New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pneuma]

That's a fair point.

My stance is our game is holding itself back by having more than 50% of its team in the one market. We'll be lucky to get an 18th team within the next 5 years. After that we probably won't get any more teams. I do think it's inevitable that pokies will be taxed more heavily and limitations will be placed on how often people can play them and the amount that can be in a licenced venue. When that happens some Sydney clubs will be in major trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if the the reason the clubs are demanding $5m on top of the salary cap is because they can see the writing on the wall.

The drugs are kicking in

 

[Colk]

Just because they charge more doesn't mean they'll spend it on the NRL. They'll pay no more than the bare minimum because there's no competition.

Exactly. Monopolies don’t generally hand out money when they don’t have to.

 

[Pippen94]

What would a Perth-based team need to bring to the table to be viable?

If we're going by the Gemba Report then they would need to generate $8-10 million from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership.

Do you think the club can generate that sort of revenue?

I have no idea. Gws after a decade in Sydney which is the most lucrative market in our region, need to be propped up by afl.
If redcliffe is anything to go by NRL are looking for somebody with external wealth to keep club going through all times

 

[Pippen94]

Exactly. Monopolies don’t generally hand out money when they don’t have to.

Spending millions on gws makes sense cause eventually you hope to increase presence in top market. Is it worth propping up team in Perth which is far less lucrative in business but also junior development?!

 

[Perth Red]

What would a Perth-based team need to bring to the table to be viable?

If we're going by the Gemba Report then they would need to generate $8-10 million from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership.

Do you think the club can generate that sort of revenue?

Ideally any new club that doesn’t have pokies will be looking at $8-10mill corporate revenue and $5-7 mill fan based revenue. With the nrl grant of $17-18mill that gives an operating budget of $30-35mill a year. More than enough to run the club properly and make a profit.

 

[Wb1234]

TikTok - Make Your Day

How’s goods this ? Kiwi league crowds always are jovial

 

[Iamback]

Where would a Wellington team play? Is there a decent stadium to use?
I cant see Christchurch being big enough to host an NRL club despite the lovely stadium they are building, and the idea of a nomadic team moving around two islands seems fanciful at best.

The A League team plays out of the far too big for their sport one

 

[Perth Red]

I have no idea. Gws after a decade in Sydney which is the most lucrative market in our region, need to be propped up by afl.
If redcliffe is anything to go by NRL are looking for somebody with external wealth to keep club going through all times

Afl is happy to invest in growth as should the nrl be. Gws operated on a revenue of $46mill in 2021, more than any sydney nrl club. $24mill was from afl grant and $22mil was fc operation Revenue.

fortunately nrl clubs are cheaper to run, and Perth and hopefully nz2 have a much bigger intial fanbase than gws.

 

[Iamback]

I have no idea. Gws after a decade in Sydney which is the most lucrative market in our region, need to be propped up by afl.
If redcliffe is anything to go by NRL are looking for somebody with external wealth to keep club going through all times

Which is the way it should be done

 

[Dark Corner]

TikTok - Make Your Day

How’s goods this ? Kiwi league crowds always are jovial

When was that ?

 

[Wb1234]

When was that ?

Today

 

[Dark Corner]

Today

Yes just seen highlights looked a great game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I have no idea. Gws after a decade in Sydney which is the most lucrative market in our region, need to be propped up by afl.
If redcliffe is anything to go by NRL are looking for somebody with external wealth to keep club going through all times

I wouldn't be surprised if V'landys went with Firehawks for the 18th licence due to them being "safe".

I think a Perth team could generate $8-10 million per annum from Cummins, Puddy and Sage. It's a very wealthy city and there's limited advertising opportunities with the Dockers and Eagles. The Pirates provide a great vehicle for Western Australian companies to get their products seen in Brisbane and Sydney. I also think the Pirates' inclusion will entice more national companies to sponsor the existing clubs.

