I love Pokerstars

[griffo346]

I got donked tonight

AJ vs 23

i flopped the A he flopped a 3

Turn come a 2

river a 3

FFS

 

[HevyDevy]

Regulated by the players?

Like whom?

Lederer, Ferguson and Co?

Full tilt?

FFS, why don't you go have a game there now, if it's such a responsible site...

Crooked merkins the lot of them. All online poker is crooked to a degree becaue it bears no resemblance to live poker whatsoever. The only players that should be respected are ones who have no ties to any site and don't mouth off about their "achievments" like Ferguson and that fat skank Obrestad.

In 4 or 5 days of watching the main event live on Foxtel it strengthened my opinion. There was no hand after hand of monsters. There was no hand after hand of flopped sets being rivered, flopped flushes being rivered or flopped straights being rivered. I see that sort of shit every single day on Stars and not just occassionally, in EVERY tournament, on every table I'm at.

Yet it was a rare occurence in the Main Event.

I've played 11,000 tourneys on Stars by the way so my opinion wasn't made overnight.

Having said that, I'll repeat what I said earlier, Stars is the best of a very bad bunch.

I said the players mate, not the owners. I'm talking the internet whiz kids. Incidentally, Full Tilt has never been accused of being rigged.

Anyway, if you believe these sites are rigged and you continue to play on them, well you know what they say: Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I said the players mate, not the owners. I'm talking the internet whiz kids. Incidentally, Full Tilt has never been accused of being rigged.

Never been accused of being rigged?

Type "full tilt is rigged" into google and search through the 25,000 results.

I'll help, this is the first result.

http://fulltiltpokerrigged.blogspot.com/2009/08/full-tilt-rigged-confirmed.html

The problem is that everyone who believes that is assumed to be a pissed off punter who did their dough, so what they've said is dismissed out of hand.

Anyway, if you believe these sites are rigged and you continue to play on them, well you know what they say: Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I've got $200 from a 0$ start, despite the site itself.

Do you think I would play with my own money?

That saying would be relevant if I had deposited...twice.

 

[HevyDevy]

http://www.thepokerbank.com/articles/online/rigged/

 

[HevyDevy]

http://www.ispokerrigged.com/

 

[watatank]

How is watching the main event an indication of anything? It's really only highlights of the day and it moves from table to table. You don't get anywhere near the same volume of hands, nor do the games move anywhere near as quick. Bad beats don't make for great TV unless it's a pro berating a fellow opponent after getting eliminated.

Plus the players make better decisions re: when to push, fold, etc so you won't have as many donks calling all ins with absolute rubbish. If they do, chances are they had odds to do so.

If the sites really are rigged you can probably prove it using a tracking program and compare the number of times your big hands hold up and all that

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

http://www.thepokerbank.com/articles/online/rigged/

Pointless, neither "opinion" can be proved without inside knowledge.

I notice that the writer didn't put his name to that article.....

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

How is watching the main event an indication of anything?

It's really only highlights of the day and it moves from table to table. You don't get anywhere near the same volume of hands, nor do the games move anywhere near as quick. Bad beats don't make for great TV unless it's a pro berating a fellow opponent after getting eliminated.

No, there were only two tables involved in the telecast. They only went to another table if there was a big elimination, usually after the hand was played.

Plus the players make better decisions re: when to push, fold, etc so you won't have as many donks calling all ins with absolute rubbish. If they do, chances are they had odds to do so.

We saw the starting hands of all players. I agree that the donk factor was irrelevant in the main event for the most part, but when someone did do domething "donkish" they were almost always crushed.

If the sites really are rigged you can probably prove it using a tracking program and compare the number of times your big hands hold up and all that

I've never bothered with it, I prefer to use my game and the notes I've made on players to help.

But I will have a look and see if there's something out there that might help.

I'm going to downlad a program called Poker Buddy which is allowed by Stars and see what happens.

 

[HevyDevy]

Pointless, neither "opinion" can be proved without inside knowledge.

I notice that the writer didn't put his name to that article.....

As watatank says, tracking software shows quite clearly both win rates and total cash won by hand. Any major discrepancies in odds over a decent sample size would show as clear as say if a site was rigged.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I won't be paying for tracking software.

This hand is typical of stars. It happens to me so often I simply expect it. Trying to raise the f**king spastics with a big stack out of the hand is a waste of time, but the alternative is to fold AA.

I cash in this tournament probably around 35-40% of the time, then I always run into ths type of hand.

