Matautia contract updates

[Knight Vision]

We should have plenty. Mason, Cuthbo, McKinnon, Boyd, Waddell, Packer etc Who else???

Hilder, Mantellato, Tahu

 

[macavity]

Sounds like the boys want to stay and their manager wants them to go.

So they are going then.

 

[Knight Vision]

“They were distraught about it,” Gidley claimed.
“We were having a chat about everything and then they just came out with: “We’ve signed something’.
“I’d been waiting for a reply from their manager to our most recent offer for them so it blindsided me a bit.”


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...hts-for-bulldogs/story-fnp0lyn3-1227075678463

Kidley should get his shit together. I dont want a CEO who get f**king blindsided a bit

 

[Nuffy]

The interesting point is that their manager was involved with the Bankstown JRLFC which would have very strong affiliation with the Bulldogs.

I wonder whether old loyalties are trying to deliver the brothers to the Dogs at the expense of everyone else.

If you take the quotes at face value, it does seem like the manager isn't dealing straight with the club.

 

[Nuffy]

?They were distraught about it,? Gidley claimed.
?We were having a chat about everything and then they just came out with: ?We?ve signed something?.
?I?d been waiting for a reply from their manager to our most recent offer for them so it blindsided me a bit.?


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...hts-for-bulldogs/story-fnp0lyn3-1227075678463

Kidley should get his shit together. I dont want a CEO who get f**king blindsided a bit

This is the worry, he's a babe in the woods for all this stuff and I have zero faith in Hages.

God I wish we'd keep Mulholland.

 

[The Showstopper]

if Hagan gets the boys to sign on it will be a good start to his career as Football Director. It is a challenge but one he must meet. Maybe it was meant to be this way for him. It will show how much backbone he actually has. How he sells the club to the boys. I am not a big fan of men who let their mothers make decisions for them as adults. If I was hagan I would tell the boys they have an amateur wannabe for a manager who is in it for himself and the glory it brings and they are a commodity to this bloke. Get one of the top line mangers to step in and offer to run the show for them.

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

So that article speculates that the offer for sione is 1.8mil over 4 years. Or 450k a year. That's a lot for an 18 year old who has played 5 or 6 games.

 

[Sydney Knight]

The interesting point is that their manager was involved with the Bankstown JRLFC which would have very strong affiliation with the Bulldogs.

I wonder whether old loyalties are trying to deliver the brothers to the Dogs at the expense of everyone else.

If you take the quotes at face value, it does seem like the manager isn't dealing straight with the club.

I read somewhere he is Pete's under 12s coach from Bankstown before they moved to Ncle. Does he even manage any other players?

 

[Rod]

Yeah that article gives me the impression that their manager is a goose.

Interesting what Midley said about the boys panicking about signing something and then regretting it. Really goes to show what pressure these kids can be put under with all these big dollar contracts flying round.

 

[Noname36]

Honestly I just want those two muppets in Midley and Hagan out. How can we make it happen?

I'm at the point where I figure if the boys have signed elsewhere, let them go. It's ridiculous we've actually let it get to a stage where we now have to try and change their minds.

It's a massive kick in the guts given the time and work we've put into them and I thought they were better than that...but frankly what's done is done. The way I see it, the confirmation they've signed anything from the Dogs is all I need.

By the way I've dealt with their manager many a time at the local level and he's an interesting character to say the least. He looks after his players like the God Father (seriously that's the way he talks) but he's also out to make a name for himself. He never goes down the path of least resistance even if both parties are on the same page and are trying to do the right thing by the player. The rumours of him being involved with Canterbury are 100% true.

 

[Rod]

Honestly I just want those two muppets in Midley and Hagan out. How can we make it happen?

I'm at the point where I figure if the boys have signed elsewhere, let them go. It's ridiculous we've actually let it get to a stage where we now have to try and change their minds.