The reason the nine Sydney clubs struggle to draw sponsorship revenue is because they're competing with one another over a limited resource. I'd rather see the number of clubs reduced to five or six so they can have an opportunity to close the gap between them and the Cowboys / Broncos.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

No, But Christchurch currently has a Stadium thats stands are scaffolding and wellington has a stadium that WIll only allow the lights on for another 3 or 4 times a year. In this instance Stadiums ARE important.

I don’t think Christchurch is a big issue- any team would be using the current stadium for a year or two at best before the new one is ready, and the temporary one looks good on TV at least. If it was an ongoing thing, it’d be a different story.

Wellington absolutely is an issue though. The two hour time difference means every potential time slot needs lighting. It’s a major problem that isn’t easily solved.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Just because they charge more doesn't mean they'll spend it on the NRL. They'll pay no more than the bare minimum because there's no competition.

The fact that you're on a mission to abolish Sydney clubs, destroy people Rugby League clubs, destroy hundreds of thousands of fans passion and love , their past times where they takes their families and cheer on with their sons and daughters. Destroy over a hundred years of history, great players and stories throughout those years and disregard their contribution.

You want the destruction of our game, our fans and our history!
You are a vile piece of shit.
You are anti Rugby League.
I'll never again read one of your stupid posts.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Silly that ppl would argue about stadiums as reason not to go to nz. Lots of venues there

Ok, name some.

Reality is there are only three cities in NZ that are semi viable prospects for NRL and one already has a team.

 

[Te Kaha]

You know Sky having no competition means that they can and are ..charging more for their services....
Which actually means they have more they can afford to spend.

So a company, due to having no competition, will spend more on content instead of giving the extra profit to shareholders???? Just how badly did you fail economics? and reality...

I don’t think Christchurch is a big issue- any team would be using the current stadium for a year or two at best before the new one is ready, and the temporary one looks good on TV at least. If it was an ongoing thing, it’d be a different story.

Wellington absolutely is an issue though. The two hour time difference means every potential time slot needs lighting. It’s a major problem that isn’t easily solved.

How will the other bidders react to a bid being accepted when one of the criteria, an adequate stadium, isn't met when they meet all of theirs?
I thought the Wellington problem was going to be solved when the Phoenix looked like going under. Unfortunately they are well set and funded now.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

How will the other bidders react to a bid being accepted when one of the criteria, an adequate stadium, isn't met when they meet all of theirs?
I thought the Wellington problem was going to be solved when the Phoenix looked like going under. Unfortunately they are well set and funded now.

I don’t think what other bidders think matters at all, what are they going to do about it bar complain? Fact is Christchurch is getting a new state of the art stadium. Any complaint about using the temporary one for a year or two would be ignored.
I don’t really see an 18th team coming in before 2026 anyway.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

There seems to be this argument going around that you either have to kill Sydney teams to go to new markets (which is not very smart and not going to happen anyway ) or that for some reason the game can’t expand anywhere outside NSW/QLD (which is myopic). Just plan Perth/NZ 2 within the next decade (in whatever order you want) and then decide what you want to do with the 20th team when you get to that point.

A 20-team comp with no system of promotion/relegation carries significant risk.

The EPL has 20 teams. The fans of many of those know full well before a ball is kicked that they won't be anywhere near the top of the table. Finishing in 17th (i.e. just above the relegation zone) represents a successful season. All their games are important. There's consequently huge interest and the stadia are packed out.

Australian RL media and fans have an entirely different value system to judge whether a game is meaningful. Over the course of a season, a 20 team comp will provide fewer games which meet the criteria for meaningful than a 16 team comp. This will have implications for underperforming clubs and NRL popularity overall.

Aussie fans of any sport do not think they've had a good year when their team is 13th on the ladder of a 16 team comp. They will be even more unhappy, and potentially disengaged, if their team is 17th in a 20-team comp. And the media will hammer home the miserable message. All this will mean more NRL fans with a face like Phil Gould.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Pretty sure foxtel know how to count the numbers of their viewers on kayo

I'm sure of that too. And the numbers for streaming on Kayo are rising.

That does not mean that the grand total of "ratings" is growing, as was claimed.