Melbourne must still be cheating the cap

[bottle]

^^ A completely irrelevant point, and one that is often pushed by the unrepentant Storm fans among us (ie tools like Butters). It matters not that they didn't actively poach players from other clubs, when the simple fact remains that they kept their star players "off the market" by paying them illegally while other clubs were forced to watch players go to rival clubs due to salary cap constraints.

This, plus Betcats following post. Denied others the opportunity to compete for that talent whilst every non cheating club had to surrender and sacrifice theirs to comply with the rules. If other clubs engaged in what the Cheats did maybe their roster wouldn't have been so dominant.
Oh and kudos to thorson1987 for providing the view that actually seems to be the majority view amongst the Storm fans I've encountered on here.

 

[brooksy19]

Exactly, Cam Smith, GI, Slater, Cronk etc could very well of went to another club if the Storm were not to pay them all more by cheating the cap.

Your deluded if you think the Storm would of kept them all and had the same level of success.

They may well of still won maybe one of those premierships..We'll never know, because they cheated themselves, the game, other clubs and their fans.

An just on this year, I still think to a degree that their fielding an illegally formed squad (much like the Bulldogs in 03/04).

This next point is probably wrong, but a personal opinion no less.

- The entire roster should of been put into a draft, where the Storm choose one player first (whom they'd have to pay the same as they had them contracted) and the remaining teams got (based on ranking at end of 2010 (15th to 1st) would than have the option to pickup the player or pass on their selection.

Probably wouldn't of worked, with restraint of trade bullshit.

 

[gerg]

Exactly, Cam Smith, GI, Slater, Cronk etc could very well of went to another club if the Storm were not to pay them all more by cheating the cap.

Your deluded if you think the Storm would of kept them all and had the same level of success.

They may well of still won maybe one of those premierships..We'll never know, because they cheated themselves, the game, other clubs and their fans.

An just on this year, I still think to a degree that their fielding an illegally formed squad (much like the Bulldogs in 03/04).

This next point is probably wrong, but a personal opinion no less.

- The entire roster should of been put into a draft, where the Storm choose one player first (whom they'd have to pay the same as they had them contracted) and the remaining teams got (based on ranking at end of 2010 (15th to 1st) would than have the option to pickup the player or pass on their selection.

Probably wouldn't of worked, with restraint of trade bullshit.

Totally agree. IMO for a team that cheated they really need to hit rock bottom on the field for them to be redeemed in my eyes.

On your last point 'restraint of trade' weren't other clubs restrained because they couldn't match the buying power of the Storm during those years? I know Ryan Hinchcliffe was offered almost double what the Raiders offered when he move to the Storm.

 

[Hutty1986]

^^ A completely irrelevant point, and one that is often pushed by the unrepentant Storm fans among us (ie tools like Butters). It matters not that they didn't actively poach players from other clubs, when the simple fact remains that they kept their star players "off the market" by paying them illegally while other clubs were forced to watch players go to rival clubs due to salary cap constraints.

His carer needs to put him out of his misery I think

 

[POPEYE]

You're all taking it for granted that the players in question would have left the club if their salary wasn't increased. Lockyer didn't. Fittler knocked back big offers. Gasnier was dubious.

You're also taking it for granted that the key Storm players are still not going to get paid under the table. Just because one useless dodger can't run a club secretly doesn't mean others can't.

Maybe Billy, Cam and Cooper might wander into the Casino one day when their careers end and have a great day at the tables.

 

[kiwiperth]

You're all taking it for granted that the players in question would have left the club if their salary wasn't increased. Lockyer didn't. Fittler knocked back big offers. Gasnier was dubious.

You're also taking it for granted that the key Storm players are still not going to get paid under the table. Just because one useless dodger can't run a club secretly doesn't mean others can't.

Maybe Billy, Cam and Cooper might wander into the Casino one day when their careers end and have a great day at the tables.

In some ways its a shame that melbourne did cheat....... Cause its no doubt that they would have had a great shot at a dynasty even if they had of let the hoffmans and inglis's go (as you can see this season)

Im not a Melbourne supporter at all, but you have to appreciate how good Bellamy is at turning youngsters/journeyman/nobodys into genuine nrl players.

But melbourne did cheat, and therefore you pay the consequences.

The 13th Commandment is "Thou shalt not get caught"

 

[RockWheel]

What are the 11th and 12th?

 

[POPEYE]

23000 spectators with AFL across the road and a great win finally against a club that put in a good effort.

No-one down there gives a tuppenny f**k what anyone thinks of their club. Can't be any worse than Manly in the good old days when they decimated other clubs to get a premiership.

