Knights V Dragons Match Discussion

[antonius]

Well Antonius, I'm not sure what you're getting at? Of course we want everyone to be consistent! No matter where they are playing.

Rogers can be inconsistent. Dureau can be inconsistent. So what wins out? In my opinion class and skill and hope for the best.

Our halves need consistency more than anything. Not debating that.

My last post wasn't merely aimed at you either.

I'm not getting at anything. I haven't heaped any sh*t on Rogers in this thread at all, I've just said I don't see him being any better an option than Dureau, and yes I prefer Dureau in the side at 7. No Dureau doesn't smile at me and I have no desire for him to hold my hand. As I said earlier, I predicted Rogers to be a good buy at the start of the season, so I have no agenda against the bloke, I just don't think he's the best option ATM, you do, so lets leave it there, the debate for me has run it's course.

 

[Karmawave]

Can someone please justify to me, WHY should we change a winning team that won a game away from home as massive underdogs?

The same team, thats been playing its best footy in the last few weeks ( NOT JUST LAST NIGHT ), with Rogers/Mullen playing in the halves even when Dureau has been in the team.

If we were losing, I'd understand, but we are winning games.

Why do people want to change the team?

 

[League_God]

i think the best thing we can do is

6.mullen
7.scotty

12.zeb
13.hilder

14.rogers


mullen and scotty will get the job done 8/10 times, however if we are lacking in the halves throw rogers on at 5/8 and mullo at half and rogers will be able to do the risky stuff that can potentially win us the game. also if the halves are doing the job, rogers can be used in the backrow and told to tackle his heart out.

 

[Karmawave]

Yeah, lets just change a winning combo!

 

[League_God]

Can someone please justify to me, WHY should we change a winning team that won a game away from home as massive underdogs?

The same team, thats been playing its best footy in the last few weeks ( NOT JUST LAST NIGHT ), with Rogers/Mullen playing in the halves even when Dureau has been in the team.

If we were losing, I'd understand, but we are winning games.

Why do people want to change the team?

you make a good point. however i still think what i said is the best thing for the team.

 

[CJG 182]

Half of Karma's bitching in the other thread was aimed at me and was pure hypocrisy.

He whinges, bitches, complains alllll day long if Dureau when he can. And praises Rogers to hell and back when he misses tackles, gives away penalties and surrenders the ball cheaply time after time IMO.

Must be because Rogers gave you a smile at a game?

Or maybe because you rate him more than Dureau?
Similar to how I don't rate Rogers and prefer Dureau because I think it's best for the team.

Get the f**k over yourself, people have different opinions.

 

[Karmawave]

And not enough ' fans ' can come in here and wrap a bloke when they've played well like Rogers did for the most part last night!

Not enough ' fans ' want the Knights to win no matter who plays! So what if Rogers played over Dureau - WE WON!

That's the difference between you and me CJG.

If Dureau plays well ,I'm the first bloke in here wrapping him and thanking him for the KNIGHTS WINNING A GAME.

What fan in their right mind wants to change a winning combination?

A d*ckhead fan, thats who.

Dureau might be the better option eventually! But let the current combo mess up first.

 

[Rodent]

Well done to the Knights for getting the 2 points. You were good enough to avail yourselves of the opportunities presented and that's all you have to do.
Talk of the dragons being the "benchmark" may have had some credibility looking at past performances but last night our defence was well down on what it's been. Sau's great individual effort was where Wendell Sailor was before going off injured. He beat Nightingale who normally plays on the opposite wing.
Rogers' line break that put MacDougall in was a poor defensive read by Chase Stanley who was banished to Shellharbour for his poor defence after round 1 only to come back for the Knights game due to injuries. He won't be in 1st grade again. De Gois' try was a good effort exposing a tired reserve grader in Thorby. Losing Priddis and Sailor during the game really hurt us on top of missing Matt Cooper, Weyman and Costigan.
I'm aware the Knights were missing players too but the steely dragons defence present in the opening 5 rounds was nowhere to be seen last night.
I'm sure the Knights can play a lot better too but just don't measure your performance against what Saints have been doing in previous weeks.

 

[Alex28]

I'm a fan of Dureau...and while he is consistent and level headed, he lacks the confidence to try some things that Rogers has a go at. The one thing you can say about Rogers is that he will back himself in having a go, no matter what the result or what flack he'll cop for doing it. Yes he has done some silly stuff, but he has also done some brilliant stuff and to be honest I don't know how many of the last 3 games we would have won without him.

We have two halves in Dureau and Mullen that would prefer to attack as a unit rather than going out on a limb and trying something different. We need that added spark that Rogers is adding at the moment.

 

[Whats Doing]

There is no doubt there is a lot of bias against Rogers where the same comments are not directed towards other players who made more serious errors that actually cost points than Rogers did last night which wasn't that bad considering where the play was at the time.

While everyone has a different viewpoint, what is required is consistency in debate. There has been not one bagging of any player other than Rogers where far worse mistakes were made which actually cost the knights points than Rogers chip kicking on their 30 metre line which, whilst not the best play to put on, was not that risky.

The team overall played very well and all contributed to the win that was not expected. I am sure Dureau would have played well last night but Rogers, who was given the MOM, was not my best player but was sheer brilliant at times.

Whilst I don't have problems with people expressing opinions on not rating players, I do have problems when people are not objective irrespective how a player performs and just continues to bag a player when there were worse mistakes made by others costing points but are swept under the carpet to suit hidden agendas.

