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[Gary Gutful]

Sorry Gaz, but that’s a pretty silly comment.

Without knowing the specifics of the case I won’t comment on the guilt or innocence of either party. However, when you’re talking about an income that also includes third party sponsorships, being an accused rapist would likely have a monumental impact to reputation and potential earning capacity.

I accepted that it is an issue so I have conceded that what you are suggesting is a possibility.

However, I also highlighted that:

1. Hayne already had a shit reputation prior to the incident so what is being 'damaged' per se?

2. There are countless examples of sports stars who have been accused and found guilty of a lot of terrible misdemeanors (up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing). If they are a valuable contributor to their teams success, the most common scenario is that the impact to their reputation and earning capacity is often neglible or non-existent. Form on the field typically overrides any misdemeanours. Repeat offences though may get treated differently.

Based on the above considerations I then determined that whilst I was being presented with an issue, I didn't consider it to be significant.

That's not silly. It's actually quite sound logic.

 

[strider]

He’s a massive grub, he’s done plenty of things on the field that make him a grub on the field.

Hayne is no saint either I’m not denying it but he’s hardly in the grub category..

Hayne has headbutted 3 people (yes maybe we like that he headbutted those guys, but a headbutt is a headbutt)

Regardless, your comment was about off field behaviour ... slater has never been in trouble off field, yet we are allowed to call him a grub

 

[Gary Gutful]

Please tell me why you think it is highly likely that a grub like Hayne did the wrong thing? Is it because she stole his undies?

I think it is likely that they both did the wrong thing. I don't think Hayne is completely innocent, nor do I think that your lady friend made some sound choices either. The end result though is that someone feels that they have been wronged and it is now a civil suit that needs to be considered.

 

[hineyrulz]

Hayne has headbutted 3 people (yes maybe we like that he headbutted those guys, but a headbutt is a headbutt)

Regardless, your comment was about off field behaviour ... slater has never been in trouble off field, yet we are allowed to call him a grub

Two times I can remember he head butted someone. Both after copping Dog shots.

Slater has a long list of grubby things on the field as well as knowingly signing 3 contracts and blatantly cheating.

Plus that barbie ad with his daughter, the bloke is a monster.

 

[Happy MEel]

I accepted that it is an issue so I have conceded that what you are suggesting is a possibility.

However, I also highlighted that:

1. Hayne already had a shit reputation prior to the incident so what is being 'damaged' per se?

2. There are countless examples of sports stars who have been accused and found guilty of a lot of terrible misdemeanors (up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing). If they are a valuable contributor to their teams success, the most common scenario is that the impact to their reputation and earning capacity is often neglible or non-existent. Form on the field typically overrides any misdemeanours. Repeat offences though may get treated differently.

Based on the above considerations I then determined that whilst was being presented with an issue, I didn't consider it to be significant.

That's not silly. It's actually quite sound logic.

Can you point out some of these “countless examples” you speak of. Let’s compare apples with apples and make them Australian examples so they are in a similar context to what Jarryd is facing.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Hayne has headbutted 3 people (yes maybe we like that he headbutted those guys, but a headbutt is a headbutt)

Regardless, your comment was about off field behaviour ... slater has never been in trouble off field, yet we are allowed to call him a grub

Complete double standards.

Hiney has been exposed like Portuguese Chicken!

 

[Bazal]

Good lord....there's a difference between being a bit of a grub and being a rapist...Bartman-esque effort, linking the two

 

[Noise]

I think it is likely that they both did the wrong thing. I don't think Hayne is completely innocent, nor do I think that your lady friend made some sound choices either. The end result though is that someone feels that they have been wronged and it is now a civil suit that needs to be considered.

Fair enough. What wrong thing might our lady friend have done?

 

[T-Boon]

However, the only reason that it didn't make it to trial was that there was not enough evidence at the time.

You don't know that. It is possible there was evidence pointing to innocence.
I mean, there would have been stacks of points of evidence (CCTV, text messages from the night, the outfit she was wearing smeared in blood etc etc that she would have kept along with his undies) the police would have looked at.
Have a look at the 49ers Ray McDonald case. His case shows it doesnt take much evidence for the police to charge in these matters. All they had there was footage of her drunk at his place. Basically everything else (including that she stayed with him for the whole next day and his text messages the next few days) supported his defence.
The Ray McDonald case make me think that the police would have looked at CCTV from the night to see how drunk she looked before getting in the uber. They would have looked at her text messages to her friends etc. She kept his undies but did she keep her blood smeared outfit or a photo of the blood? They would have looked into her explanation for delays in going to hospital or police. Is her story even remotely believable (vagina still sore 4 months later and thats why she eventually went to the hospital). They would have asked her if she could produce anything proving how Christian she was.
The police like to charge in these high profile ones so the fact they didn't does makes you wonder why.

 

[T-Boon]

1. Hayne already had a shit reputation prior to the incident so what is being 'damaged' per se?

His reputation with respect to his treatment of women - which previously was pretty damn good and is dang important these days.

