Mayer Threatens to turn Tigpies into the Roosters

[Vic Mackey]

Tigers have not given a cent to Seve's junior club.

They did to his school, who did more for his development then anyone else.

 

[gronkathon]

Question:

And i know it's very unlikey, but what IF club's like the Tigers follow through with their threats and stop pumping money into junior football?

What happens to RL if this happens?
Maybe something for the NRL to consider.

Exactly.

The point is to get the NRL focussed on it.

Who gives a shit what fans of any club think about it.

We finally have a CEO worthy of the position and he is doing what any good CEO should, promoting the Wests Tigers cause

 

[juanfarkall]

They did to his school, who did more for his development then anyone else.

Really ?
So prior to Year 8 at high school, he had never played Rugby League and won the scholarship in a raffle ?

 

[Perth Red]

The point is though not spending money on jnrs does not give you more salary cap to spend on signing other players! If you stopped spending on jnrs it doesn't enhance your clubs ability to sign from other clubs!

Many would argue it is not the job of NRL clubs to develop jns, beyond elite programmes at u 16's and u18's andit is the job of the nswrl and NRL to ensure grass root football is strong plus the pokie dens clubs whose existence is supposed to be for amateur sport development.

In terms of benefits it is arguable but you would hope some players would have more loyalty to their club system that brought them up and therefore more likely to remain if two offers the same are presented.

 

[ek999]

Its pretty obvious mayer is talking about the dogs and not the roosters.
Looking at the roosters team for this week theres only about 5 players that come from other clubs unlike the sharks and dogs whose teams are full of them.
The tigers are paying the price for having shit coaches and retention. i didnt hear many complaints when the were releasing all their juniors, and lets face it the one's that left were mostly shit anyway.
No clubs will be able to complete with the like of saints(who have all the sth coast), newcastle,Brisbane and Penrith. Even the panthers have realised you can't just rely on juniors and have bought up big lately. Get with the times,it's a professional league.
While most clubs will go out and buy 1 or 2 big players what the dogs have done over the last few yrs has blown everyone out of the water and like everyone else i can't believe a club could buy that many players.

Bulldogs have signed so many players in the last few years because of the high paid players they lost.

2007: Mason, O'Meley and Sherwin
2008: Maitua, Tonga, SBW
2009: El Masri
2010: Ryan, Patten and Kimmmorley
2011: Hannant and Idris
2012: Goodwin, Stagg
2013: Turner, Barba and Halatau

Other like Utai, Roberts Hughes etc that were just below mid level players were also lost. In that time we brought through Idris, Barba, Reynolds, Lafai (was at Tigers in U20's first), Jackson, Finucane, Klemmer, Taupau (ironically signed by the Tigers who are wanting concessions for developing juniors), Kasiano, Burr. Let's not forget other juniors like Sezer we were unable to keep because other clubs offers blew us out of the water

 

[Noa]

Can someone against Mayer's points answer me this.

Why should the Tigers, Warriors, Broncos, Raiders and all other clubs with good junior bases spend A DIME on junior development when there is almost no benefit to them in doing so? They will just have to pay market price in any case for those players when they are seen by other clubs.

It's not about having a winge, it's just saying. Hey, there's no point in us investing in juniors so unless you give us a reason to we'll stop doing it and just buy players off the market.

To that Id say why should any club get specail treament because they happen to be in the middle of a large catchment area. Its not the Roosters fault they have little junior participation and its little to do with the Eels or Penrith why they have a large junior participation.

Any money spent by clubs in junior areas should be considered an altruistic community service. The benefit they receive is getting first shot at any talent that comes through. An if they continually keep whiffing, they have no-one to blame but themselves.

 

[betcats]

The point is though not spending money on jnrs does not give you more salary cap to spend on signing other players! If you stopped spending on jnrs it doesn't enhance your clubs ability to sign from other clubs!
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It would save a broke club some money though.

Silly from Mayer but Ican see where he is coming from.

 

[Eddie Lab]

To that Id say why should any club get specail treament because they happen to be in the middle of a large catchment area. Its not the Roosters fault they have little junior participation and its little to do with the Eels or Penrith why they have a large junior participation.

Any money spent by clubs in junior areas should be considered an altruistic community service. The benefit they receive is getting first shot at any talent that comes through. An if they continually keep whiffing, they have no-one to blame but themselves.

that is insanely short sighted thinking. the Roosters can't adopt an area or town to develop league talent? they won't go out and do community service as you put it?

following that logic what happens when all the teams get on board with the Roosters/Bulldogs way of thinking? who will the Roosters/Bulldogs sign if all the teams stop doing the community service?

 

[BranVan3000]

Can someone against Mayer's points answer me this.

Why should the Tigers, Warriors, Broncos, Raiders and all other clubs with good junior bases spend A DIME on junior development when there is almost no benefit to them in doing so? They will just have to pay market price in any case for those players when they are seen by other clubs.

It's not about having a winge, it's just saying. Hey, there's no point in us investing in juniors so unless you give us a reason to we'll stop doing it and just buy players off the market.