 

[macavity]

What fan in their right mind wants to change a winning combination?

so, Karawana keeps his place when Simmo is fit, then?

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Hey all. Just wanted to drop in and say congrats on a really good win last night. You soaked up a lot of pressure and were good enough to score points when you got your limited field position.

I'd say a very good win with your back to the ropes for most of it, counter punching beautifully.

Well done. Knights are a very good team to watch & Mullen has gone to another level this year.

 

[Whats Doing]

Hey all. Just wanted to drop in and say congrats on a really good win last night. You soaked up a lot of pressure and were good enough to score points when you got your limited field position.

I'd say a very good win with your back to the ropes for most of it, counter punching beautifully.

Well done. Knights are a very good team to watch & Mullen has gone to another level this year.

Thanks champ. The Dragons without a few star players showed they will be in the mix at the end of the year.

 

[Big Tim]

Can someone please justify to me, WHY should we change a winning team that won a game away from home as massive underdogs?

The same team, thats been playing its best footy in the last few weeks ( NOT JUST LAST NIGHT ), with Rogers/Mullen playing in the halves even when Dureau has been in the team.

If we were losing, I'd understand, but we are winning games.

Why do people want to change the team?

I cant believe Smith changed a winning team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dureau has been the starting halfback in our last two wins!!!

He has no idea and should be sacked immediately! Who's with me?????





Honestly mate, the "winning formula" argument is pathetic.

Rogers give us attacking flair, Dureau executes a gameplan. Rogers and Mullen were always going to be the halves against the Dragons, just like they will against the Sharks and the Bulldogs (provided they are all fit)

You wont, and cant split them. Both are role-players. You just seem to think that because Rogers role is to play ad-lib that he is better. IMO Rogers = Dureau



Also a question for Pika: Was Houston penalised for half-tackling a support runner? That happens several times a game and I have never seen a guy be awarded a penalty when the ball didnt even leave the hands of his team mate. That was the worst decision of the season IMO.

I actually saw a similar thing happen 3 times in the Eagles/Rabbits game without penalty, and I wasnt even really watching the game.

 

[Alex28]

There is no doubt there is a lot of bias against Rogers where the same comments are not directed towards other players who made more serious errors that actually cost points than Rogers did last night which wasn't that bad considering where the play was at the time.

While everyone has a different viewpoint, what is required is consistency in debate. There has been not one bagging of any player other than Rogers where far worse mistakes were made which actually cost the knights points than Rogers chip kicking on their 30 metre line which, whilst not the best play to put on, was not that risky.

The team overall played very well and all contributed to the win that was not expected. I am sure Dureau would have played well last night but Rogers, who was given the MOM, was not my best player but was sheer brilliant at times.

Whilst I don't have problems with people expressing opinions on not rating players, I do have problems when people are not objective irrespective how a player performs and just continues to bag a player when there were worse mistakes made by others costing points but are swept under the carpet to suit hidden agendas.

Also, he is an easy target to blame. He isn't rated by anybody, so when things go wrong it is easy to get in to him. I mean Patterson's error which lead to the Dragon's second try right on half time last night was potentially much worse than Roger's chip attempt. Nobody blew up about that at all.

Nobody is perfect on the field. Players make errors - both handling and in judgement. If he makes errors in having a go rather than making errors giving away dumb penalties then there is no issue with me.

 

[Alex28]

Rogers give us attacking flair, Dureau executes a gameplan. Rogers and Mullen were always going to be the halves against the Dragons, just like they will against the Sharks and the Bulldogs (provided they are all fit)

You wont, and cant split them. Both are role-players. You just seem to think that because Rogers role is to play ad-lib that he is better. IMO Rogers = Dureau

I actually thought this as well...but is it really Dureau executing the game plan or is it Mullen and Gidley running the show? I don't think we need Dureau executing anything - we have two brilliant players in 1 and 6 to do that. We need that added spark, that attacking flair and I can't see Dureau doing that. I think we suffer a bit at times from too many thinkers and not enough doers. In Mullen/Rogers we have a thinker and a doer. In Mullen/Dureau I think we have a couple of thinkers...

 

[Apey]

FMD you're a virus Karma :lol: We win and you still want to turn it into one of your bitchfests.

Really happy with the win though.. wooohoooo!

 

[Karmawave]

so, Karawana keeps his place when Simmo is fit, then?

Don't be dumb Macca.


You are comparing a regular starting international footballer second rower who has been out with injury, to messing with the halves combination that is fully fit and winning games.


That's a massive clutch, even for you.

 

[Karmawave]

I cant believe Smith changed a winning team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dureau has been the starting halfback in our last two wins!!!

Yeah, fortunately coach only used him for 30 minutes so we could look great and win games in the final 50.

I guess he decided he wanted us to play at that level for the full 80 this week ;-)

And just to end the debate about my opinion of Dureau vs Rogers with one statement - I THINK THEY ARE BOTH AWFUL FOOTBALLERS AT NRL LEVEL AND IF EITHER ARE OUR FUTURE, WE ARE STUGGLING.

Don't mistake what I'm saying for being PRO ROGERS. He has plenty of match winning and game changing class though which the other doesn't possess at NRL level so he'll do for now.

 

[General Knight]

The reason why Rogers cops it so heavily (even by me) for each error he does compared to other players (like Pato's error last night and a few others) is because he does it every week. If he could just limit it to once every few games instead of every game I would have no problems with him starting in the halves.