Lets look at his track record;

1. He took his mother to the Dally Ms and he bought her a house out of his first contract money;

2. He risked his own life to save the life of a female Irish backpacker who was drowning at Bondi (didn't she turn up to Parra stadium and hug him and refer to him as her hero? Didn't Parra and the NRL get a weeks worth of mileage out of that story?. ...I'll have to look that up);

3. His reputation with regards the way he treated the mother of his baby daughter...trying to make a relationship out of a hook up for the sake of mother and child;

4. Fly's back from holidays in the US to be there for the first birthday of his daughter;

5. Doesn't he have a sister that adhores him?;

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

She puts him in ad after ad after ad until he can't walk straight?

 

[strider]

Two times I can remember he head butted someone. Both after copping Dog shots.

Slater has a long list of grubby things on the field as well as knowingly signing 3 contracts and blatantly cheating.

Plus that barbie ad with his daughter, the bloke is a monster.

As i said, the people he headbutted were probably headbutt worthy

Slater did nothing to instigate his headbutt. Hayne gave him a facial in a tackle, slater took a little swing in reply, they locked horns and jarryd went the headbutt ... its pretty grubby tbh but he was playing for parra and it was billy so we turn a blind eye

 

[hineyrulz]

As i said, the people he headbutted were probably headbutt worthy

Slater did nothing to instigate his headbutt. Hayne gave him a facial in a tackle, slater took a little swing in reply, they locked horns and jarryd went the headbutt ... its pretty grubby tbh but he was playing for parra and it was billy so we turn a blind eye

Head butting slater doesn’t make you a grub but just an hero in my eyes.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Can you point out some of these “countless examples” you speak of. Let’s compare apples with apples and make them Australian examples so they are in a similar context to what Jarryd is facing.

The fact that you don't appear to accept that this has occurred in the past is a worry.

I was not limiting my explanation to the Australian context so you can't just arbitrarily determine that I must only list 'Australian examples' (which is ironic in itself given that the incident actually occurred in America).

Here are 44 examples of rape allegations and rape cases in the NFL. .

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/8qwpm4/2015-nfl-report

Click on each player and you can see more details.

As for other examples you can google:

Ruben Patterson - NBA
Kobe Bryant - NBA
Anthony Mason - NBA
Phil Taylor - Darts
Ched Evans - Soccer
Ray Rice - NFL

Here is a link to a good article from 2005 describing what I have suggested and it covers the Australian context. Remember when Dane Tilse was made an example for an incident in a dorm but other (better players) such as Kurt Gidley suffered less repurcusions?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AltLawJl/2005/44.pdf

Also, there weren't any major impacts to anyone involved in the Sharks and Bulldogs cases. Matthew Johns fell on his sword at Ch 9 but got another more lucrative gig later on. I suspect he could have come back much earlier, but chose to take some time out.

Brett Stewart was reluctantly stood down by Manly after the NRL intervened. He quickly made his way back into the team and remained a valuable member. It was injury, more so than the assault case that impacted his career. His earning capacity was not altered and any reputation impacts were not significant enough to drive sponsors away.

In the directly comparable examples involving civil suits, those that continued to be effective members of their team scored good contracts and endorsement details after the incident. This supports the point that I made.

Note - This is what I managed to find with some quick googling. I suspect there are a lot of other examples that I could dig out if I spent more time searching.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Fair enough. What wrong thing might our lady friend have done?

Went home with Jarryd Hayne. Though alcohol might have impaired her judgement (as it could have done with Jarryd).

 

[Gary Gutful]

His reputation with respect to his treatment of women - which previously was pretty damn good and is dang important these days.

Lets look at his track record;

1. He took his mother to the Dally Ms and he bought her a house out of his first contract money;

2. He risked his own life to save the life of a female Irish backpacker who was drowning at Bondi (didn't she turn up to Parra stadium and hug him and refer to him as her hero? Didn't Parra and the NRL get a weeks worth of mileage out of that story?. ...I'll have to look that up);

3. His reputation with regards the way he treated the mother of his baby daughter...trying to make a relationship out of a hook up for the sake of mother and child;

4. Fly's back from holidays in the US to be there for the first birthday of his daughter;

5. Doesn't he have a sister that adhores him?;

Maybe mate, but I'm going to call a spade a spade and suggest that only a hardcore Parra fan could have come up with that top 5!

 

[El Diablo]

did Hayne rape Gary?

 

[hineyrulz]

did Hayne rape Gary?

Maybe he didn’t and that’s the problem???

 

[Noise]

Went home with Jarryd Hayne. Though alcohol might have impaired her judgement (as it could have done with Jarryd).

And for balance sake what do you think Hayne did wrong?

 

[Gary Gutful]

You don't know that. It is possible there was evidence pointing to innocence.
I mean, there would have been stacks of points of evidence (CCTV, text messages from the night, the outfit she was wearing smeared in blood etc etc that she would have kept along with his undies) the police would have looked at.

I guess that is possible but not probable in my mind. Those items that you listed are either unlikely to show anything (CCTV, text messages and undies) or possibly made up (blood smeared outfit).

Ultimately they ruled that there wasn't enough evidence to go to trial. There wasn't a strong enough case against him. I suspect it most likely came down to his word against hers.