Because it gives you the prime opportunity to develop and keep the best juniors from your area for yourself. But you also need good salary cap management and fundamentally need to be as attractive a place as possible for these players. Tigers here seem to thing grassroots development gives them a reason to not be as competitive on the NRL level.

Ultimately though they are dealing with adults making monetary and career decisions. Not "our kids" as Mayer puts it. Tigers will get to keep the majority of their juniors, but there will always be some who slip through the cracks like Tedesco might. Its part of being in a competitive business environment.

 

[dogslife]

Should the Broncos get concessions for any player that comes out of the southern half of Qld?

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Cronulla chairman Damian Keogh has accused Canterbury of inflating the player market and called for changes to the NRL transfer system after losing Andrew Fifita and Michael Lichaa to the Bulldogs on respective deals worth $850,000 and $350,000 a season.
With Manly coach Geoff Toovey also hitting out over their attempts to lure Sea Eagles fullback Peta Hiku, the Bulldogs are coming under attack from rival clubs and Keogh said they had already driven up the cost of players.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ks-chairman-20140320-hvkwi.html#ixzz2wVOPoeCk​

Whats the cap going too, $6 million.

Those figures alone, $1.2 million for them 2 alone.

Add in $400k(conservative) for Graham and $550k for Morris.

$350k for klemmer, $650k for Trex

= $3.15 million for 6 players.

The other 19 players must be pretty filthy

 

[betcats]

Should the Broncos get concessions for any player that comes out of the southern half of Qld?

No.

The concessions should be for kids coming who came through your clubs harold matts and SG ball teams imo.

 

[BranVan3000]

If Tigers want to stop grassroots development I am positive Souths Juniors or Panthers or Parra or even the Roosters will be happy to take over those areas and build grassroots links in Tigers areas

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Here's an idea Grant.

Make sure you pay the coin to resign your best juniors and you won't have any issues. You can't keep them all.

Long and the short of it.

Ridiculous idea to even talk about compensation.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

If Tigers want to stop grassroots development I am positive Souths Juniors or Panthers or Parra or even the Roosters will be happy to take over those areas and build grassroots links in Tigers areas

Ah... And by the same token if a system was put in place to encourage the Tigers and other clubs to also devote resources to juniors the other clubs would pass up on it? Riiiiight....

 

[morley101]

It won't take long for other clubs to pick the eyes out of the Bulldogs
best young players...

Des only wants a strong 1st grade squad, he doesn't care about being
a strong "club". He doesn't want to win reserve grade premierships....

 

[Sunshine Coast Tiger]

I understand were Grant Mayer is coming from; clubs don’t get rewarded enough for developing junior talent. I think developing junior players is more important to the game as a whole than having a marquee player allowance.

I think the NRL is unique in word sport where it has a salary cap but does not have a draft system. The clubs also develop their own juniors. Most sports with a salary cap have the junior development done by others eg College system in USA supplies players for NFL and NBA (also high schools in this case) draft, in AFL areas are broken into districts or states administrated by the central body and these districts under 18s teams supply players to the draft.

Yes in the NRL some areas produce better juniors than others but in many cases this is because these areas junior leagues are well run and relatively well funded.
As it appears there will never be a draft in the NRL, I propose that each NRL club should be able to nominate 1-3 elite under 18 players each year (figure to be decided by the NRL committee). These designated elite players are semi protected to their club until there 23rd birthday. That is their current club should be able to give them a 5 year contract when they are 18 which is at a fair level and includes incentives. This contract for these designated players should go into the Salary Cap at 80% of the contract value. These means that no club should be in a position to lose these players.
If a club wanted to poach another clubs elite player and he wanted to move before they were 23 then the contract of that player should be put in at an inflated price in the poaching clubs salary cap. For example if the dogs pay the young sharks #9 $350K to move it should be counted at $700K under the dogs cap. This would limit the poaching of other clubs elite juniors. I realise that the Broncos, Cowboys, Titians and Warriors don’t have a under 18 side but they can still nominate the 1-3 under 18 players from their junior area each year.
The above is just a quick thought on how a club can benefit from producing good local talent. I have watched rugby league for 30 plus years and for me it is the greatest game in the world. Part of this is although there are rich clubs and poor clubs no club dominates year after year like what happens in the EPL (were most years before a ball has been kicked only 3 teams have a chance of winning the title). I would hate the NRL to become a competition were the same 2-4 teams win the title every year.

 

[TheVelourFog]

Simple solution: transfer fees. You poach a player developed by another club, you pay the club compensation.

Yep. Using an example from soccer, if a player is under 25(?) and off contract, the signing club still has to pay compensation.

 

[magpie4ever]

Our SG Ball side is running second. In the last 5 years we have consistently finished top 4. Our Harold Matts team drew with Penrith last week and most of those players are born and bred in the eastern suburbs.

That is just so wrong. The vast majority of junior rep players in your HM and SG Ball teams are imported.

 

[Chook]

Everyone wants to be the Roosters.

Chook.