
 
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PARRA_FAN

Coach
Messages
17,524
I wish people would stop comparing the Hayne one to the Gibbs one.

Yes they both went in with their knees, but Gibbs led in when Burt had the ball in his hand. He got 3 weeks cause of his bad reputation.

Hayne was chasing a grubber kick.

If he was found guilty, he might get off cause of his good record this season, same with Keating.
 

joshreading

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
1,720
I am a Storm fan and when we get through :) we will beat the Eels with Hayne in. There would be a let down factor if Hayne did not play (and the incident was not worthy of a suspension)

However the media around the incident will help when he is let off making the GF even bigger.
 

F-1-11

Juniors
Messages
88
Slater and Lockyer and cutie do this on a regular basis. Merrit got some time for it earlier in the year.
 

Fui!!!

Juniors
Messages
996
The ball is being kicked through and is essentially a free for all, in that players can use arms, legs, knees, head ,anything to legally push the ball over the side line. Hayne appears to have this mind set when running towards the ball in fact if he had arrived a second before Goodwin and pushed the ball over the side line with his knees - we wouldn’t be having this debate.

Unfortunately Goodwin does have a little bit more speed than Hayne anticipated and Goodwin arrived at the ball before Hayne did.


Hayne can run 100 metres in about 11 seconds, that means that very roughly he can travel about 8 metres every second. Given the fatigue factor and being very conservative, lets even say that he covers the distance between the rolling ball and his position about 5 metres every second (and that is being very conservative)

At a certain point, the dynamics of the incident changes. Goodwin picks the ball up and the matter now becomes not a race for the ball but a tackle. Hayne now has to alter the dynamics and locomotion of his body to react to this. I would say that he would have been less than a metre away when this change between the race for the ball and the impending tackle takes place.

Having regard to the above-mentioned speed/distance formula and that Hayne would travel 5 metres every second. If he is 1 metre away – how is he expected to change his body position from one of trying to kick the ball over the side line to a legitimate tackle?
He would have less than .020 seconds to turn his body around.

This is quite frankly impossible.

The main thing to consider is this – You cannot view the matter in slow motion because you are taking into account reactions / speed / gait / body mechanics and these things don’t happen in slow motion. Life doesn’t happen in slow motion. You wouldnt view slow motion replays on a missed tackle and then ask the beaten player why his left arm was at a ceratin place and why his right foot wasnt nearer the player which may have caused the miss .. - The view in slow motion is moot.

The subsequent contact is purely accidental and beyond the control of Hayne.

:clap:
 
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Am I missing something here?

Hayne may have 'lead' with his knees but they didn't connect, it was his thigh that impacted. His knees hit nothing.

It wasn't intentional, as in he didn't mean to cause harm. He plays next week, simple.

Did'nt connect...you may correct !!.

It must have been Goodwin headbutting Hayne's knees then..:sarcasm:
 

simostorm

Bench
Messages
4,511
Cam Smith last season was a joke..
So based on that.. I say wipe him out.

But he's not a Queenslander.. so it wont happen.
 

MSIH

Bench
Messages
3,807
Led with the knees, collected Goodwin in the head. Pretty simple really. Suspended.

Won't happen though, you can't have the Golden child sitting out the Grand Final.
 

Dazraider

Juniors
Messages
1,134
He went in with his knees does not matter goodwin just got there you cant go in first with your knees and not even have your hands near the ball.
its a joke if he is not suspended
 

Y2Eel

First Grade
Messages
8,176
Led with the knees, collected Goodwin in the head. Pretty simple really. Suspended.

Won't happen though, you can't have the Golden child sitting out the Grand Final.

He should have led with his feet?:?
 
Messages
335
I think it might look a bit better for Hayne if he sticks a hand out or something to make it look like he's making a play at the ball. What happens is, he gets caught in no-man's-land where he's too close to dive, and too far away to stay up.

No way there's intent there, but it's very clumsy to go in leading with the knees. Most things players get charged for are accidental but dangerous. Like I said about Thurston, he'll get a week max. I think what may have saved Thurston was that the try hadn't been scored yet and a case could have been made for his attempt to stop it. Hayne just got caught in no-man's-land.
 

Y2Eel

First Grade
Messages
8,176
Intent has nothing to do with it. He was stupid enough to lead with his legs, he deserves punishment.

Gibbs got three weeks due to carryover - yes. Hayne without carryover should get 1-2.
As for Hayne - he was in late too, and came in from the side leading with his legs & feet, before tucking them under and leading with the knee. Intentional or not - he did it.

Thurston not being suspended is one of the great mysteries of RL in 2009.

The Selling that will get him off is Goodwin scored of a kick Gibbs came in late with his knees on Burt not of a kick but as he was grounding the ball..

How is Hayne ment to not hit Goodwin when he was going in to kick the ball dead?
 

typicalfan

Coach
Messages
15,430
intent or no intent - malic or not malice..........HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT........end of the day - his knees hit the head of the opponent player - he slid IN WITH HIS KNEES - Hayne will lucky to be even cited - we know that but it doesn't justify it,,,,,,,,

Of Course intent makes it different, the whole judiciary system has rankings based on recklessness and intent.

He was playing at the ball but arrived late and made unavoidable contact. Hayne will be cited but to say that this incident is the same as the Bryce Gibbs intentional act or even worse is ridiculous.
 

Big Mick

Referee
Messages
26,300
Some bitter Dragons and Dogs fans in here.

Don't blame Hayne because of your teams inability to finish a season.

Tall Poppy Syndrome at its best
 

Fathead

Bench
Messages
2,777
He went in with his knees does not matter goodwin just got there you cant go in first with your knees and not even have your hands near the ball.
its a joke if he is not suspended

Its simple really - read my post on the previous page. You CAN lead with your knees everywhere on the field, players do it all the time. If it doesnt collect anyone and nothing is said. By your logic, Cayless should be suspended too because he 'led' with his knees but this incident hasnt rated a mention.

Typically, we as australians just love to bring the champions down, if hayne is not in your team, its all about how long we can suspend him for.
If he was playing for the raiders perhaps you may be a little more scientific about it.

I am quite confident that Hayne will not miss the GF. Even if the NRL try and suspend him, they would be blown out of the water by a half decent bio mechanics expert, hell even a 2nd year law student would get Hayne off.
 
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TimmyB

Juniors
Messages
2,332
Come on guys, be realistic. Hayne and Goodwin were not in competition for the ball. Hayne was never, ever going to get there. Look at the photo on the daily telegraph front page. Goodwin already had the ball down and Hayne is yet to go to ground. The same way when Thurston kicked out at Williams the problem wasn't that he used his feet, it was that he was late and the ball had already been planted by the time he tried to kick it out. Not to mention that he connected with Williams face.

All this stuff about biomechanics is rubbish. The fact is he tried to take Goodwin over the sideline with his knees and he did so after the ball had been planted. You can't be allowed to get away with that.

I'm not saying he should cop a week, but he's got to be charged with something.
 
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