Know which team I think was evil compared to another's fighting for what they harvested.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

23000 spectators with AFL across the road and a great win finally against a club that put in a good effort.

No-one down there gives a tuppenny f**k what anyone thinks of their club. Can't be any worse than Manly in the good old days when they decimated other clubs to get a premiership.

Know which team I think was evil compared to another's fighting for what they harvested.

Translation: I'm a Melbourne fan until the next bandwagon comes along.

 

[Evenflow]

No-one down there gives a tuppenny f**k what anyone thinks of their club.

This.

 

[Eelectrica]

If anything Storm fans should be even more pissed off with there previous management. All they've shown this year is by playing by the same rules as every other team they'd still be a force.

 

[POPEYE]

Translation: I'm a Melbourne fan until the next bandwagon comes along.

You're not waiting for me to throw a rope over a tree limb are you?

I've already told you I have several Storm jerseys including the one I bought in 1997 before their first season had started. I also told you I bought them because I wanted to contribute in some way to the expansion of the game.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

You're all taking it for granted that the players in question would have left the club if their salary wasn't increased. Lockyer didn't. Fittler knocked back big offers. Gasnier was dubious.

You're also taking it for granted that the key Storm players are still not going to get paid under the table. Just because one useless dodger can't run a club secretly doesn't mean others can't.

Maybe Billy, Cam and Cooper might wander into the Casino one day when their careers end and have a great day at the tables.

And again, completely irrelevant speculation.

 

[POPEYE]

And again, completely irrelevant speculation.

Agreed. All speculation is irrelevant until you know the facts . . . especially the ones that are well hidden

 

[AlwaysGreen]

You're not waiting for me to throw a rope over a tree limb are you?

I've already told you I have several Storm jerseys including the one I bought in 1997 before their first season had started. I also told you I bought them because I wanted to contribute in some way to the expansion of the game.

Stop ignoring me.

 

[stormbati]

If we win this year, I think I'll cry, seriously, I think I would.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Agreed. All speculation is irrelevant until you know the facts . . . especially the ones that are well hidden

I've already outlined the facts. You seem to be content ignoring them.

 

[POPEYE]

I've already outlined the facts. You seem to be content ignoring them.

Facts aren't always as glamorous as you make out. The Dragons are yet to win a 'premiership' when the Storm were eligible. Worth about as much credence as stripping them of their premierships.

If the video ref had of been in existence since 1980 there would have been record books unrecognisable to those of today.

If the salary cap had of been around for the same time nowhere near as much effect would have been inflicted on the records because few managements have been as ignorant in their paperwork as that of Melbourne.

All that aside I'll give you some real facts. Very few supporters would bother remembering who won which 'grand final' unless it was their team and only the same would give a shit.

Every Melbourne supporter has no problem recognising their team won what they did on the field and justifying how they did it, no matter who rants and raves about it.

The Melbourne Storm won because they were the best team in the same way that Parramatta, Brisbane, Manly, Canberra and the Dogs did when at their best . . . they had the better players.

 

[Butters]

Well this past round has clearly shown Melbourne to be well and truly the dominant team of the competition. 2nd placed Manly struggled to beat now 9th placed Penrith, 3rd placed St Merge lost to 14th placed Canberra and 4th placed Brisbane were embarassed by the greatest rugby league team to play the game.

Not only did the past round show the Melbourne Storm to be the clear benchmark for the rest of the NRL it also showed that no other teams are anywhere close to beating them.

Deal with it.

 

[Hutty1986]

Facts aren't always as glamorous as you make out. The Dragons are yet to win a 'premiership' when the Storm were eligible. Worth about as much credence as stripping them of their premierships.

If the video ref had of been in existence since 1980 there would have been record books unrecognisable to those of today.

If the salary cap had of been around for the same time nowhere near as much effect would have been inflicted on the records because few managements have been as ignorant in their paperwork as that of Melbourne.

All that aside I'll give you some real facts. Very few supporters would bother remembering who won which 'grand final' unless it was their team and only the same would give a shit.

Every Melbourne supporter has no problem recognising their team won what they did on the field and justifying how they did it, no matter who rants and raves about it.

The Melbourne Storm won because they were the best team in the same way that Parramatta, Brisbane, Manly, Canberra and the Dogs did when at their best . . . they had the better players.

My god you're a f*cking stupid old man. There's nothing remotely 'illegitimate' or 'unworthy' about the Dragons premiership last year champ, the only people who think so are ignoring reality, e.g Butters.
You need to up your meds, your nurse obviously isn't doing their job properly.