Jdb case

[FlameThrower]

And the best way to avoid people talking about it is to bump the thread to the top..

Then take it down ...

 

[TruSaint]

The outcome of all his charges in his criminal matter will be not guilty.

I appreciate the reply.
For JDB's sake I hope you are correct.

Thats a huge call to make, so I can only assume you know something that we all don't.
For me, I hope justice is served.
Either way.

 

[dragonreddy]

Dennis the pack of Wankers have stated they see him as a career coach, whilst us poor fans see him as a rear coach.....i.e a pain in the arse!

I'm guessing they meant to say career DESTROYING coach.
Obviously the secretary taking shorthand missed that vital word .

 

[RedV Resurgence]

interesting that they applied additional charges and then make it clear that a discount is available for a early guilty plea.

This is likely the DPP realising they don't have such a solid case. They would not he applying additional charges at this stage or offering discount if they were really confident. I think Beattie and Gallop and the ARL board are going to look like the idiots they really are.

 

[muzby]

They would not he applying additional charges at this stage or offering discount if they were really confident.

FMD..

They offer a discount not to try and secure a conviction that they don’t think they’re likely to get..

The offer a discount not just to save the time and cost involved in a court case, but more importantly to save any extra pressure on the alleged victim having to go through the trauma of the case..

 

[RedV Resurgence]

FMD..

They offer a discount not to try and secure a conviction that they don’t think they’re likely to get..

The offer a discount not just to save the time and cost involved in a court case, but more importantly to save any extra pressure on the alleged victim having to go through the trauma of the case..

Lets see how this progresses

 

[Old Timer]

interesting that they applied additional charges and then make it clear that a discount is available for a early guilty plea.

This is likely the DPP realising they don't have such a solid case. They would not he applying additional charges at this stage or offering discount if they were really confident. I think Beattie and Gallop and the ARL board are going to look like the idiots they really are.

The discount for the early guilty plea is about saving time and money and importantly the defendant (if he/she is found guilty) showing remorse prior to a trial.
If no remorse is shown prior to a conviction being handed down then there is no discount re sentencing and the full weight of the law applies.

 

[possm]

The discount for the early guilty plea is about saving time and money and importantly the defendant (if he/she is found guilty) showing remorse prior to a trial.
If no remorse is shown prior to a conviction being handed down then there is no discount re sentencing and the full weight of the law applies.

The additional charges and the discount indicates to me exactly what I posted previously. The case is not as strong as the DPP would like it to be.

 

[Old Timer]

The additional charges and the discount indicates to me exactly what I posted previously. The case is not as strong as the DPP would like it to be.

You obviously have no idea as to how the judicial system actually works.
These types of happening are the norm and are no indication whatsoever as to the strength/weakness of the DPP case.
For the record, once the briefs of evidence are actually clarified and affidavits taken it is not uncommon for what were in the beginning "general" charges to be then broken up into much more "specific" charges.

 

[muzby]

You obviously have no idea as to how the judicial system actually works.
These types of happening are the norm and are no indication whatsoever as to the strength/weakness of the DPP case.
For the record, once the briefs of evidence are actually clarified and affidavits taken it is not uncommon for what were in the beginning "general" charges to be then broken up into much more "specific" charges.

Exactly..

There are folk on here thinking it’s some kind of business negotiation where you put in a few trade offs and start with sn extreme position they you negotiate back from..

 

[possm]

You obviously have no idea as to how the judicial system actually works.
These types of happening are the norm and are no indication whatsoever as to the strength/weakness of the DPP case.
For the record, once the briefs of evidence are actually clarified and affidavits taken it is not uncommon for what were in the beginning "general" charges to be then broken up into much more "specific" charges.

The case is progressing and yes it appears that there are weak points in the DPP's original case. That is the only reason the additional charges added. This was to strengthen the DPP position in the case that the original charges are not successful. Why else would the DPP add lesser charges to the case? The discount for a guilty plea is a regular occurrence and yes it could/should be to do the things you mentioned in your post however, it could also be because the prosecution case has become weaker.

My history is that I have never been charged with any crime and do not have experience in court matters personally. However, I do have a friend who was charged and convicted of rape and later found to be not guilty on appeal when the 'victim' admitted that she did consent but later felt bad because the activity did not achieve what she wanted; a commitment to a long term relationship with the man she wanted to be with.

 

[muzby]

The case is progressing and yes it appears that there are weak points in the DPP's original case. That is the only reason the additional charges added.

Have you been drinking?

Genuine question.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Exactly..

There are folk on here thinking it’s some kind of business negotiation where you put in a few trade offs and start with sn extreme position they you negotiate back from..

Correct.

Let me just put my barista’s hat on and say you and old timer are spot on.

 

[TruSaint]

The case is progressing and yes it appears that there are weak points in the DPP's original case. That is the only reason the additional charges added. This was to strengthen the DPP position in the case that the original charges are not successful. Why else would the DPP add lesser charges to the case? The discount for a guilty plea is a regular occurrence and yes it could/should be to do the things you mentioned in your post however, it could also be because the prosecution case has become weaker.

My history is that I have never been charged with any crime and do not have experience in court matters personally. However, I do have a friend who was charged and convicted of rape and later found to be not guilty on appeal when the 'victim' admitted that she did consent but later felt bad because the activity did not achieve what she wanted; a commitment to a long term relationship with the man she wanted to be with.

The DPP did not lay LESSER charges mate... Please

The 2 additional charges were " aggravated sexual assault " or " rape" ..

SAME as the original charge. To assume the DPP has a weaker case, as you suggest doesnt stack up.

Quote

" The Mercury exclusively revealed on Wednesday morning that police have since laid two additional rape charges against de Belin."

 

[possm]

The DPP did not lay LESSER charges mate... Please

The 2 additional charges were " aggravated sexual assault " or " rape" ..

SAME as the original charge. To assume the DPP has a weaker case, as you suggest doesnt stack up.

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" The Mercury exclusively revealed on Wednesday morning that police have since laid two additional rape charges against de Belin."

The original charges in layman's terms were a gang rape charge. The additional two charges relate to 'rape'. This indicates to me part of the victims story maybe difficult to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

In the next moves, the original charges will be dropped or if not they will fall short at trial and the case will continue under the new charges.

 

[Miller was a legend]

The original charges in layman's terms were a gang rape charge. The additional two charges relate to 'rape'. This indicates to me part of the victims story maybe difficult to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

In the next moves, the original charges will be dropped or if not they will fall short at trial and the case will continue under the new charges.

Don’t really see much difference between rape and rape in company, apart from maybe if the prosecution cannot prove the other fella participated, it leaves them with the latest charge.

Normal for charges to be laid like this

 

[TruSaint]

The original charges in layman's terms were a gang rape charge. The additional two charges relate to 'rape'. This indicates to me part of the victims story maybe difficult to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

In the next moves, the original charges will be dropped or if not they will fall short at trial and the case will continue under the new charges.

Why wasn't the second defendant charged with the additional rape charges ?

 

[Miller was a legend]

Why wasn't the second defendant charged with the additional rape charges ?

Bingo

 

[George Dragon]

Why wasn't the second defendant charged with the additional rape charges ?

He was charged with one additional.
And clearly it would depend on what each defendant did.

 

[TruSaint]

No he wasnt...

JDB has 3 and Sinclair 1.

" Prosecutors told the court the four charges - three against de Belin and one against Sinclair - had now been formally certified by the Director of Public Prosecutions and both cases could now proceed to a "case conference", where lawyers for both parties will meet to discuss the issues in dispute and make formal pleas offers if practical."