LJCs 'Delusions'

[miguel de cervantes]

I thought it was a boring and pointless discussion tbh.

LJC, yes Union has used it's power and influence to purposely squash League's growth over the last century +.

No, no one would care other than the people who already do if you publicised it as much as you'd like. The vast majority of sports fans couldn't give a f**k.


The fact is that it would be irrelevant in the here and now if Rugby League didn't continually shoot itself in the foot and spend more time squabbling over small-time issues instead of focusing on growth.

If the RLIF was given any sort of money or power or respect from within the game itself this would be a non-issue. RU treats us like dirt because people within RL allow it.

Very much this. Not so sure about the majority of sports fans. I think it should at least be made known what union have historically done because it is very much in contradiction to a lot of their so called morals, a bit like the Catholic Church in ways.

Can the two arguing moderators take the argument to another more relevant fight club thread?

 

[magpie_man]

Nikoro was a talented schoolboy, both on the sports fields of Auckland's Mount Albert Grammar and in the classroom where he wanted to move into a higher maths stream.
His maths master was happy to accept him - but the teacher was also the school under-15 rugby coach and suggested that a switch from league to union might smooth the way.

Why did he have to switch? Couldn't he have played both and still had a "smooth" way into this maths stream?

 

[crimpo]

If that story is true the teacher should be switched to the unemployment office

 

[BODISGOD]

Sure you have "mates"... keep on telling yourself that.

It's cute.

The GAA in Ireland did everything they could for years to repress all non "Irish" sports. They banned people from playing those sports, banned the use of government funded facilities for other sports (they still do), they kicked a founding member of the Gaelic League (a cultural association wedded to the GAA) out from the GAA when he became President of Ireland because he went to a soccer match.....I could go on

Has this been publicised? Yes

Do people give a f**k? No

Jim Thorpe's Olympic records still aren't recognised by the Olympic committee?

It’s commonly believed that Thorpe at last received Olympic justice in October of 1982 when the IOC bowed to years of public pressure and delivered two replica medals to his family, announcing, “The name of James Thorpe will be added to the list of athletes who were crowned Olympic champions at the 1912 Games.” What’s less commonly known is that the IOC appended this small, mean sentence: “However, the official report for these Games will not be modified.”

In other words, the IOC refused even to acknowledge Thorpe’s results in the 15 events he competed in. To this day the Olympic record does not mention them. The IOC also refused to demote Wieslander and the other runners-up from their elevated medal status. Wieslander’s results stand as the official winning tally. Thorpe was merely a co-champion, with no numerical evidence of his overwhelming superiority. This is no small thing. It made Thorpe an asterisk, not a champion. It was lip service, not restitution.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-are-jim-thorpes-olympic-records-still-not-recognized-130986336/#tjOd6s9cFhU2mRSX.99


Does the general public really care? No

Does the public in the United States really care that college athletes are unpaid and despite this, the colleges treat the amateur sports as commercial beasts that line the pockets of the university?

Do they care about academic fraud? No

Has the general public abandoned the NFL (in the wake of concussions and the cover up), the MLB (in the wake of rampant drug abuse and cover ups)...?

Don't think so.

Outside a few interested observers, the vast majority do not care for these things.

Dozens of articles during the Rugby World Cup referencing small time disputes between some rugby league and rugby union officials have done nothing to stop people watching.

It's the same old same old. Nobody cares outside a few of us.

 

[Te Kaha]

You can call it what you like Te Kaha as you revert to definitions in your attempt to defend your twisted argument.

And you still haven't worked out the difference between genuine market based approaches (which is the basic rationale of RL talent scouts)as opposed to the bigoted treatment against the playing of a particular sport, that being RL, within an educational institution which should be open and impartial.

Using various terms to weasel out of defending the core message is a proven tact for people of your persuasion and bigotry. It's pretty obvious their is a pattern of repression against the acceptance of RL within the scholastic system of NZ.

Call a spade a spade instead of waffling away seeking some sort of respectability in what has had and is still happening to the code of rugby league which deserves so much better!

Do you acknowledge that their is some alarming examples of repression of RL elsewhere? If so, we are getting somewhere.

When you grow up and provide some facts THEN maybe I will get back to you. Until you drop your moronic global conspiracy theory I will continue to treat you with the derision you deserve.

 

[LJC]

When you grow up and provide some facts THEN maybe I will get back to you. Until you drop your moronic global conspiracy theory I will continue to treat you with the derision you deserve.

Quite a retreat for a person with the facts available on this site?
Hope you're cozy in your insulated establishment world of bigotry.

Keep having the chardonnay or Pimms with your toffee nosed, Nazi collaborationist friends from the North Shore of Sydney or any other affluent suburb of Australia. Therein lies the flow on effect of the closed house sports policy(can't wait for the definitions response) against RL of private schools in Australia and in most places around the world.

