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Mayer Threatens to turn Tigpies into the Roosters

Doomednow

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This thread is basically junior developing clubs vs non-junior developing clubs. We can spin it any way we like but at the end of the day these clubs that invest in development are propping up the quality of talent in the NRL out of their own pocket. They deserve something for that.
 

Delboy

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PRaamatta spend for instance over $1 million on their junior league, as does the Riff.

I understand the comment about can't keep,them all, trouble is the good ones are picked off by other clubs with big $$ as those that develop them through their system try and balance the squads, the only reason they want to be at the Rorters is often chi book and brown paper bags :)

I wish my Eels had an Uncle Nick
 

ek999

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Yet the Bulldogs who are accused of not developing talent have since 2009 won Harold Matts twice (2009 and 2011), SG Ball once (2009) and finished in the top 8 every year of the NYC since it started except 2009 including 2012 minor premiership and 2 top 4 finishes
 

Tommy Smith

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Why hasn't Tedesco already been tied up long term?

Clearly the Tigers are incompetent.

And that's not the Bulldogs fault.

So rather than seeking pity how about you improve your governance and cap management so you can keep your best juniors.

But somebody already brought up the best point, who of those 24 players that are Tigers juniors did you want to keep?
 

Edwahu

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Maybe link a cap concession to the amount invested in junior development? E.g if a club spends X amount on junior development programs outside of their own NYC/Ball/Matts programs then they get 20% as a first grade cap concession.

Numbers might have to be tweaked and capped for the poorer clubs and clubs might need to accept teams from out of their area investing on their turf, but at least you would get some real grass roots investment.
 
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El Diablo

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Yet the Bulldogs who are accused of not developing talent have since 2009 won Harold Matts twice (2009 and 2011), SG Ball once (2009) and finished in the top 8 every year of the NYC since it started except 2009 including 2012 minor premiership and 2 top 4 finishes

but where were these players recruited from?
 

eozsmiles

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Compo for losing players is too complex to even think about, or it will be chronically unfair.

Most people would say that a player in u/20's, or anyone that hasn't played 1st grade, is undeveloped. So in theory you can't be compensated for reserve graders. But of course they might improve over the next 3 years and change clubs again.....so who gets the credit? The original club that only had him good enough to play 20's, or the club that brought him into 1st grade?

I'm thinking a player like Hoppa could get you some compo but how much? He was an origin player but he can't win you a comp by himself. Poaching a player who ends up as good as Cam Smith should worth ten times as much because you can build the whole club around him. A player like Lichaa (spelling) is worthless compared to the other two, but he is a key player in this debate so the fans/CEO's must think he is worth something.

Hoppa would be worth 5 times what Lichaa is, and Smith would be worth 10 times Hoppa. But nobody knows how good they are going to be anyway, so are they paying compo on - what they are buying or what they end up as? They usually buy reggies, so the compo is going to hardly worth the paperwork.
 

Chook

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PRaamatta spend for instance over $1 million on their junior league, as does the Riff.

I understand the comment about can't keep,them all, trouble is the good ones are picked off by other clubs with big $$ as those that develop them through their system try and balance the squads, the only reason they want to be at the Rorters is often chi book and brown paper bags :)

I wish my Eels had an Uncle Nick

Daniel Tupou was unwanted at the Eels and launguished in the lower grades till Peter O'Sullivan spotted him and recruited him.

Not only can you idiots not keep the good ones, you can't even spot em. Don't blame us cause your club is geniused.

Chook.
 

TheDalek079

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Tigers gladly gave away the likes of Fifita, even offering to pay part of his contract. Why should they then get compensation for him?
 

Perth Red

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There is nothing in NRL club contracts that says they have to invest in jnr programmes beyond U20's. If they do is their choice. The vast majority of jnr Rl is funded by pokie palaces anyway and I still contest it is the ARLC and NSWRL/QRL/WARL/VRl etc job to fund and manage the structure of jnr RL alongside womens RL and amateur mens RL.
 
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PRaamatta spend for instance over $1 million on their junior league, as does the Riff.

I understand the comment about can't keep,them all, trouble is the good ones are picked off by other clubs with big $$ as those that develop them through their system try and balance the squads, the only reason they want to be at the Rorters is often chi book and brown paper bags :)

I wish my Eels had an Uncle Nick

You probably should wish that your eels has some decent talent scout instead then you wouldn't be left with so many duds.