PokerStars Game #69432252440: Tournament #455373550, $0.50+$0.05 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2011/10/24 12:07:39 AEST [2011/10/23 21:07:39 ET]
Table '455373550 7' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: m26m (6950 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 2: charzewski19 (38796 in chips)
Seat 3: jancsi69 (8755 in chips)
Seat 4: FEr4_pkr (13218 in chips)
Seat 5: TheBeholderr (27962 in chips)
Seat 6: coopster_001 (4388 in chips)
Seat 7: Turned_Pale (5959 in chips)
Seat 8: cumn4unow (29696 in chips)
Seat 9: elementary1 (19763 in chips)
charzewski19: posts the ante 25
jancsi69: posts the ante 25
FEr4_pkr: posts the ante 25
TheBeholderr: posts the ante 25
coopster_001: posts the ante 25
Turned_Pale: posts the ante 25
cumn4unow: posts the ante 25
elementary1: posts the ante 25
charzewski19: posts small blind 150
jancsi69: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coopster_001 [Ah Ad]
FEr4_pkr: folds
TheBeholderr: calls 300
coopster_001: raises 2400 to 2700
Turned_Pale: folds
cumn4unow: calls 2700
elementary1: folds
charzewski19: folds
jancsi69: folds
TheBeholderr: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ks 3s]
TheBeholderr: bets 1200
coopster_001: raises 463 to 1663 and is all-in
cumn4unow: folds
TheBeholderr: calls 463
*** TURN *** [Tc Ks 3s] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Ks 3s Kh] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheBeholderr: shows [Js Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Threes)
coopster_001: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
coopster_001 is sitting out
TheBeholderr collected 12076 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12076 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Ks 3s Kh 3d]
Seat 2: charzewski19 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: jancsi69 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: FEr4_pkr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TheBeholderr showed [Js Kd] and won (12076) with a full house, Kings full of Threes
Seat 6: coopster_001 showed [Ah Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 7: Turned_Pale folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: cumn4unow folded on the Flop
Seat 9: elementary1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Simply put, stars' software is rigged by giving an unfair advantage to the bigger stacks in the room in hands against smaller stack.

They'll hit trips like in that hand regularly when dominated.

They'll hit any flush or straight draws regularly against a made hand, because they have a bigger stack.

I've seen it tens of thousands of times. I see it at every table in every tournament I've played.

The ridiculous is the norm at Stars. If you think it isn't rigged at all, you're either naive or stupid.

 

[BunniesMan]

Pointless, neither "opinion" can be proved without inside knowledge.

I notice that the writer didn't put his name to that article.....

It comes down to logic. Do you really think companies that make lots of money would do things like this, for what? Increasing their profits by 1%? When if caught they could be shut down and lose everything?

Today I played two $7 sng's, in both I made it to heads up play with the smaller stack, in one I came second. All in with top pair and an ace kicker on the flop, he makes the flush on the river. On the other table I won even though I was behind.

It's random. I find it hard to believe a company would risk their successful brand and their entire business on something like that. If you really are suspicious, try contacting the appropriate authorities. If there is something to it and enough people complain they'll investigate and see if there is something suss happening.

I'll bet all of the money I made today ($29+17= $46) that they use a program that is completely and entirely random.

 

[watatank]

why didn't you go all in on preflop? would they have called anyway

 

[BunniesMan]

why didn't you go all in on preflop? would they have called anyway

I worded that sentence incorrectly, I meant to say I went all in preflop, was ahead at the flop and lost on the river.

I had the AK pocket, hit the K on the flop, he gets the 5th club on the river. That one bloody card made him $12 in an instant.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

It comes down to logic. Do you really think companies that make lots of money would do things like this, for what? Increasing their profits by 1%? When if caught they could be shut down and lose everything?

Today I played two $7 sng's, in both I made it to heads up play with the smaller stack, in one I came second. All in with top pair and an ace kicker on the flop, he makes the flush on the river. On the other table I won even though I was behind.

It's random. I find it hard to believe a company would risk their successful brand and their entire business on something like that. If you really are suspicious, try contacting the appropriate authorities. If there is something to it and enough people complain they'll investigate and see if there is something suss happening.

I'll bet all of the money I made today ($29+17= $46) that they use a program that is completely and entirely random.

Nice.

I just made 1 1/2 grand from freerolls in October.

I love Pokerstars. A lot.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Another one, it's nothing if not consistent.

If I weren't up $1,500 I would be sooo pissed off right now.

PokerStars Game #69880932211: Tournament #463083730, $1.08+$0.27+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2011/11/02 9:06:53 AEST [2011/11/01 18:06:53 ET]
Table '463083730 8' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: mishapro07 (1860 in chips)
Seat 3: Zubermann (4240 in chips)
Seat 4: siulmoura (8415 in chips)
Seat 6: MACNO7 (4533 in chips)
Seat 7: coopster_001 (1755 in chips)
Seat 8: Zizfdp (4233 in chips)
Seat 9: suecofull (4196 in chips)
coopster_001: posts small blind 75
Zizfdp: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coopster_001 [Kh Ks]
suecofull: folds
mishapro07: folds
Zubermann: folds
siulmoura: folds
MACNO7: folds
coopster_001: raises 1605 to 1755 and is all-in
Zizfdp: calls 1605
*** FLOP *** [9h Ts Th]
*** TURN *** [9h Ts Th] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [9h Ts Th 9s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coopster_001: shows [Kh Ks] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Zizfdp: shows [5s Tc] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
Zizfdp collected 3510 from pot
Zizfdp wins the $0.27 bounty for eliminating coopster_001
coopster_001 finished the tournament in 29th place
MACNO7 said, "psss"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3510 | Rake 0
Board [9h Ts Th 9s Jh]
Seat 2: mishapro07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Zubermann folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: siulmoura folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MACNO7 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: coopster_001 (small blind) showed [Kh Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 8: Zizfdp (big blind) showed [5s Tc] and won (3510) with a full house, Tens full of Nines
Seat 9: suecofull folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Parra]

If you think these companies wont risk it all by cheating then do a search for Absolute Poker and see what happened there.