It's a massive kick in the guts given the time and work we've put into them and I thought they were better than that...but frankly what's done is done. The way I see it, the confirmation they've signed anything from the Dogs is all I need.

People continue to ignore that Midley has been trying to get this sorted for weeks.

Look I don't want to come across as someone blindly defending our admin because I have my doubts about them myself but I think in this case people are just looking for the first reason to blow up at them. When actually what we've heard about this story so far suggests that Midley has been trying to get this over the line for a while. We even agreed to their manager's terms a few weeks ago.

Sounds like they panicked and signed with a Dogs without basically anyone's knowledge. Apart from tying them down in Midley's office until they sign what should we have done?

 

[Rusty]

I think if the Bulldogs have signed the boys, we have dodged a bullet. Really, the only player that looks promising is Sione. Pat and Chanel are relatively unproven and signing them on massive contracts would have been a risky move by the club. If they don't live up to the hype at the Bulldogs, they'll be dumped on their arse and be asking to come back to the Knights.

 

[Spot On]

People continue to ignore that Midley has been trying to get this sorted for weeks.

Look I don't want to come across as someone blindly defending our admin because I have my doubts about them myself but I think in this case people are just looking for the first reason to blow up at them. When actually what we've heard about this story so far suggests that Midley has been trying to get this over the line for a while. We even agreed to their manager's terms a few weeks ago.

Sounds like they panicked and signed with a Dogs without basically anyone's knowledge. Apart from tying them down in Midley's office until they sign what should we have done?

Looking back the past couple of years at Sione's achievements and reading the posts by forum users in here who were highlighting endlessly how good he could be, it was a no brainer he was going to be in very high demand. The brothers package bullshit thing has made it a little more difficult to negotiate no doubt but we should have been all over Sione a long while ago if this club is serious about developing and maintaining the very best of our junior crops. That said, I don't want to see a Uate style 500K + contract handed out to a kid unless he is the second coming of A. Johns. It's a bit of a balancing act but something this club is unable to get right.

 

[Noname36]

People continue to ignore that Midley has been trying to get this sorted for weeks.

Look I don't want to come across as someone blindly defending our admin because I have my doubts about them myself but I think in this case people are just looking for the first reason to blow up at them. When actually what we've heard about this story so far suggests that Midley has been trying to get this over the line for a while. We even agreed to their manager's terms a few weeks ago.

Sounds like they panicked and signed with a Dogs without basically anyone's knowledge. Apart from tying them down in Midley's office until they sign what should we have done?

It's plain old incompetence whatever way you look at it. Yes, Midley has been trying to get it over the line for months and yet he wasn't able to...with a bunch of kids that from all reports never wanted to leave.

What other CEO would let himself get "blindsided" and have 3 players sign elsewhere without his knowledge? This just wouldn't happen elsewhere. Other CEOs would be in the know, or at the very least would have enough respect from the players to not sign elsewhere without consulting him. It really goes to show how much respect Midley has from the players doesn't it? Forget Darius not bothering to tell him about his trip to Greece, this one trumps that.

Midley is out of his depth and he knows it, hence now coming out on the defensive in the media and saying it's not over because they still have until next year to change their minds. WTF?! A good CEO wouldn't have let it get to a stage where they had to change their minds anyway.

I will always love Gids for what he did for us as a player, but he's not up to it as an administer and if he really loved the club he'd stand down. I'm sure he's great at organising club events and initiatives, etc so I'm fine with him staying on in that type of role...but he clearly doesn't have the skills to deal with this sort of thing and I'm pretty sure Hagan doesn't either.

 

[Sacrolishes]

Noname I get your frustration however this situation was under control until the boys manager decided to go to the dogs and attempt to start a massive bidding war. Midley was well on the way if doing his job of securing the lads to what most likely was a respectable deal for the three boys at their different talent levels. Boys were apparently happy with that but manager clearly wants to blow the $$ out of the water for his own benefit. If he gets them on a huge ridiculous salary then he gets a ridiculous percentage compared to the respectable deal Mids and Hags had probably organized. However this plays out for good or worse M.Gids and Hagan are not directly at fault. The player manager exploding the $$ out of a reasonable amount is the problem.