The demographic of RL players is largely limited to people with mostly low socio-economic background and we don't wonder why? Something to do with RL's access, or lack of, to the education systems around the world? "Shear coincidence" responds the RU bigot happy in his deceitful squalor and denial.

 

[LJC]

It's cute.

The GAA in Ireland did everything they could for years to repress all non "Irish" sports. They banned people from playing those sports, banned the use of government funded facilities for other sports (they still do), they kicked a founding member of the Gaelic League (a cultural association wedded to the GAA) out from the GAA when he became President of Ireland because he went to a soccer match.....I could go on

Has this been publicised? Yes

Do people give a f**k? No

Jim Thorpe's Olympic records still aren't recognised by the Olympic committee?



http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-are-jim-thorpes-olympic-records-still-not-recognized-130986336/#tjOd6s9cFhU2mRSX.99


Does the general public really care? No

Does the public in the United States really care that college athletes are unpaid and despite this, the colleges treat the amateur sports as commercial beasts that line the pockets of the university?

Do they care about academic fraud? No

Has the general public abandoned the NFL (in the wake of concussions and the cover up), the MLB (in the wake of rampant drug abuse and cover ups)...?

Don't think so.

Outside a few interested observers, the vast majority do not care for these things.

Dozens of articles during the Rugby World Cup referencing small time disputes between some rugby league and rugby union officials have done nothing to stop people watching.

It's the same old same old. Nobody cares outside a few of us.

Firstly I'm glad you care!

Have to disagree with the informing of the public logic though.

Knowledge is power!

The general public, meaning the casual sports fan at large, is oblivious to the systematic repression of RL.

People whom have no alignment with RL are astounded at the lack of scholastic access RL actually has, especially , in the private school sector. They(general public) assume that RL gets right of way and is played without any issues. They are dumfounded when the truth is heard! Even showing people articles about what happened and is still happening in France changes their perception and regard for the code of RU.

Letting the general public know of this reality that dominates the landscape for a sport such as RL can do the code no harm and will further expose the dodgy code of RU for what it truly is: a farce!

 

[Te Kaha]

Quite a retreat for a person with the facts available on this site?
Hope you're cozy in your insulated establishment world of bigotry.

Keep having the chardonnay or Pimms with your toffee nosed, Nazi collaborationist friends from the North Shore of Sydney or any other affluent suburb of Australia. Therein lies the flow on effect of the closed house sports policy(can't wait for the definitions response) against RL of private schools in Australia and in most places around the world.

The demographic of RL players is largely limited to people with mostly of low socio-economic background and we don't wonder why? Something to do with RL's access, or lack of, to the education systems around the world? "Shear coincidence" responds the RU bigot happy in his deceitful squalor and denial.

Irony is not your friend, calling someone a bigot in a post that shows you are more bigoted then I could ever be.

How anybody cold have "Nazi collaborationist friends" when the Nazis were killed off over 60 years ago, well before practically anybody on this site was even born.

Your delusion shows no bounds.

 

[Te Kaha]

Firstly I'm glad you care!

Have to disagree with the informing of the public logic though.

Knowledge is power!

The general public, meaning the casual sports fan at large, is oblivious to the systematic repression of RL.

People whom have no alignment with RL are astounded at the lack of scholastic access RL actually has, especially , in the private school sector. They(general public) assume that RL gets right of way and is played without any issues. They are dumfounded when the truth is heard! Even showing people articles about what happened and is still happening in France changes their perception and regard for the code of RU.

Letting the general public know of this reality that dominates the landscape for a sport such as RL can do the code no harm and will further expose the dodgy code of RU for what it truly is: a farce!

There you go again about your "private school" shtick... applying it to other countries without any knowledge what so ever of other countries "private school" set ups are... hell.. private school doesn't even mean the same thing in different countries... You are an idiot.

 

[LJC]

There you go again about your "private school" shtick... applying it to other countries without any knowledge what so ever of other countries "private school" set ups are... hell.. private school doesn't even mean the same thing in different countries... You are an idiot.

Your definitions arguments are your way of squirming out of embarrassing telltale holes.

Other people can see that you are extremely insular and get personal when you have no credible comeback.

If you don't think that RL is being repressed by the code of RU in various ways then so be it.

Go chat with your RU associates not time waste people whom are intent on proactively improving the plight and circumstance that RL deals with in todays' reality. No conspiracy there Te Kaha. It's pretty obvious that one code is getting all the privileges and the other struggles for acceptance and access.(Cant wait for the pathetic response!)

 

[Te Kaha]

Your definitions arguments are your way of squirming out of embarrassing telltale holes.

Other people can see that you are extremely insular and get personal when you have no credible comeback.

If you don't think that RL is being repressed by the code of RU in various ways then so be it.

Go chat with your RU associates not time waste people whom are intent on proactively improving the plight and circumstance that RL deals with in todays' reality. No conspiracy there Te Kaha. It's pretty obvious that one code is getting all the privileges and the other struggles for acceptance and access.(Cant wait for the pathetic response!)