Not by rigging the number generators though.

Being cheated by colluders is what you need to worry about. Pokerstars are proactive in this regard. None of the other sites come close, if they do anything at all.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Stars are the best site, period. I have no doubt about that.

But in truth, that's like saying the Mafia is the best of crime organisations.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Pokerstars = Groundhog day.

PokerStars Game #69937081426: Tournament #463582330, $1.08+$0.27+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2011/11/03 10:41:36 AEST [2011/11/02 19:41:36 ET]
Table '463582330 6' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: shaggyr82 (7284 in chips)
Seat 2: Inurbrain (11806 in chips)
Seat 3: coopster_001 (1405 in chips)
Seat 4: cosmaramo85 (14577 in chips)
Seat 6: Anton692 (5493 in chips)
Seat 7: SITIAR (6760 in chips)
Seat 9: zegoiabaa (4606 in chips)
Inurbrain: posts small blind 100
coopster_001: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coopster_001 [4s Ts]
cosmaramo85: calls 200
Anton692: folds
SITIAR: folds
zegoiabaa: folds
shaggyr82: folds
Inurbrain: folds
coopster_001: checks
*** FLOP *** [Td 4c 3s]
coopster_001: bets 1205 and is all-in
cosmaramo85: calls 1205
*** TURN *** [Td 4c 3s] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Td 4c 3s Jd] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coopster_001: shows [4s Ts] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
cosmaramo85: shows [5c 5s] (three of a kind, Fives)
cosmaramo85 collected 2910 from pot
cosmaramo85 wins the $0.27 bounty for eliminating coopster_001
coopster_001 finished the tournament in 22nd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2910 | Rake 0
Board [Td 4c 3s Jd 5h]
Seat 1: shaggyr82 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Inurbrain (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: coopster_001 (big blind) showed [4s Ts] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: cosmaramo85 showed [5c 5s] and won (2910) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 6: Anton692 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: SITIAR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: zegoiabaa folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

It comes down to logic. Do you really think companies that make lots of money would do things like this, for what? Increasing their profits by 1%? When if caught they could be shut down and lose everything?

Today I played two $7 sng's, in both I made it to heads up play with the smaller stack, in one I came second. All in with top pair and an ace kicker on the flop, he makes the flush on the river. On the other table I won even though I was behind.

It's random. I find it hard to believe a company would risk their successful brand and their entire business on something like that. If you really are suspicious, try contacting the appropriate authorities. If there is something to it and enough people complain they'll investigate and see if there is something suss happening.

I'll bet all of the money I made today ($29+17= $46) that they use a program that is completely and entirely random.

Really, random?

The fact that the programs are written means that there is pre-dertiminence involved.

The programs don't write themselves.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Random... LOL

PokerStars Game #69939458912: Tournament #460207535, $0.10+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/11/03 11:37:57 AEST [2011/11/02 20:37:57 ET]
Table '460207535 55' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: CLUBBERBLOW (11070 in chips)
Seat 2: coopster_001 (990 in chips)
Seat 3: mito623 (2475 in chips)
Seat 4: Natkat1972 (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: Evlz Light. (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: flarran1 (1955 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: LVL77 (1815 in chips)
Seat 8: LPdevil (3390 in chips)
Seat 9: sof21_uru (1765 in chips)
CLUBBERBLOW: posts small blind 50
coopster_001: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coopster_001 [8c 8s]
mito623: raises 100 to 200
Natkat1972: folds
Evlz Light.: folds
flarran1: folds
LVL77: calls 200
LPdevil: folds
sof21_uru: calls 200
CLUBBERBLOW: folds
coopster_001: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Jc 8d 5d]
coopster_001: checks
mito623: checks
LVL77: checks
sof21_uru: bets 200
flarran1 has returned
coopster_001: raises 400 to 600
mito623: folds
LVL77: calls 600
sof21_uru: folds
*** TURN *** [Jc 8d 5d] [7s]
coopster_001: bets 190 and is all-in
LVL77: calls 190
*** RIVER *** [Jc 8d 5d 7s] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coopster_001: shows [8c 8s] (three of a kind, Eights)
LVL77: shows [9d Td] (a flush, Ten high)
LVL77 collected 2630 from pot
coopster_001 finished the tournament in 640th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2630 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 8d 5d 7s 4d]
Seat 1: CLUBBERBLOW (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: coopster_001 (big blind) showed [8c 8s] and lost with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 3: mito623 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Natkat1972 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Evlz Light. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: flarran1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LVL77 showed [9d Td] and won (2630) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 8: LPdevil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: sof21_uru (button) folded on the Flop