Parramatta cut Daniel Tupou and signed Cheyse Blair, they both swapped clubs. One played and won in an NRL grand final and the other got dumped and is now at another club.

Penrith have an endless supply of juniors but have been one of the busiest teams in signing players.

Wests PAID Cronulla to take Fifita while signing one of the most expensive duds of all time.

It's no one else's fault that the three big teams in Sydney in terms of juniors can't spot their own talent for shit and it's not Easts or Canterbury's fault that all three are poorly run and get themselves in to much publicised salary cap trouble.
 
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Then re-align the junior boundaries and make it even then. You can't hoarde the juniors, claim compensation then get upset when teams with smaller junior districts go searching for talent.
 
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Where the boundary used to run.

Why should Easts put any effort in to the juniors when they've already had their district stolen from them?
 

magpie4ever

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As it was prior to the 1954 re-distribution of boundries by the then heavily Souffs laden board of the NSWRL.

Chook.

Ok, so for those of us who don't know the hatred and infighting between Easts and Souths, what are the suburbs and junior rl clubs involved?
 
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Wests Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer warned the NRL that unless his club received compensation in the future for the juniors they developed but were signed elsewhere he'd forgo grassroots development and join the code's ranks of "cheque-book" administrators and buy a team.
Mayer expressed his frustration as speculation suggested Canterbury were vying to recruit off-contract boom fullback James Tedesco, one of eight local products named in the Wests Tigers' 17 for Friday's match against Souths.
His resolve for "something" to be done was galvanised by the statistic that showed an NRL team's roster worth of Wests Tigers juniors were playing first grade in rival colours. Mayer revealed he'd expressed his concern to the NRL and that he enjoyed the support of St George Illawarra and Canberra, two other clubs in a similar situation.
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"We're shouting [the need for a club to be compensated for developing a junior who signs with another club] from the rooftops," Mayer told Fairfax Media.
"We have 24 players currently playing for other clubs and what do we get for that? Nothing. We're going to push very hard; reward the clubs that develop [their own] or we're out. We'll stop developing club players and become a cheque-book club. It's a very clear threat, too. It's a joke that we continue to develop players for other clubs and we get no reward for it.
''I've spoken to Canberra and St George Illawarra about it and we're very keen to walk in to the NRL as a group of clubs and say, 'It's not good enough that we're bring penalised for developing players when we lose them'."
Mayer said junior players underpinned the Wests Tigers sides. He said the latest step of the club's bred-not-bought focus was retaining Tedesco [a Camden junior], David Nofoaluma [Campbelltown] and Curtis Sironen [Dundas/North Ryde].
"You can look at what we have done since I started ? we retained Aaron Woods, Luke Brooks, Mitchell Moses,Tim Simona," he said. "We retained guys like Manaia Cherrington and Delouise Hoeter at a younger level. We're ticking one box at a time; then you have guys like Robbie Farah and Chris Lawrence etcetera etcetera still there ... there's a few missing parts of the puzzle, David Nofoaluma, James Tedesco, [Sironen]. If we do that we have the core for our future and we're very open about that."
"Sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some ... the way negotiations go. I realise that we've made mistakes but Tedesco, Nofoaluma and Sironen, they're our kids yet we're competing to keep them and it doesn't seem right."
Tedesco, 21, indicated earlier in the week that there were a number of issues that tied him to the Wests Tigers.
"This is my junior club; coming through the ranks, [I've] got a lot of good mates here I grew up with," he said. "We'll just see what happens."
Mayer said he understood clubs would always fight for a talent such as Tedesco, but he said it ought to be a concern it was always the same teams mentioned in speculation.
"It doesn't worry me that it was speculated Canterbury are chasing him; that's competition," he said. "At the end of the day I've been very happy to hear James has said himself he wants to stay. He's been very clear he wants to stay with his mates and that's great, I'm very excited about that. The kid has an opportunity to make the most of his career we are in negotiations right now, we're very hopeful and we'd like to think he wants to stay at the Tigers.
''But it's amusing to me how many clubs are constantly named for chasing another club's talent. It bemuses me as to how they do it, but clearly they have a plan themselves. You can't judge them, all I can do is allow the court of public opinion to judge them ? and I'm sure they are."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...book-rivals-20140320-hvktz.html#ixzz2wVDEyqOB

The club quoted is Canterbury why do you have Roosters in the title?
 
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