No squirming here... just showing up your inadequacies... going to throw around any more Nazi accusations? you seem to like that one.

 

[LJC]

No squirming here... just showing up your inadequacies... going to throw around any more Nazi accusations? you seem to like that one.

Perhaps you like it? As your thinking is very much fascist in principle! The RU administrators and friends in high places are already of that ilk, so I suppose it's a good fit for you Te Kaha?

If you like you can become more democratic and genuinely support the more democratic code of rugby league, then try and help it. (I am joking if you can work that out?)

Even if its for the benefit of our youth! After all, a player has more chance of tackling and running with the ball in RL than RU? In fact, on average, about 600 tackles/runs per game in 80 minutes of RL in total, compared to RU's 150. Even that statistic shows the inadequacies of the RU code backed by deceitful bigots.

 

[Coastbloke]

This is why I don't post Hutch.
Thread is totally hijacked and Admins let it happen.
Will post again in another few years..

 

[adamkungl]

This is why I don't post Hutch.
Thread is totally hijacked and Admins let it happen.
Will post again in another few years..

Decent enough thread before this boring fight started.

 

[Te Kaha]

Perhaps you like it? As your thinking is very much fascist in principle! The RU administrators and friends in high places are already of that ilk, so I suppose it's a good fit for you Te Kaha?

If you like you can become more democratic and genuinely support the more democratic code of rugby league, then try and help it. (I am joking if you can work that out?)

Even if its for the benefit of our youth! After all, a player has more chance of tackling and running with the ball in RL than RU? In fact, on average, about 600 tackles/runs per game in 80 minutes of RL in total, compared to RU's 150. Even that statistic shows the inadequacies of the RU code backed by deceitful bigots.

Seriously? are you that big of a moron? 600 "tackles" does not equal 600 "runs" when league tackle stats count each person in a tackle be it one or four as an individual tackle. Arguing over the merits of a game is pointless since individual preference comes in.

And as others have mentioned as this thread is hijacked I think it needs to be split.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Why are Vichy trolls running this forum?

 

[LJC]

Seriously? are you that big of a moron? 600 "tackles" does not equal 600 "runs" when league tackle stats count each person in a tackle be it one or four as an individual tackle. Arguing over the merits of a game is pointless since individual preference comes in.

And as others have mentioned as this thread is hijacked I think it needs to be split.

Firstly I'm disappointed about this thread being called what it is. But that's par for the course. Rude but shit happens!

You're a proper drop kick Te Kaha!
Fancy denying all the information of examples of repression on the sport of RL within this folder. It's sad, as a genuinely decent sport with immense potential is being held back and dudes like yourself just keep propping up the very deceitful and influential status quo that propagates RU in so many ways.

It's obvious by the naming of the thread that I'm on the outer with someone in this website. Perhaps it's your doing? Te Kaha.


A low act but consistent with the way you think! I'm a big enough person to cop the insult are you?

If this naming of the thread isn't the doing of Te Kaha I'd appreciate an improvement in the name. Perhaps "The struggles of Rugby League" > But at the moment the name is very disappointing and not open minded whatsoever. A rude call by whomever!

 

[madunit]

Not too many private"league" schools in Australia champ! Most of them are being predicated upon by rugby union influences as the days go by! Strangely, most private schools in NSW & QLD are taking up AFL? Perhaps a "sweetheart deal" has been made between the codes of RU & AFL to attack RL playing ranks in NSW & QLD. As I never hear of any private school playing union ever accepting RL into their curriculum! Same field dimensions in their luxurious grounds as well, so don't tell me they haven't got the room!!Given that RL is the most popular code in NSW & QLD I find this fact amazing and a reflection of the bigotry you defend so ignorantly.
I suggest you find a suitable website? A rugby union website is your go.

How would you say Rugby Union is faring in Australia, compared to say Rugby League, as a whole?

 

[Te Kaha]

Firstly I'm disappointed about this thread being called what it is. But that's par for the course. Rude but shit happens!

You're a proper drop kick Te Kaha!
Fancy denying all the information of examples of repression on the sport of RL within this folder. It's sad, as a genuinely decent sport with immense potential is being held back and dudes like yourself just keep propping up the very deceitful and influential status quo that propagates RU in so many ways.

It's obvious by the naming of the thread that I'm on the outer with someone in this website. Perhaps it's your doing? Te Kaha.


A low act but consistent with the way you think! I'm a big enough person to cop the insult are you?

If this naming of the thread isn't the doing of Te Kaha I'd appreciate an improvement in the name. Perhaps "The struggles of Rugby League" > But at the moment the name is very disappointing and not open minded whatsoever. A rude call by whomever!

Wahhh wahh wahh.... the thread title is apt because your conspiracy theory is delusion.

 

[expansionist]

embrace your 'delusions' LJC.