If They go to Dogs for the rumored amount (1.8m for Sione alone) then financially we'll dodge a bullet. And we'll praise the admin for not bending knee.

 

[Rod]

It's plain old incompetence whatever way you look at it. Yes, Midley has been trying to get it over the line for months and yet he wasn't able to...with a bunch of kids that from all reports never wanted to leave.

What other CEO would let himself get "blindsided" and have 3 players sign elsewhere without his knowledge? This just wouldn't happen elsewhere. Other CEOs would be in the know, or at the very least would have enough respect from the players to not sign elsewhere without consulting him.

Ok, again you're kind of just ignoring what evidence we've been presented with so far and just continuing with the 'it should already be sorted' line, which doesn't really get us anywhere. But anyway, for the sake of argument let's look at it from a different perspective:

Tariq Sims. The club was a disorganised mess around this time with ownership issues and Bennett leaving. It is a deadset miracle that we were able to sign anyone during this period let alone someone who if not for injuries would surely have played Origin by now.

Does Midley get a massive rap for this signing?

 

[Spot On]

It does seem as though the manager is determining the boys future rather than the other way around if the Midley quotes re the boys and there state of mind when he met with them is true. But you have to giggle at Bennett's comments about Sione being a future club captain and Newcastle legend etc no so long ago. Sione has definitely taken little out of that and possibly doesn't feel as strongly for the club as some might have thought. If he did take those words to heart you would think he'd be excited at the possibility of staying on and developing a legacy. So, is it the manager making all the decisions??? Do the boys, in particular Sione have the say or is Sione the only real bargaining chip the 'brothers' have here and they are locking up a bit of value for the other two while they can get it??? Then there's mum.

What do you blokes believe would have been a generous offer from Newcastle for Sione per year???

 

[Noname36]

Ok, again you're kind of just ignoring what evidence we've been presented with so far and just continuing with the 'it should already be sorted' line, which doesn't really get us anywhere. But anyway, for the sake of argument let's look at it from a different perspective:

Tariq Sims. The club was a disorganised mess around this time with ownership issues and Bennett leaving. It is a deadset miracle that we were able to sign anyone during this period let alone someone who if not for injuries would surely have played Origin by now.

Does Midley get a massive rap for this signing?

Um, no.

Stone does for recruiting his younger brother to the club years ago...because let's be honest here, his brother was the only reason he signed here over a Sydney club.

That and Stone making a good impression on him when he coached him for Fiji.

From all reports Bennett also played a big role in getting him to the club and don't forget Mullholland was still here too.

Gidley and Hagan try to re-sign these kids without Bennett and Mullholland and look what happens?

I'll give him credit for re-signing Scott, but honestly Scott is a no nonsense type who from what I heard approached the club himself about an extension. Hell, I could have negotiated that one.

I have no doubts the boys and their manager have made this extremely difficult us...but at the end of the day we're letting ourselves get jerked around by a bloke who isn't really known outside of the local Newcastle competition.

 

[Rod]

So Midley gets no credit for a good signing but all the blame for a non-signing...

At least you acknowledge there are always mitigating circumstances with these things, which is really what I'm getting at. As a result you can work it any way you want to suit your argument. You could lay all the blame at Midley's feet, but that fails to recognize any part that others may be playing in this situation. Their manager, other clubs are playing a part in this just like Korbin played a part in Tariq coming here.

Pretty hard for Midley to get a win when all his signings are supposedly no-brainers that are just black-and-white.

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

What do you blokes believe would have been a generous offer from Newcastle for Sione per year???

For an 18 year old with 6 games under his belt but is a potential superstar? 150-200k a year on a back ended contract that will go up as his skill set goes up.

450k would have to be a record for an 18 year old